Think before you vote

last SG · 2010-12-07T13:50:14+00:00

http://www.temasekreview.net/2010/12/24/singapore-is-no-longer-a-story-i-want-to-be-a-part-of/ Lots of interesting comments.

charlize SG

Competition Will Only Benefit Consumers.

This Is The Case For Politics Also.

No Competition Means Monopoly, Means Singaporeans Will Just Have To Bite The Bullet.

Nonsense.

If there are too many opposition MPs complaining about GST hikes, over crowding everywhere, transport fare hikes, low paying jobs, expensive public housing, high minister salaries, parliament will become a place bustling with lots of hot noisy debates and discussions.

You want to disturb those ministers taking their naps is it?

troublemaker2005 SG

i got found one video at youtube to share wiht here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2fMRMsbSY8&NR=1

Disman SG

i finished already

βέτά SG

HK median income is not higher than SG.

the project i mention above is

Lions Rise | 現崇山- Translate
版權所有 2011 嘉里建設有限公司
www.lionsrise.com.hk , by Kerry properties

HK ceases to build HOS-~~HOME OWNERSHIP SCHEME~~-,like HDB, since 2002.

So, new flats depend wholly on private developers.

Completion of new flats, about 11,000 units ayear, is terrible low, lower than SG private flats in absolute number.

Since HK get 7 millions population, plus mainland China buyers,the price is sure beyond high income young people reach.

2. the average no. of all HK new flats completed is only 9975 units a year, from 2007 to 2010.PUBLIC HOUSING FOR SALE IS ZERO SINCE 2002.

pl note there are about 2.3 million people age from 25 to 45 who need hosing badly.
see Figure two here-
http://www.thb.gov.hk/eng/psp/publications/hous…

3. U MAY ASK hk GET MANY PUBLIC RENTAL UNITS.

YES , BUT DUE TO INCOME CEILING, many people wish they are not eligible to get. but they also cannot afford private flats.
each years, there are only about 20,000 units of PUBLIC RENTAL UNITS.
in HK , they call it PRH—-PUBLIC RENTAL HOUSING.

see Figure two here-
http://www.thb.gov.hk/eng/psp/publications/hous…

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4. I URGE U dunt look at superficial figures.

even in remote location in yuen long, tuen mun, in NT, the new flats cost HK gross area 5000 to 700,
in SG net floor area is S$1150 per sq ft.

You are stupid!!!

Stop trying to convert others into another idiot like you!!!

Hong Kong Housing Authority gives around 50% discount rate for public housing.

In Phase 19C, the Housing Authority introduced a new flexible discount rate system, allowing successful applicants to choose from three discount rates equivalent to 10% above or below the base discount rate apart from the existing 50% discount on full market value at the time of price fixing. During application, the potential buyers were also asked about their preference on the discount options. Almost 50% of the applicants responded to the question, amongst which 76% chose 10% above the base discount rate (60% off), 18% chose base discount rate (50% off) and 6% chose 10% below the base discount rate (40% off).

http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk/en/aboutus/news/pressreleases/0,,2-0-2381,00.html

http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk/en/residential/hossecondarymarket/transaction/0,,3-0-0-2011_4,00.html

troublemaker2005 SG

one video to ponder over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orWZN1k4NxY&NR=1

lionnoisy SG

i have no partisan view today. No worry, just speak from my heart.
this is my 2 cents thoughts on policy making. How to pick the best options , ie the best policy for middle term to long term benefits of SG.

i hope this can help u to decide which party is the best to run SG in the future.
i hope u can judge each Party in OVERALL. Just look at bright side(some policy u like) of Party A or just look at dark side(some policy u dunt like)of Party B is not responsible to your next generations.

i will assess each option by three aspects,ie
A.COST,
B. BENEFITS,
C.RISKS.

IN EACH ASPECT, I FURTHER CONSIDER THE FOLLOWINGS-
~~1.FINANCIAL TERMS~~-DOLLARS AND CENTS
2. ECONOMIC IMPACT
3. POLITICAL IMPACT
4. SOCIAL IMPACT

DUNT ADOPT GOOD POLICY. ADOPT BEST POLICY.
1. Good policy usually mean painless to people. human being cant produce no pain policy. we have to assess the OVERALL pros and cons of each option.
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now i talk about different aspects in COST in each option.
1.FINANCIAL TERMS—DOLLARS AND CENTS
2. ECONOMIC IMPACT
3. POLITICAL IMPACT
4. SOCIAL IMPACT of BENEFITS of each option.

A.COST
A1.FINANCIAL TERMS—DOLLARS AND CENTS
Is the policy sustainable in long term?Will the capital expenses and future annual expenses is affordable? do we need increase tax to implement it? or do we need reduce other expenses to implement this policy.
The rule of thumb is THIS GENERATION EARNS. THIS GENERATION SPENDS.
LEAVE NO DEBT TO FUTURE GEN, NOR DIP INTO RESERVE left by forefathers.

