Lowering the social gap between the rich and the poor

likeyou SG

Meaning youths are to be blame for being overspend or rather spending beyond their limits? Rich are very mindful of the way they spend, poor, go drink coffee $1, eat coffee shop while youths go post resturants spend as if pap going to collapsed tomorrow.

Hmm...angel are not young either probably mid 30s. Born in Spore.

angel7030 SG

Hmm...angel are not young either probably mid 30s. Born in Spore.

me 21 going 22, ask some to them here who saw me before, after spending .70cents, i drop the .30cents into my piggy bank, that is call saving, Singaporean, especially my young frens lack the spirit and saving habit as cultured by their parents, today singapore youngs are spending on tomorrow earning and worst, some are spending on their parents hard earned money. Even got one boyfren who earn 5k per month at 22yo also say money not enough, buy fcuk fashion, spray Boss perfumes, drink at dlbO, outing at CQ, eat at posh restaurant, coffee at starbuck etc etc... sure lah, give you 10k also not enuf.

And with a paid of 5k, can tell me cannot buy HDB 4 room flat??? my goodness...how come last time, according to my grandma $300 paid only can buy HDB liao,...

angel7030 SG

Because today youth like me are nation treasures, to parents, we are like gold, must take care, with one or two, parents give all they have to them, want porsche also can, want condo also can....try their best,...son takes taxis, father takes MRT. Son little bit sick, go see specialist, father sick, buy medicine from the counter...these are the social changes that you see a different diversely cultured next generation. Who would want to be like me, go taiwan mountain and train for few months on life with a nun?? Most of my young frens said I siao liao...but frankly, most are blinded by materialism and capitalism..sad, but its true.

mancha SG

Nothing can be done about the widening income gap.

Just like nothing can be done about flooding in Singapore.

But the gap between the rich and the poor can be bridged.

Already the rich have no qualms about driving their Mercedes to go and grab free text books. The poor (taxidrivers, retirees etc) are paying $100 to gamble at the casinos and steal peoples chips.

Phantomnite SG

Go and read ba.....

At the end of the day I would rather be working in Switzerland than in Singapore ... period. You want to sour grapes carry on. I rather bite the bullet, voice my opinions and hope for change.

Kind Regards

Genie

Haha. I still think there is room for improvement for me in Singapore. I'm not chewing on some sour grapes here. But I think there are different pros and cons in each and every country. It depends on every individual. Some people like the laid back life they can live in Batam with their retired sum of money, while some people love living in a fast pace life still digging their gold mine.

As much as I do not like some of the policies meted out by the Government, I still think I'm more suitable for the style of the Singapore system.

Thanks a lot. Have already read the article. =)

And also, don't hit all the guys at once can. I almost everyday OT and taking part time courses okay. Life still not hard enough ah.

Phantomnite SG

But the gap between the rich and the poor can be bridged.

Already the rich have no qualms about driving their Mercedes to go and grab free text books. The poor (taxidrivers, retirees etc) are paying $100 to gamble at the casinos and steal peoples chips.

If they didn't gamble. They could have been richer.

mancha SG

We can never make the rich earn less, nor the poor earn more so that the incomes are more or less equal.

But we can bridge the gap between them, so that they intermingle

For starters, the rich and the poor can rub shoulders, each within their means, at supermarkets, shopping malls, restaurants, car parks, etc etc.

Of course the rich can afford more, the poor just one taste.

Fcukpap SG

its grossly impossible for income gaps to equalize in a capitalist countries...

though the visible hand of the government could intervene ....but this much they can do...the rest depends on individual hard work and unexpected luck ..

the black swan......

likeyou SG

But the gap between the rich and the poor can be bridged.

Already the rich have no qualms about driving their Mercedes to go and grab free text books. The poor (taxidrivers, retirees etc) are paying $100 to gamble at the casinos and steal peoples chips.

The bridge is broken.

mancha SG

This is the divide in other countries.

In Singapore, the divide is between HDB flats and condos, landed properties.

likeyou SG

If the gap is wider...there will be 2 different distinct class.

2 groups of pple living seperately. That will create tension and social unrest.

Spore cannnot afford to have this kind of situation.

Aceone10 SG

Talking about GST, let me give you another perspective.

The rich ppl run business and is not affected by the GST cos whatever GST they paid they will charge to others and/or claimed back from the authority.

For thos small businesses, they are not registered with GST, so their cost become 7% more, and comfortably charge it to the next and next and finally to the consumer.

Before the GST collectted under the service charges, which presume in this area the rich will spend more, who had already subsidised it all?

Phantomnite SG

Are you all jealous of the rich people money thats why some of you are trying to ask for government intervention to increase your pay so you can be on par with them? Sorry if this has offended anyone of you, this is what I have observed from some post where some people are pretty upset at rich people.

These rich people can be rich is because they know how to manipulate the laws and policies, and most importantly, they know how to save and not think only for short term luxury. If the common people in the streets like us can adhere to such habits, you would be surprise at how rich you are.

