Bro JoeRaj post this, let's start from here.........
I think post here better than next door. Everything also edit.
Certain ppl can do certain things but others cannot. Become like LV
forum or personal forum.
This thread is a classic example why I have stayed away. It seems
this forum has changed. Every thing also edit, everything also
close thread, but if certain ppl do or say some things can one.
This goes to both Poolman and Ang, as moderators. Is this LV forum,
a Poolman forum or is it an sgforum?
We are all adults here, like what RBS said forum is to exchange
idea and opinion not to encourage havoc. But it seems some ppl can
encourage havoc and post certain things but others can't.
Pls la we are all adults here, not just young adults but some of us
are already in our 40s and 50s, maybe even 60s. Adults can and
should speak their mind, even if it upsets 1 or 2 ppl, so be it,
provided the person giving is prepared to receive. As long it
doesn't insult a race, religion or encourage hate and violence, it
should be fair game.
As adults we can judge whether what 1 says got lieu or not. A forum
should be left untouched as much as possible, not just in support
of some people or groups who can say what they like, but when they
get answered back, the thread is quickly edited or closed.
Remember when you left this forum because of Fireice's constant
meddling? It seems that now the very things that you didn't like
her doing, you and Ang are doing. Just because she doesn't come and
intervene anymore, desn't mean you have a license to post
inflammatory things, which she definitely would have intervened for
in the past.
If she had her way, this thread would have been closed long time
ago. In fact if somebody else posted a thread like this, I think
you or Ang would have closed it, very quickly. Why the double
standards? Think about it.
This what I posted? Was I stirring or just stating my own opinion?
Do I have right to offer my opinion on a public forum?
If Poolman think I stirring by all means reply to my post and rebut
me, but don't edit anyhow and treat like a fool or small kid.
People who don't know the law or how things work, pl la don't
anyhow talk cock and link unrelated things to the matter at
hand.
Just because a cabby is assaulted, and say the police can't or
don't do anything. Do you think can carry baseball bat and use that
to hammer people? Go and try la, next time somebody assault you or
your friend and you use a weapon and claim self defense.
Just because justice is slow to catch up for your case, can you
take the law into your own hands?
And then the talk cock story abt ang mo woman knocking down a
Korean and her child which resulted in death and the ang mo was
found not guilty, what has that got to do with BJ case? What has
that got to do with justice or miscarriage of justice? And the
judge go down to the scene some more means the judge is trying to
help an an Ang Moh and won't do the same for Singaporeans?
Did you read the full facts of the case or just the newspapers abt
it? Pls la, this is like a child's argument. Perhaps the defense
lawyer raised the issue and asked the judge to go down? Or the
judge used his own initiative, which is good isn't it?
I once attended a fatal accident, a rich local student studying
Australia knocked down and killed a Bangla in Seranggon Road. He
also act yaya a bit and can't remember whether he got drink or not,
I think he did. Anyway he claim Bangla dash across and he couldn't
stop. I arrested him and told him, I will make sure he pays for
it.
Then sometime later TP IO called me up. We had a friendly chat
because fellow officers, but he said he cannot prove the driver's
version is wrong. No independent witness came forward and the facts
seem to indicate the bangla did dash suddenly without looking. Even
the drink driving couldnt prove because % was too low for it. He
could only summon the driver for careless driving at best.
So does this prove the law is fucked up? Is the law favouring the
rich guy? Of course not, the law is fair to everyone. It's up to
the police and prosecution to prove their case without reasonable
doubt. The defense only has show that there is such doubt.
Maybe the Ang Mor woman was right, it was dark and at a corner ( I
remember that case and the location). Maybe she really never see as
it was dark the korean child unfortunately stood on the road. It's
up to the prosecution to prove otherwise and they couldn't and she
got away. Is this an injustice? No it was an accident, not that the
Ang Mor woman was looking to hit and kill somebody.
But to our Poolman this is injustice and shows the poor standard of
the law, that it only sides with foreigners. Pls la, you tell this
to some 10-12 year old they will believe but some of us can
think.
Ya we know this happened to your friend and you're upset and
sympathetic, fair enough, who wouldn't if it happened to us. If my
friend kena bashed up, I also would be angry and demand justice or
some of form of payback, but the law is the law.
The police can only operate under the Law. Assault with fists is a
non-seizable offence, it is passed by Parliament (in fact this is
part of the laws the British gave to us which we still use). It
isn't the first time and unfortunately won't be the last time it
happens.
But you go spouting rubbish etc etc, did you do the same when it
happened to other cabbies? Plus I think BJ driving comfort, if this
happened to another CDG driver unknown to you, would you be making
such comments in support?
Yes you do a good job helping newbies and sharing experience, but
everything has a 2 way street. You're not a master taxi driver and
when some of the things you say is wrong, be a man and admit it.
Just because newbies etc praise you don't make you invincible.
Yes many have benefitted from you and your help is genuine, that is
good and you deserve praise for it, but you also gotta let things
happen and some newbies learn the hard way or somethings for
themselves. This is what is called expereince and it's the best
teacher still.
