LKY-S'porean should not hv retirement!!

last SG · 2010-07-29T11:44:04+00:00

actually it'll be good if there was no retirement age. People can retire when they want to or can. why do they need a legal/customary definition?In the past,...

Disman SG

Hitman,

you got eat emperor crabs, kangroons meat in oz?

Terminator Hitman SG

kengkia,

ok then.

disman,

oz is not knwn for its crabs ....and seafood even though they advertised those guge crabs,,but me thinks its all propaganda...only thing big here are the crocodil;es and great white sharks that eat seals.need to hyave my own boat to catch fish.

kangeroo meat...i cant eat something thats so gentle and with sparkling baby eyes.....

eats only fish fingers and lamb.lamb is more evil lookin as compared to cow or other meats....swears i would end up becoming a vegetarian...me having heart beattin too fast due to red meat only in oz.fish comes only in cans or deep frozen.would love fish n seafood but unhealthy red meat is all they have over here.

parn SG

Yes i am one of the lunatics you are talking about. Why?

I have tried so hard to understand her, trying to be understanding and doing all in my might to achieve that, and yet she herself have stopped in my attempts over and over again. Ironically she still can said, i dun understand her as appear as i though....

If she want others to understand her and yet she herself keeps on closing up herself, tell me, you all.....how to understand her personally?

if she knows herself well enough to say i dun understand her, then i also must say she doesn't understand me well enough to label me a blackmailer. Out of sudden, out of the blue, i was accused of being a blackmailer to this person. I was devastated. Yes i admit keeping her reply PMs to me , but it was for me to retain her posting style, i like the way she had always done her posting. I like her for who she is, and since she put out an iron curtain against me, this is the only way for me to retain, any little bits of things about her.

Nevermind, i was and still being constantly misunderstood by people both online and in real life.

The problem is I did not say I want people to understand me.

Somebody like yourself just chose to believe your own imgainations that I wanted somebody to understand me.

Do you concur with your problem?

kengkia SG

放下屠刀,立地成佛.

parn SG

the problem is that you tried to assume whenever you form a opinion of me inside ya head, Are you so sure that what you think of me in sgf is correct in my RL that i am a MCP and women hater cum sex monster which you have claimed me to be?

I rather believe what I think than to believe what you think.

kengkia SG

放下屠刀,立地成佛.

kengkia SG

放下屠刀,立地成佛.

Annilator47 SG

1. The only reason that you have this fear of losing out to new citizens is because you and I and everyone else KNOW THIS TRUTH that Singaporeans are simply not united together as compared to citizens in other countries. Be it the excuse of Singaporeans do not have an identity and we're not loyal to the country and dislikes the government for no valid reason, with exception that we expects the government and the country to pamper us like Kings and Queens. And this is the childish attitude and behaviour that most if not all Singaporeans is adopting as their mindset at the present.

If Singaporeans were united with one another and take cares of one another as fellow citizens, do you think there is really any room for new citizens to contest any jobs with Singapore-born Singaporeans? Your Singaporean boss and superiors don't even want to take care of their fellow Singaporeans like yourself, and you DARE to come and tell bullshits in here and complained that new citizens are going to take away your jobs because of government policies???

How low and silly do you wish to sink further? Please wake up, because soon you are going to run out of people to BLAME! The root of the problem lies within yourself and the impoverished mindset of your own fellow Singaporeans!!!

Stop blaming the government because you are stupid ok?

2. So new citizens are not allowed to have dreams of their own? They need YOU to approve of their dreams? Who do you think you are to judge them anyway? Everybody also have their own dreams for their future, be it practical or not, it's just plain rude and insensible of you to judge people based on their dreams. How would you feel if I were to judge and ridicule your dreams? Why did people like you even exists in Singapore and I know ridiculous people like yourself are superbly common nowadays, but that doesn't means many wrong people like yourself are makes up for one right. You would rather they go to Canada than stay in Singapore if you really know the situation in Canada. Did you think that Canada is better than Singapore? If you did, then you are wrong and you should go to Canada and find out for yourself or talk to any Canadians.

