Wikileaks: Sg Education edu system not helping

Rock^Star SG

FireIce SG

is this a leak?

this is something 众所周知

Rock^Star SG

Which has confirmed my long time suspicion that PAP pushes people into different levels of the social pyramid so as to "maintain the balance" of society.

If you are an ITE or poly grad, or just a simple degree grad, forget about climbing beyond your social class if you work for the civil service. Sounds very much like a stupid system to me.

FireIce SG

brave new world

Rock^Star SG

is this a leak?

this is something 众所周知

Well, at least now we know it's cast in iron that MOE actually has such a directive. Quite regressive for a developed nation.

^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~ SG

this is an interesting thread...

Dalforce 25 SG

I think this policy took off in late 90s. There was a propaganda campaign at the time by PAP regime to push for people to enter poly and not JC.

They wanted to restrict the number of people that can get into university.

Flooding of Singapore with cheap foreign labour, the creation of a new class of aliens as citizens - all these are probably part of the diabolical master plan of the PAP.

Brain Freeze SG

Singapore education is 填鸭式 type.

Mr Milo SG

Singapore education is 填鸭式 type.

goose liver?

SBS2601D SG

Well, at least now we know it's cast in iron that MOE actually has such a directive. Quite regressive for a developed nation.

It took you that long to figure this one out?

Its actually a textbook prescription easily found in developmental texts.

What's so regressive about this?

If you are interested in learning, the SG system, while restrictive, also gives plenty of opportunities for you to do so (within the bounds of what the govt wants you to learn).

If you don't, don't "waste" taxpayer's subsidies. They are not cheap. Don't bring in FT subsidies here though, I disagree with that also.

Darkness_hacker99 SG

If you are appointed the Minister for Education, China, how would you go about solving the current problem many graduates face in the job market?

Aneslayer SG

If you are appointed the Minister for Education, China, how would you go about solving the current problem many graduates face in the job market?

Is that your idea of education? Filling the job market. Your post really implied so.... The fundamental flaw of current education is to produce what the projected market needs and not fulfilling the ideal of developing minds to achieve each potential to the fullest.... Maybe the truly smart ones are those who chose to drop out of school when they realize the flaw.... School=/=education.

Darkness_hacker99 SG

Nice to meet you. My name is Chin Seng, I am the co-founder and moderator of Homework Forum. I quited my school about 9 months ago, and put in my soul and blood into my business. I agree with your sentiments and that is why I always believe every student have the potential.

When I told my mum that I wanted to quit school, she supported my idea. I work hard and smart and proved to her that I can survive on my own and paper qualification does not mean everything.

Best regards,
Chin Seng

Rock^Star SG

Ok fair enough, I see two schools of thought there. The factory mill and the development of full potential models.

In singapore, many who can qualify for poly, can qualify for JC too. The poly grads, many have to go overseas for studies or take a private degree because they do not fall into the top 20% category to qualify for the local unis.

Then I wonder, why penalise those able students who chose the poly experience and then give a place to really mediocre students from JC? Then answer all lies in pushing people into the economic pyramid as the easy way out. Very highly structured thinking system and hence the pool of candidates for the development of full potential becomes lesser.

Rock^Star SG

I have met quite a number of insurance and property agents in my life and it seems that many of those successful entreprenuerial ones came from a poly background. Would these people have made it big had they gone into civil service? No way because paper matters.

Then begs the question, why are the govt limiting their pool of talents according to different levels? The degree holders one path and the poly dip holders (with private degree) another rung lower?

^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~ SG

Then begs the question, why are the govt limiting their pool of talents according to different levels? The degree holders one path and the poly dip holders (with private degree) another rung lower?

ehh Rocky...

1st para cannot like tat compare... Insurance and property are sales jobs, entreprenueres are business related... which u seldom see in civil service... if compare must use like (ehhh) accountant, finance, HR, PR etc etc...

as for the discussion between DH and anes, both are the reason why I say this is an interesting topic...

Do note the below, I use "Most" and do take note I did not include FTs in my point.

1) Gov limiting potential to fill job markets... Most of everyone gets job, most jobs are filled, most of everyone happy... However most of everyone isn't fully developed (which I think is stupid, I'll explain why later)

2) Gov not limiting potential... 80% degree holders, 20% others... Job market would be slightly chaotic, most degree holders will have problem finding jobs and will likely not take on jobs like call centre etc etc... then those jobs will have problem finding ppl to fill them (though by bringing FTs, they can resolve this problem but piority will have to go to singaporean first)... Most of everyone will be unhappy but potentially smarter... [we shldn't limit mankind ability just becoz of jobs market, we shldn't accomadate the job market but shld be the job market accomodate to mankind (which mankind created the job market)]

From both the points above, most ppl will be happy in (1) and unhappy in (2)... So it's a choice of choosing doing popular thing or the right (IMO) thing... Besides, in this era/age of information and technologies, it's very hard to limit ppl's ability/potential...

What I am puzzled about is, why is the government doing (1) but bringing FTs, which is usually a solution for (2)... It's like slapping their own face, which is a totally stupid course of action...

eagle SG

Still the farmer vs scholar debate ........ :x

Dalforce 25 SG

Its actually a textbook prescription easily found in developmental texts.

What's so regressive about this?

A lot of those development texts are also full of shit. For example in 60s, 70s, they said that Singapore was overpopulated and the population must be reduced, so the PAP came up with the idiotic "stop at 2" campaign.

Dalforce 25 SG

What I am puzzled about is, why is the government doing (1) but bringing FTs, which is usually a solution for (2)... It's like slapping their own face, which is a totally stupid course of action...

me: " so wad makes u decide to come here"

PRC: " i didnt"

me: " wa, ur parents force u here or ur bf is here"

PRC: "neither, ur SG gahment invited us here"

me: " huh, wad do u mean"

they offer us, ALL Expenses paid for our fees in NTU, including lodging and we even get pocket money

on top of that, they have send me the INVITATION letter to apply for PR after we grad"

- PRC on PAP MOE.

However, according to Cheryl Chan, Assistant Director of the Planning Division at the Ministry of Education (MOE), the government does not plan to encourage more students to get a higher education.

The university enrollment rate will continue to be maintained at 20-25 percent because the Singaporean labor market does not need everyone to get a four-year degree, she asserted.

they offer us, ALL Expenses paid for our fees in NTU, including lodging and we even get pocket money

on top of that, they have send me the INVITATION letter to apply for PR after we grad"

- PRC on PAP MOE.

sgdiehard SG

Still the farmer vs scholar debate ........ :x

or the poly grad and u grade debate? or the FT vs locals debate? people are running out of idea...