And many people living in pigeon hole HDB flats are quite well off. Just that they don't flaunt their wealth or waste on buying huge property. These people definitely didn't get rich by bugging the government to set a minimum wage in their job.

Social unrest if through material wealth have to be seen accordingly. If the person is paid unjustifiably, such as being paid $2 per hour, then that person has a reason to be unhappy. However, if that person is feeling sore because he/ she is earning that miserable $3000 per month, while others who are in a higher post through hard work are earning $12000, then what can the government do? Push him up artificially to sit at some major position to earn that amount?

If you are the boss, would you want to have minimum wage? Would you want to pay someone $2500 to do filing and basic admin work? I for one, would not want.

angel7030 SG

Talking about GST, let me give you another perspective.

The rich ppl run business and is not affected by the GST cos whatever GST they paid they will charge to others and/or claimed back from the authority.

For thos small businesses, they are not registered with GST, so their cost become 7% more, and comfortably charge it to the next and next and finally to the consumer.

Before the GST collectted under the service charges, which presume in this area the rich will spend more, who had already subsidised it all?

The key word here is consumer, do you want to be the consumer that paid the most Gst?? or do you want to eat at hawker centre to forgo it?? In fact, the most people who are paying Gst, which is a government tax and not the rich profit, are the middle class and some lower class people, the likes of managers, engineers, lecturers, etc etc...these people spend the most on luxuries goods that command Gst.

Fallen-Angel SG

If you got the outstanding ability, i believe the boss will raise your wages even if there is a rule on the minium wages thingy.

For example company A & Company B. Both with the minium wage of $2500 for that job scoop. You are outstanding in your work, & you ask for a raise. I don't think the company will be stupid enough not to raise your pay to prevent you frm skipping to another company.

charlize SG

Election is around the corner.

Lots of new posters suddenly popping up from nowhere.

Aceone10 SG

Phantomnite,

Base on your post, you dont know what is happening and you also probably have understanding problem. Does it sound offensive??

What most forumer here is not they are unhappy with the rich. But the stagnant pay for the past many years because of the under cutting foreigners. Yet cost of living is so much higher and instead of work and save, most are just meeting ends need. Cost of new HDB Flats compare to 10 yrs ago had increased by more then 50%. Usually young couple can buy a new HDB and pay with their CPF yet still have some left to save until 55 yrs old. Now not only CPF remain zero until 55, sooner or later the newer generation will have to top up with cash for monthly repayment. Since GST increased from 5 yo 7%, many things increased not just 2% but as much as 10% especially daily necessity and food. Do you thing hawkers got GST? So when they buy their raw material they have to pay for the increase so they increase more then the 2%. Like noodles from 2.50 increased to $3. What percentage increased you calculate yourselve.

Above are not new and if you dont know that so is time you start to learn, read and see more in another perspective instead of the control media news only.

charlize SG

Phantomnite,

Base on your post, you dont know what is happening and you also probably have understanding problem. Does it sound offensive??

Above are not new and if you dont know that so is time you start to learn, read and see more in another perspective instead of the control media news only.

In Singapore, apparently some people like to pay more and more for their basic goods and services despite depressed and stagnant salaries.

HDB flats costing half a million dollars?

Whee, let's pay for it.

Never mind if your salary has remained the same or has been decreased for the past few years.

Phantomnite SG

Phantomnite,

Base on your post, you dont know what is happening and you also probably have understanding problem. Does it sound offensive??

Above are not new and if you dont know that so is time you start to learn, read and see more in another perspective instead of the control media news only.

I'm quite surprised that you actually talked about my understanding skills. Not into personal attacks but I can see you are already taking it personally. Its alright. lol

Anyway, I think you have forgotten or did not see what I have posted in the front. I do not support minimum wage. But I support the lowering of the cost of living in Singapore with the help of the government. I don't read those controlled media news. They don't provide a good source of information good or bad, maybe you can learn this from me. hahaha.

Whatever it is, lowering the social gap between the rich and the poor is not about raising salary standard. If the person is really smart, you can never be on par with the rich person not matter how much the government bring in the income gap. Thus you might just gain an imaginary inflationary gain in your monetary status. Like that also shiok? Okay lor.

Aceone10 SG

Phantomnite,

Base on what you posted I did not misunderstand you. And please read my post probably before you shoot. I too did not claimed or in any of my post that support the idea of bridging the income gap. I too know this is not possible. My concept is only to bring down the necessity cost. So who had misunderstand. If you have read sources from others rather then contorlled media, probably you had not read alot and how can this issue on the GST is such a big issue back then and you had not read any calculation??

And I'm right also that you dont support minimum wages. But I dont think your statement is right to say to lower the cost of living by the help of the government, GOV is not god, they are elected and this is their JOB as it is the voice of the ppl who voted them.

I'm writing straight and I dont twist about like others who even twist the fact. I just put down my thought and the fact I understand. You may not agreed that is fine with me. But when someone start shooting others just because they have different opinion, I am game for the shooting. Just like Parn a foul mouth bit*h who shooting everyone just because of different thought. You want to be one of this bit*h by all means.

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