Top military and police officer as politicans

sgdiehard SG

they can if they could ;)

if they can't, they screw themselves...

reyes SG

for those who said military leaders who take off their uniforms no longer have influence on the military. who can gurantee? why take the risk if we can get ride of this potential risk. current defence minister is former chief of Navy. Lui tuck yew also former Chief of navy.

do you give face to your former superior who promote you to replace him?

reyes SG

another pt i would like to make is the ruling leaders like such bootlicking generals tat careerist and opportunist than they care about serving the nation. they tends to blindly follow whatever order given by the ruling leaders. we would end up having bunch of scholars who would get 高潮by bootlicking.

sgdiehard SG

do you give face to your former superior who promote you to replace him?

To an extent, ex military leaders will have influence on some people in the military, same as ex civil servants, ex school principals, ex unionists, ex CEO ...... this is inevitable. But after taking off their uniforms, can the military leaders still get the military to support him, or the students to support the principals, or the civil servants to support their former head of department, or the ex union head to mobilize the workers to walk the street, can the CEO mobilize the wealth of his previous company for his own political agenda? the answer is NO.

You also argue that an ex military leader could run the country like an army, or an ex school principal think all citizens are their students, or an ex CEO's interest is to make money for the country with little regards for the people....there are many possibilities.

But for the former chief of Navy to become our defence minister, it is better for than any other who does not have any experience run a part of a total armed forces to run our national defence agency, and look after our soldiers!

There is never a perfect leader!

The worst that can happen is for a politician to run the country just for political reason

Taiyaki SG

They like the pay of Singapore politicians !!!

reyes SG

There is never a perfect leader!

The worst that can happen is for a politician to run the country just for political reason

para 1.

The reason why i brought this up is because the current situation that happen in the arab or northern african continents, the dictator has direct control over the military. The thai arm forces are under the direct control of the royal family. that why in thailand no one from the yellow shirts are prosecuted after seizing the airport. all military leaders in singapore have link with the current ruling regime. If there is massive protest on the streets in singapore should that happen one day, how unbias can the military leader be? moreover your examples quoted are not really relevant. as officers in the armed forces we take orders and obey orders. your other quoted examples such as students, businessesman, employess do not.

para 2.

we already seeing in many countries that military generals when participating in politics can cause what kind of havoc. most dictators in history tends to be generals themselves or control the military or have generals sworn loyalty to them.

para3.

i do not agree defence minister need to be run by former generals.robert gates USA secretary of defence is just a lieutenant in the airforce. he has abandon of generals to advice him on policy which he discuss with the president or PM.

however i do agree there is no perfect leader. but when we pay our leaders the highest salary in the world ( excludes murbarak gaddefi) , we deserve to demand almost perfect from them.

if you vote for a politician not for politics reason, then PAP is suitable for you coz they choose leaders for economic reasons only.

Arapahoe SG

Like i say....its good and bad....

In Singapore as politician always said margin for error is very small......as such very little room for leader to make mistake "I Stand Corrected" .......you get cynical citizen.

As the saying goes.....in military we salute the Rank not the Man. In politics we look at the Man not the Rank. so for ex military leaders if unable to adapt it will exist the arena. Than it is the political party that made the wrong decision to accept the individual. The political party suffer the consequence.

For those example you gave who cannabilised their own citizens so to rule......that is why there are unrest in their countries.

kira.sg SG

recently i read thru that few military and police officer are retiring early to join the PAP.

while i do not quite convince about their motive to serve the nation but their former identity does not strike well with me.

I do not support top military and police brass to join politics. We have to separate the role of politicians and military personnel separate. Currently we already have lui tuck yew, Teo chee hean, george yeo, LHL all holiding ministerial position. That is already a very high % in the whole ministerial cabintet. Are we going to be rule by military regime? what kind of political path are we persueing?

It also seem like the there is close behind the door relationship between the PAP and military and police topmen. it has become the breeding ground for the future leaders of Singapore too. If in the future , the ruling regime is being charge with corruption and ppl strike in the streets as case in libya, egypt, where does our police and miliary position?

I hate ex-military personnel becoming a politican.