As you grow older and hopefully wiser learn to understand how
things work here, and accept certain things the way it is, not go
round making wild claims how powerful the forum is or show whatever
you say is right, when certain things happen.
You are only 1 taxi driver among 25000 or so, maybe you're better
than most and know how to survive, good for you and I hope it
continues, but don't get too bigheaded.
Remember all it takes is for some big shot in LTA to say, you must
stopped and that's it. Can you fight an organisation as big as LTA.
Can you guarantee they can never find fault with you? Remember the
tiger only needs to get it right once while you must be 100%
everytime.
You expect others to behave in a certain way in the forum and give
respect. I think respect is a 2 way street.
Ok enough of that. Now for BJ whether he wants to follow or not,
it's up to him.
Firstly, I am very sorry to hear of your ordeal, this is something
I won't wish on any taxi driver, whether it's you or anyone else. I
hope you can learn a few things from this sad affair and be better
prepared next time, if something similar threatens you.
Before I go on, I think it also fair that I relate to your conduct
here (my own opinion) and the incident. But let me say, both are
different issues, what happens here has nothing to do with
that.
You say you're a Buddhist, good for you and wish you well for it.
May you find the peaceful karma that Buddhism espouces. But let me
also say, I think you must also look back at some of the things you
have posted here over the months and accept that you perhaps did
not act in the best Buddhist spirit.
There is no harm in apologising to anyone here if you hurt their
feelings or made some crude remarks. And if some did that you,
accpet it and forgive them also. You're 56, I didn't realise that
until I read the papers.
But some of the things you posted (no I'm not gonna be bothered to
pore thru your past posts) looked like the posts of a 30 something
not an 50 + man which much worldly experience. You sound like an
internet warrior sometimes or take things far too personally. Is it
really necesarry to highlight replies in colour to buttress your
case?
Your tone also seem to indicate you're an expert not a newbie, that
you already know so many things. You also resort to name calling.
Hand on heart, ask yourself is this what a good Buddhist would
do?
And because of this some have taken a dislike of you and when this
happened they were rubbing their hands in glee or at the very
least, suggesting that you deserve it. I am not saying what they
did is correct, but won't you accept this as normal human
behaviour? Can you be bigger than them and raise your hands and
say, look I know we've had our differences and maybe I pissed you
off and you me, but we settle this and go back to the start?
Can you sympathise or emphatise with me as a fellow driver,
and not rush to judgement? I am 100% sure if you did that, they too
would carry their hands and say sorry. It doesn't matter who does
it first. But you shouldn't fire back the way you did.
When you have the moral high ground, stick to it and be quiet abt
it, it speaks far more than rebutting. You are older than me, and
know some things more than me, but also accept that I may know some
things better than you.
As for your case, I am sure you've had many advise and have taken
some action. Here's a bit more for you to consider:
This as you know is Sec 323 (simple assault). It's a non seizable
offence and police CANNOT arrest without a warrant issued by the
court.
So don't get your hopes up, when Poolman said got police car with
flashing lights at Chin Chwee, they are not there to arrest your
man.
The most important thing I think now for you, is to liase with your
IO (I think from Clementi Stn right). Ask him what should you do if
the assailant is spotted by you. (Pls do not listen to what others
say or ask someone else to detain him, if they spot someone like
him in the area). The most they should do is follow and observe him
and wait for you to arrive to confirm it.
I think the IO will advise you, to call for the police, wait for
them to arrive and ascertain his particulars. Unless of course the
IO has issued a warrant of arrest (thru the court) then they will
arrest him. If not they will let him go and some other day the IO
will issue him a letter to attend Clementi for a statement.
In 323 cases, sometimes the police may act on their own and
investigate without a court, sometimes they wait for the order and
sometimes, they don't do anything at all. That's what the
magistrate told you about civil suit. You have to file a suit at
the civil registry and the police will provide the details to the
registry. You then engage a lawyer to sue him for damages.
However I think you did the right thing in getting the press
involved, usually for such cases of public interest they will
investigate anyway and take action. But don't forget this is a 2
sided thing, even with your injuries and medical report, the
assailant might give a different version, they or the AG chambers
might decline to proceed further. Then you have to sue him own your
own.
But as said, I think they will take action if they can locate him.
If they do don't worry, if he's found guilty this 100% got jail
term. You can also sue for damages. Or he might offer you money to
drop the case, then you gotta decide if you agree with it.
The next step if not done, is to liase with CDG. Go down, speak to
a DRO and ask them to assist you. That's a good thing about CDG, in
such cases having a big co behind you is beneficial.
See what assistance they can offer. Maybe you ask the DRO check
their data to see if any Indian man has booked a cab from Coleman
street to Chin Chwee before. I dunno if they will do this or
release the details to you, but they might do so and supply it to
the police and maybe the police can get a picture of him thru NRO
and ask you to come down to verify if it's your assailant.
But as said the most important thing is to check with your IO, how
are they gonna verify his identity, maybe if Coleman Street where
you picked up got camera, then perhaps the IO can retrieve it.
Similarly also check at North Buona Vista exit if got camera, and
asked the IO to view it from TP or LTA to get his snapshot.
