Opposition parties and PAP

last SG · 2010-10-10T16:45:03+00:00

Unless you are the sentimental kind who likes to keep old and spoilt juice blenders that used to work 10 or 20 years ago. And keep trying to get them to do w...

january SG

I dunno the strength of the opposition group in singapore.. and how many vote for or against PAP at the end of the day.

I am voting PAP for sure, for now. For others who believe its good to uproot PAP... do work hard. Maybe PAP is uprootable, i dunno. I think its unlikely. most people vote PAP at the end of the day... its around 60% mostly favouring PAP....

we will see.... it has been always been PAP winning elections , so I think its not a bullshit party... well, opposition now seems to be feeling confident.. but we shall see. If govt is really lousy and opposition people are growing.. we will surely see PAP topple one day... If PAP does not get topple everytime.. its only means that opposition people are not growing and spreading.

charlize SG

I dunno the strength of the opposition group in singapore.. and how many vote for or against PAP at the end of the day.

I think the best solution is still to keep the incumbent party in power BUT vote in more opposition (i'd say at least 30%) to act as a check against the incumbent party.

So far, it seems like a dual party system where there are 2 dominant parties seems to work best - one, as a check against the other, two, to take over the other party should the country start showing signs of problems.

Singaporeans would have loved to keep the incumbent party forever in the government if the needs and interests of the people are well taken care of. However, it seems that in recent years, this trust has been severely taken advantage of.

More and more mega blunders and bad policies have brought on countless problems to the citizens in general. If Singaporeans were forward thinking, they will need to adjust their mindsets to consider the possibility that the incumbent party might one day fail to deliver what they have promised and if that were to happen, they will need immediately another party to take over the helm.

This scenario is highly possible given the rate of change in the world today coupled with the complacency the incumbent party has shown to the people in its handling of recent boo boos.

In simple terms to the layperson, voting for more alternative voices into parliament is like buying insurance. Nobody wants bad things to happen. But when it does, you want to make sure you have made ample preparations to tide you through the crisis.

Going by the events that have occured in the past years, one can see that something is not quite right in the country. We need to prepare ourselves for the eventuality that things can and will change suddenly.

We need to buy "insurance".

Vote PAP OUT to Save SG SG

I will vote for anything except PAP.

ditzy SG

I say we keep the incumbent party in power.

Vote PAP OUT to Save SG SG

Singaporeans would have loved to keep the incumbent party forever in the government if the needs and interests of the people are well taken care of.

But 33% didn't vote for PAP in 2006.

What about the 33%? They don't want PAP in power.

33% of Singaporean voters in 2006 don't want PAP in power.

33% of Singaporean voters don't want Lee Hsien Loong as prime minster.

Mr. Lee Hsien Loong. Although satisfying, the results were not all to his favour. He had polled fewer votes than his predecessor, Mr. Goh Chok Tong. The six-member WP team of first-timers mostly in their 20s, termed 'virgin politicians', stole some of his luster, polling 33%in his Ang Moh Kio GRC.

PAP chairman Lim Boon Heng had predicted up to 85% win for the PM.

charlize SG

Why it is better to have more alternative parties in Parliament:

Quote from a scene in Alien Vs Predator:

Alexa 'Lex' Woods: [Rousseau is loading a pistol] Seven seasons on the ice, and I've never seen a gun save someone's life.
Adele Rousseau: I don't plan on using it.
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Then why bring it?
Adele Rousseau: Same principle as a condom. I'd rather have one and not need it, then need it and not have one.

4sg SG

I think the best solution is still to keep the incumbent party in power BUT vote in more opposition (i'd say at least 30%) to act as a check against the incumbent party.

This scenario is highly possible given the rate of change in the world today coupled with the complacency the incumbent party has shown to the people in its handling of recent boo boos.

We need to buy "insurance".

Another point.

Globally, things are moving faster. Not individual's but global economic/political issues.

The slow, slow world of yester-years is a thing of the past.

We need politicians to be hardnosed on the ground. 24/7 for the ppl, with the ppl and by the ppl.

Not busy being adviser, ceo, director of X nos of companies and still being an MP.

Or ministars treating parliment as place for siesta. It's disgraceful.

january SG

I think the checking system argument is weak. What is there to check?

Its either you make the opposition strong and solid, and topple PAP.

A minority opposition does not have much executive power other than just menial oberservation posts.

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I think the checking system argument is weak. What is there to check?

PAP needs majority seats to pass bills, amend constitution etc.

Opposition can block the PAP bills or launch a vote of no confidence against PAP regime.

Asromanista2001 SG

wah i didn't realize got so many PAP dicksuckers leh.................

maybe they in govt jobs lah.........

PAP is staying in power becoz mostly of..................

1) Stupidity and ignorance of S'poreans..............