3. Did the Government of LKY mentioned anything about not able to retrieve your precious CPF when he mentioned about not having retirement? Please open up your mind and read properly. Don't you know that you can continue to work and still continue to withdraw money out of your CPF when you have reached the age to withdraw money from your CPF?

The young cannot progress if the old doesn't move on?? I really don't know what kind of stupid world you have been exposed to. The young will still have jobs even if the old remains in the workforce. This means that the younger workers in the workforce will be able to learn and gain better skills in the workforce under the apprenticeship of the older workers. Then again, this brings up one of your common dilemma isn't it? Did you think that the older Singaporean workers will be unwilling to show the younger workers the ropes? Just how many older workers have you worked with and how many older workers have you actually spoken with and formed a genuine bond at your workplace? Do all the above first before you come and tell me you are qualified to comment about it. The simple fact is that younger workers are so full of bullshit dreams that they are the ones who are full of contempt for the older workers, thinking that they are outdated. If you are a young worker, and you have a good attitude towards your older and more experienced workers at work, you will do better and learn more than any of your high and mighty peers. It's all about the ATTITUDE of the younger workers!

Rest your case ah? Then make sure you really rest your case ok? That doesn't means that it is useless for me to reply back and it doesn't stop me for replying back, unlike your other fellow shallow peers.

But will my reply caused you to Unrest your case? That would be interesting to find out wouldn't it?

1) i think the person need to wake up is YOU!. i served my NS already, and yes we have a united mindest in getting the job done, you must be dreaming if you keep thinking or seeing on the shallow side that we are disunited.

already the signs are clear, we are united in this screwup of policies that is making things worst there rather than better, that simple enough for you to comprehend?

2)it is unfortunate that you missed the point: they are NOT loyal to the country, so why is the govt still giving them PR/citizenships?? in short they can run back to their countries at the first sign of trouble, but we can't, worst of it all , we have to grind our teeth and bear with it if we can , therefore i ask you in earnest : how much suffering and misery can a person take?? theres bound to be a breaking point, the longer it takes to happen, the worst the onslaught will be.

3) again you mised the point : in the past a person at age 55 could redraw half his savings and use what ever he can, for now it is NOT possible since you can only take a small amount around that age but it is unlikey to do that as the retirement age has been raised to 65.

4)as i point out in a simple reason or perhaps i point the loophole to this system:

do you want to be stuck in the lower rungs in your job till your life?? for example a technician has a pay of max 1.6 or maybe 1.8k, so is 20 to 30 years down the road earing that pay ok to you , add that to get married, raise kids, do you think that is enough? for kids on that scale maybe 1 is ok, but the country needs now is more than 2 or 3, add in the cost of living here, do you seriously think that with that pay you can managed without some rebates?

or say you are working as a clerk or admin assistant in say stat board or other place, if you expect that you can go up over your supervisors or manager if this was implemented, you are dreaming, your only shot at this chance is when they resign or go 6ft under by old age, which would be a very long wait, going by a assumed payroll of 1.2k a month , and wanting to lead a normal lofe, have a family, that would really pose a big problem to handling it.

please note that these are taken on a normal basis, not when you partner is earing 3-4k or more that 5k a month, not many singaporeans earn pay that high mostly are earing in the few hundreds to a max of 3k range

my suggest to you parn: go humble yourself, go out to kopitiams or anyplace and see it for yourself, go work temp is necessary, hear and observe in the background, then judge if what i am saying is right or wrong.

parn SG

already the signs are clear, we are united in this screwup of policies that is making things worst there rather than better, that simple enough for you to comprehend?

4)as i point out in a simple reason or perhaps i point the loophole to this system:

1. LOL...united in NS with a group of guys that you are familiar with. How about united with a group of Singaporeans guys and girls that you are not familiar with? It's better for you to shut up and suck your thumb if you don't know what I meant. Don't make a fool of yourself when you're already a fool.

2. How do you know people are not loyal to their countries? Do you believe what you hear or you believe only what you want to hear? