Does CSJ hint disbanding SAF is the best option?

last SG · 2011-02-19T17:50:41+00:00

Jews are chosen people. so why are they persecuted and mortar attacks? god didnt protect them? They did not accept Jesus as messiah.

Devil7030 SG

I know you are the ardent supporter of SDP, especially of CSJ.

SAF will not go into Malaysia just that it will not sell waters to Singapore.

This will be an invasion and Singapore will be hammered by the international communities.

Singapore will not be that foolish to undertake such an invasion.

lionnoisy SG

hi guys, tx for your hot responses.

kindly mind your languages touching our neighbours.

i dunt want MOD close this thread.

2. can we go back to discuss CSJ theory?

4sg SG

even u got all the missiles pointed at malaysia. how long can u stall them?

we dun have a buffer

Clever understanding of geopolitical advantage.......

limywv SG

sbst275 SG

never ever underestimate deterrance in foreign policy.

4sg SG

SAF has no intention to go into any wars with any country but it makes sure that any country that has any evil intention against Singapore , the enemy will suffer very heavy causaulties and at enormous cost.

The role of SAF is to act as a deterrent and makes the enemy to think twice before they intend to attack Singapore.

Apparently, you have not heard of LKY meeting with Dr M. This was prior to Newater technological discovery.

LKY warned Dr M that if Singapore supply of water is shut down, he will go in and restore the supply - not walk in, not invite in, not ask to go in. But to go in forcefully - read 'invasion'.

Askingyouto SG

Journalists which have their origins from ISD are PAP best weapons. They would reconstructed any ones's interview to twist their words in accordance to PAP's aims.

Old trick, the American government used it to deceive their own citizens in the 60's and 70's.

lionnoisy SG

Journalists which have their origins from ISD are PAP best weapons. They would reconstructed any ones's interview to twist their words in accordance to PAP's aims.

Old trick, the American government used it to deceive their own citizens in the 60's and 70's.

well. then CSJ shall tell us what did he say.

Askingyouto SG

well. then CSJ shall tell us what did he say.

The entire mass media is controlled by PAP. The only way is to go to his SDP website.

lionnoisy SG

did he say what I quoted?

FBFIce SG

the saf is to make money not for war

Cute Dolphin SG

I agree our country will be destroyed in a war.

Even missiles hitting us,our flats will collaspe.

I believe our country should cut down on defense. But should still spend on some equipment.

sbst275 SG

He actually said tat focus should be on diplomacy

Cute Dolphin SG

He actually said tat focus should be on diplomacy

Of course war should be the last resort. Diplomacy to solve issues with other countries. War when people invade us.

sbst275 SG

Of course war should be the last resort. Diplomacy to solve issues with other countries. War when people invade us.

true

but deterrence is still good to have.. necessary evil

Askingyouto SG

did he say what I quoted?

SDP Shadow Budget 2011 on page 26

Security and external relations

E7. Ministry of Defence (MINDEF)

The best defence of the nation is good relations with its neighbours. Our defence policy will be founded upon building international friendships, replacing the hostile and confrontational stance of the past. Amity among nations will replace the need for high spending on armaments and we will focus our efforts to increase economic and social/cultural cooperation, the sharing of expertise and technology, and the pooling of resources. We will thereforce reduce our defence force to one that allows us to enjoy a peaceful and secure environment and unimpeded access to our lines of communication.

A significant reduction in defence spending is made. An immediate moratorium on the purchase of new armaments will be established. We will allocate resources to study the feasibility of scaling down our defence force to a fully professional, non-conscript body. As part of this study, we will look into the immediate reduction of NAtional Service to one year and the feasibility of transferring surplus manpower to civilian sectors such as hospitals and environmental clean-up units.

Mindef will pay full-time NSmen the minimun wage of $1,200 as basic allowance. These men have been called to serve the nation and they risk their lives in doing so. They shall not be exploited.

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Here's the full paragraph in the SDP Shadow Budget 2011 on page 26. It is a PDF format and I can't copy and paste. I typed it with my snail speed fingers.

I went to the chinese link that you gave, but I surrender when I saw the amount of Chinese texts.

German philiospher Luwig Wittgenstein has said that languages are like word games. In the 1920s, if I remember correctly, academics are very concerned with the problems of languages, meanings and stuff like that. There are loopholes or mistakes that can be exploited, for example, English to Chinese and so on.

The folks at SPH are well versed to emphasie what words will acheive their aims. They can't do a complete news blankout of opposition parties as people nowadays are more discerning, but they can still tweak certain words to influcence our thoughts. It will be subtle and not easily found out.

My family still has subscription to the Chinese and morning newspapers. I normally just skim through the headlines and do a quick read up if needed. Mostly I will try to find pictures of pretty girls to start me up instead. I am always wary of their reporting style. The most famous of them being Chua Mui Hoong (Political Editor) who is formerly from ISD.

PAP did not spend these few decades acquiring independent newspapers and grouping them all under SPH for nothing. I don't think it really brings in money nowadays, SPH, if I'm not mistaken dabbles in other stuff to earn most of their revenues. PAP believe that it is a valuable tool and time and time again, during elections PAP have the upper hand.

sbst275 SG

so who wants to sign on?

reduce NS to 1 year... you sure you're going to train commanders? Seriously the places tat needs NSF is the Home Team be it police or ICA.

Min wage of $1200??? Cut GST, still got a $$ to increase allowance?

mancha SG

CSJ just want to be popular.

By talking about banning NS he targets those who are afraid of NS.

By talking about handouts to old people, he targets the uncles and aunties.

By talking about throwing out foreign workers, he targets those who don't know how to land a job.

He has a doctorate, and he reduced the strongest opposition party Singapore ever had into a gathering of babbling rowdies. And now want to regain popular support by populist rethorics.

He should see a psychiatrist, about his political ambitions.

limywv SG

Francisk SG

while i was in NS, a Warrant Officer once asked me. Do you think NS should be gone? i said no for various 'society/character' reasons. not impt.

he then asked me who are we most likely go to war with? i said Msian and Indo. Then he asked me. Who will most likely win the war. i replied cfm them. coz the amount of soldiers is enough to flatten us.

then he told me one scenario. imagine u are a man with a wife and daughter at home. a few robbers forced and broke into ur house. they also raped your wife and daughter. he asked me what would i do? try to fight off the robbers to prevent this even though u know u cant stop it? or sit or do nth while they are being raped?

he then said even if u tried and cannot fight off the robbers, ur wife and daughter will still come treat ur wounds after the incident and will bring the family closer. if u did nth, its over, no more respect. thought over it. quite true.

so... i think NS is essential. but i do think the expenditure abit too high.

btw i dont rmb CSJ saying he wan abolish NS.

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