US leave billions of debts to next gens is very mean.

A.COST
A2.ECONOMIC IMPACT
How each option will affect current and future econ performance?
eg if manufacturing is reducing, can the workers eligible and like to work in other fields. further, how is reducing manufacturing affect the up streams and down stream industries, eg transports, catering, finances, insurance, R and D etc.

A.COST
A3. POLITICAL IMPACT
what would be people reactions to each options?
eg many People angry with casino.(but dunt forget many IR workers are local)

A.COST
A4.SOCIAL IMPACT
how is social impact of each option. IR will create more gamblers. This is sure.
but SG on the other hand, can get frequent gamblers who go to Genting and casino ships switching to play in SG casino. this reduce out flowing of SG money.
For any options, what is social cost, and also benefits,if any.
Can SG absorb the social cost/ At what costs?
£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
now i talk about different aspects in BENEFITS in each option.
1.FINANCIAL TERMS—DOLLARS AND CENTS
2. ECONOMIC IMPACT
3. POLITICAL IMPACT
4. SOCIAL IMPACT of BENEFITS of each option.

B.BENEFITS
B1.FINANCIAL TERMS—DOLLARS AND CENTS
how each option can generate revenues for government and how people can be benefits from each option. a low tech factory sure can pay low salary to workers. but a high tech factory or services which need skilled and professional workers sure can pay more.

B.BENEFITS
B2. ECONOMIC IMPACT
how is the spinning effects of each options? IR can bring in more tourists (and some criminals, to be honest ).how are up and down stream industries can be benefited?eg hotels, Foods and restaurants,tour guides etc
is Disney land or Universal Studio better?
How to compare with other options,if any.

B.BENEFITS
B3. POLITICAL IMPACT
how is each option let government get more trusts and confidences from people?
Some dunt like casino, but some like becos he want to work as dealers etc.
many need earn a living!

B.BENEFITS,
B4. SOCIAL IMPACT
how is each option improve the people in physical standard of living, as well as more civilized.
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now i talk about different aspects in RISKS in each option.
1.FINANCIAL TERMS—DOLLARS AND CENTS
2. ECONOMIC IMPACT
3. POLITICAL IMPACT
4. SOCIAL IMPACT of BENEFITS of each option.

C.RISKS.
C1.FINANCIAL TERMS—DOLLARS AND CENTS
How is the worst case of each option. Can we afford to pay or do we need increase tax or reduce other expenses?
How is the possibility of running out of budgets,like YOG.
if we DOUBLE TEACHERS, will there be enough students?

C.RISKS.
C2. ECONOMIC IMPACT
how will any option affect the targeted mainstream industries , as well as up and down stream industries?If we ask foreign construction workers go, will we have enough local workers to build HDB and how much is salary of local workers?
further, if we sell HDB at cost or cost plus, more local workers sure will push up new HDB price.

C.RISKS.
C3. POLITICAL IMPACT
how is each option will affecting people’s trusts on government ?

C.RISKS.
C4. SOCIAL IMPACT
how is each option will has adversary social impact ? Can SG rectify the damages?
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SUMMARY
no option is perfect. we have to strike the balance of all factors I mention above.
Like casino may create more gamblers. but will few thousand local workers working in IR now can get other jobs?

lionnoisy SG

x for your effort to do research and discuss.

yes u are right, but there is a catch which SG HDB dunt have.
HDB owners after MOP ,minimum occupation period ,can sell to eligible buyers WITHOUT PAYING tx for your effort to do research and discuss.

yes u are right, but there is a catch which SG HDB dunt have.
HDB owners after MOP ,minimum occupation period ,can sell to eligible buyers WITHOUT PAYING ANY SINGLE CENT to HDB.
BUT HK HOS owners have to pay huge amount.

HK HOME OWNERSHIP SCHEME-~~HOS~~-owners NEED TO PAY PREMIUM WHEN OWNERS ELIGIBLE TO SELL IN OPEN MARKET.
HOS=居屋計劃，
pay land premium補地價。

1.what is paying land premium補地價?
u have to pay back the discount u enjoy!the worse is the amount depending on current price prices.
Eg, in 1998 as u tell us. the full market value is HK 1 millions, 30% discount. the buyers so called enjoy 300,000 discount in 1998.

2. But after the MOP—-like HDB minimum occupation period,owner can sell in TWO MARKETS. in HK call GREEN FORM AND WHITE FORM.居屋綠表,居屋白表
one market is very restrictive, the buyers have income ceiling etc.居屋第二市场
owner need not pay any money to government.
BUT the price in this market is much lower than full open market, !