Maybe they were from the wayang organization, made them easier to join the wayang party. They have the same wayang culture mah. Pui!.

I remembered Mr Lee said that they have very good organizing skills. I believe that they can gather people round the camp fire and sing songs only.

reyes SG

Like i say....its good and bad....

In Singapore as politician always said margin for error is very small......as such very little room for leader to make mistake "I Stand Corrected" .......you get cynical citizen.

For those example you gave who cannabilised their own citizens so to rule......that is why there are unrest in their countries.

right and wrong, the ex military man might not be afterall choosen by the ppl choice as they tend to hide in GRC. what kind of consequences are there when they control the mainstream media. you might not be able to know if there is a mistake. either we singaporeans are forgiving or we are dope!

Do we wait for mistake to happen then perform countermeasure. Do do you think prevention better than cure?

Wmyongj SG

I think this subject is being played out.

Singapore is diff as compared to many poor and developing country in miltary/poltices equalisbrium. I think high ranking offices bearer in SAF and Police take their position as a 'job' and not interested with polities since they are well pay.

The govern keep them happy by giving them even higher pay job after their discharge.

Nevertheless, almost all Singapore men is military and police so in case of protests who will be in control?

reyes SG

I think this subject is being played out.

The govern keep them happy by giving them even higher pay job after their discharge.

Nevertheless, almost all Singapore men is military and police so in case of protests who will be in control?

is it so, why so many ex top police chief and generals join 100% to PAP? maybe it is their intention afterall to get the scholarship and then moving to higher office to get million dollar salary.

kira.sg SG

Soon, SG will be run by military government.

Wmyongj SG

is it so, why so many ex top police chief and generals join 100% to PAP? maybe it is their intention afterall to get the scholarship and then moving to higher office to get million dollar salary.

Yes, by giving them material wealth, who is nut enought to pursue political opposition against the government? We are not raise from young on politic idealogy unless influence by religion or povety. Like the middle east and Africa. Military in developing country revolt but in the rich country, miliatry simply take this as a profession.

Anyway, we should not raise issue like military integrity in Singapore as although we may not be happy with the government policies, WE , including me, served our NS and should uplift the reputation of our fellow army folks. Sorry, for the subject, I disagree with you.

frakfrakfrak SG

Aiya, talk cock no use. Come election time if they want to put some asshole bootlicker in charge of your constituency, don't vote for them la. This election every constituency being contested what. Vote for Opposition, now alot of graduates and talented people also in Opposition. These are the kind of people who don't bend over just because people flash some money in front of their face, the type of people who can represent THE CITIZENS OF SINGAPORE.

If Opposition win sure the flood gates of talent will be thrown wide open. All the graduate sons and daughters of uncles and aunties who have suffered under the heel of the Money Face Traitors will volunteer in droves to join RC. Throw out all the corrupt RC bootlickers. Clean up the constituency. Demand better transport services. Not just wayang during election time like mugging toads. Why vote for Mugger Toads when can vote for Lions and Tigers.

charlize SG

The answer is very obvious right?

reyes SG

i mean it is OK to disagree. that why we are here for, voice up and bring up differences which we cannot hear from the mainstream media. I serve in SAF too. yet i am not that confident our armed forces can stay unbias in times of crisis. since most of the cronies generals are party members of the PAP.

stellazio SG

Actually its just because they're SAFOS scholars rights? Thats why they have to serve in the military first and have strong links to governmental organisations be it politics or not.

reyes SG

Actually its just because they're SAFOS scholars rights? Thats why they have to serve in the military first and have strong links to governmental organisations be it politics or not.

that make our politics more dangerous as PAP manage to make the policeforce and military a feeder channel for them.

charlize SG

I think there is a huge downside to this.

When you are a general in the armed forces, you tell the people below what to do and they have to listen to you.

In politics (in a democracy), the people are your "masters" and you are supposed to listen to them.

Going from a "I give you orders, you listen to me" to a "What do you want? I am here to serve you" environment are seriously 2 different things.

qpicanto SG

Which also mean that the likelihood of a female defence mininster, foreign minister, dpm and pm, coming form the pap-led government is very very slim due to the current practice.

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