2) S'poreans fear PAP

### 3) people working in the civil service and govt-linked companies and their families feel COMPELLED to vote for PAP..................(we're talking about hundreds of thousands of votes here already)

as long as people thinks GOVT = PAP...............they're too scared to go against Govt so they vote PAP.............plus people are scared of change also........

Fire Engine SG

PAP needs majority seats to pass bills, amend constitution etc.

Opposition can block the PAP bills or launch a vote of no confidence against PAP regime.

But a coaliation government can be problematic.

Launch a vote of no confidence? Dont siao le, so long as PAP got 50% of the seats, such vote also no use. People will see the oppositions as troublemaker and 1970s history will repeat. On the other hand, if PAP has less than 50% of the seats, then they are not government / ruling party anymore. So why need such vote??

Block PAP bills? That will do when PAP has less than 2/3 of the majority and indeed will improve on negoitation with the ppl / oppositions.

Vote PAP OUT to Save SG SG

But a coaliation government can be problematic.

Block PAP bills? That will do when PAP has less than 2/3 of the majority and indeed will improve on negoitation with the ppl / oppositions.

Actually I agree with january's view that opposition should overthrow PAP and take power.

If that is not your aim, don't start opposition or join opposition.

Junyang700 SG

Vote for what PAP has done in the past 5 years.... And not what they have helped Singapore over the past 45 years.

This theory is the same as what bosses view employees these days. What has the employee been doing these 5 years? Contributing? Or just free loading? Productive or non-productive? Employers won't look at what the employee has done over the past 45 years. But the critical moment.. what they are doing now.

Give the PAP the due credit for what they have done over these 5 years.

Good or bad, you decide.

Fire Engine SG

Gopalan again? I tot he was the joker who hoax on LKY's death?

Asromanista2001 SG

aiyah.................same thing happen everytime lah...........

people got no balls or brains and vote PAP...............later everyday complain no end...........

if S'poreans got no guts to change things...............then no need to complain lah.......

Fire Engine SG

Actually I agree with january's view that opposition should overthrow PAP and take power.

If that is not your aim, don't start opposition or join opposition.

Yaya, aim for long term yes. But I thinking for now (2011 / 2012) to take place, it is kind of snake eat elephant.

Vote PAP OUT to Save SG SG

Yaya, aim for long term yes. But I thinking for now (2011 / 2012) to take place, it is kind of snake eat elephant.

At least 1/3 opposition seats in parliament in next general elections.

Build on this and strengthen the opposition parties with the final destruction of PAP by 2015/16 elections.

Vote PAP OUT to Save SG SG

Dear Gopalan.Thank you! If not for this blog, I would have never googled the Singapore Constitution.

I never knew it existed as I've never seen it before.

I can see from the numerous amendments, that we Singaporeans have no liberty.

LKY bulldozers his rules through his fake parliament.

I am currently working overseas and this is just the push for me to stay here permanently.

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2010/10/singapore-unconstitutional.html

Fire Engine SG

At least 1/3 opposition seats in parliament in next general elections.

Build on this and strengthen the opposition parties with the final destruction of PAP by 2015/16 elections.

Now: 2/84 = 1/42 of the parliament seats

Dont u think that from 1/42 to 1/3 is a great leap forward. I doubt even 1/5 is achievable.

Plan which place can the opp. gets it:

SMC:

Hougang no brainer should go to WP

Assuming Potong Pasir remains at Chiam's wife

Assuming Nee Soon Central is recaptured by SDP (By that former MP in SDP? Which party is he contesting under with IDK.)

That translates to 1/4 of the SMC. I dont think SMCs like MacPherson will be under opposition hands as I used to hang around the area (study, just when 2006 GE is coming) there before recently. Neither do I think that rich ppl in Joo Chiat can allow opposition to win there.

GRC:

Assuming that Hong Kah GRC can be won due to heavypowers by Chiam + Late JBJ's son symphaty votes rather than the crediblity / performance (If heavypowers can win, then Cheng San would have under WP), it would turn into a 6 seats (Or 5)

Another one likely to be Tampines GRC and kick MBT's ass out. But not easy, especially Chiam is not there. This will turn into a 5 seats again.

I doubt GRCs like Marine Parade, Ang Mo Kio, West Coast or Bishan - Toa Payoh can win (Esp. Bishan case with SDP courting to death as their credibility.... CMI coupled with the area is mostly civil servants living there.). West Coast is unlikely even the with JBJ's son due to the fact that the Teban [Ayer Rajah] area is pro-PAP (And yet the transportation there like only a few buses, no MRT / LRT. WTF?) and small opp party can lost their deposit without the need for 3 corner fights.

Sembawang? Difficult also. Esp. the northern part Hospital is built in Yishun.

Ok, GRC max 11seats, which is like 11/74 max (Hong Kah 6 + Tampines 5)

Hence, the total is like 14/86 (Widely speculated 86 seats) = 7/43 of it and not even hits 1/5.