3.
another market is owner can sell to anyone, include foreigners,
But the CATCH IS HE HAVE TO PAY THE DISCOUNT HE HAD ENJOYED.
the worse is the land premium補地價 is based on current market price, not the value
in 1998!! So, he had to pay current market price 2 millions x 0.3 =HK 600,000 to government before he can sell in nonrestrictive market!
After paying HK 600,000 in CASH, not MPF, he can sell to anyone at 2,000,000.
BUT as u know, 2 mil less 600,000=1.4 mil! then less any loans .
So, 1998 he enjoy discount HK D 300,000 , 2011 , he pay HK 600,000!
is it a good deal?

http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk/en/residenti…

http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk/en/residenti…
主页 > 住宅物业 > 居屋第二市场
google
HOS=居屋計劃，
pay land premium補地價。
HOS GREEN FORM AND WHITE FORM.居屋綠表,居屋白表
HOS Secondary Market .居屋第二市场

Wiser SG

then ask the hongkies to go back to hong kong to stay. Dun compete with Singaporeans for our flats.

Simple solutions.

Vice Versa, can Singaporeans buy any flat from Hong Kong ?

lionnoisy SG

no more discounted public housing for HK people.
the scheme ceased in 2003.
the batch sold in 2010 were built at least 7 years ago, though touched up recently.

all old flats.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hkedition/2010-03/...

I hope our learned forumers here can do some home work before post here.

u guys English is sure better than me.

Need to compare—-no place is perfect.

HK private new flats cost S$2,000 per sq foot,yes two thousand sing dollar. ,in public housing estate.,calls WONG TAI SIN,黃大仙 near the famous WONG TAI SIN temple 黃大仙廟
There is famous for gangsters .

angel7030 SG

Oh my gosh!! it the Lion again...Roar Roar Roar!!! 5 years one time.

I went to my voting station early in the morning after my joggin, as a Taiwanese becoming a citizen here, I wanted to vote for PAP, cos they made this possible for me, very easily, I get my citizenship. Not many countries in this world allow a diploma holder to get citizenship so easily. But then, I have to take into the account that my Dad is a singaporean, my grandma is also a singaporean, only my late mother is a taiwanese.

As I was about to cast the vote, I look out and saw a group of PRC gals and guys walk by, laughing and giggling, they were here to cast their vote, must hv got their citizenship. To this communist chinese, voting is sound like a very funny game, a playground for them. They will shouting and laughing till i told them to shut up, even the officers there also keep quiet. Then they stared at me like not happy, but i just walk away, go to my BM and drove off. I then realised that I voted the wrong one, cos at that moment, these PRC makes me think of why not having some stranger in the parliament, just like what is happening here, even citizens of singapore also got taiwanese like me, PRC and india indians, why not in the parliament, further more opposition are singaporeans. I hope I voted the right party.

lionnoisy SG

hi angle, PRC is not communists any more, nor Taiwan is a democratic country anymore.
You first home country, with due respect, already controlled by greedy people.
陳水扁 is only a tip of iceberg. why do so many spend so much money and eager to run for election?
MONEY.
one third of MP,立委has criminal records.

PRC are so excited. Pl bear with them.
as a civilized person, u have to understand this is the first time.

Taiwan people just too busy to elect and produce too few products and services.

βέτά SG

Vote PAP if you want your 3-Room HDB asset value to increase to $1 million.

Everybody can have a stake in Singapore and work till 70s.

angel7030 SG

PRC are so excited. Pl bear with them.
as a civilized person, u have to understand this is the first time.

Taiwan people just too busy to elect and produce too few products and services.

Hi and dear Lion,

I think u must sleeping in the den for too long, PRC is still very much communist minded, it just that their economy had open up to embrace demorcracy, but the ruling is still base on communist doctrine, in their country, there is no election, for them, voting is something very new and funny for their youngster.

In taiwan, tho our politician are corrupted and cunning, but we never raise housing prices, get in foreigners, increase essential food items, they are corrupted in terms of foreign corporate corruption, state corporation corruption and business corruption. But never does taiwan put pressure on it citizens, more of their own personnal problem, and when they are caught, they apologise and go to jail, Singapore govt is different, it is not they are clean, they use a different way of taking by looking it as legal, thru CPF, thru HDB, thru taxation such as GST ERP and so on, however in the end, they also apologised, but they dun go jail leh. Why?

βέτά SG

They should have exit poll, so that Singaporeans can know if the votes have been "fixed".

No Independence of Elections Department, Hard to Justify the Results.

Elections Department should be under the purvue of the President, who should be not politically aligned (neutral).

Instead Elections Department is under the PM which is flying the PAP flag.

angel7030 SG

ya, should ask the Gukkhas to take over the election poll station and counting...but most Gukkhas failed math lah

Demon Bane SG

Anybody helping out in the polling stations ?

Demon Bane SG

.... tonight watch polling results on TV live !

shanfan SG

Anybody helping out in the polling stations ?

This reserves only for bootlickers of PAP only.

βέτά SG

All That Is Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is That Good Men Do Nothing. -- Edmund Burke; Irish Orator, Philosopher, Politician (1729 - 1797)

charlize SG

All That Is Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is That Good Men Do Nothing. -- Edmund Burke; Irish Orator, Philosopher, Politician (1729 - 1797)

This quote was featured in the Bruce Willis movie "Tears of the Sun".

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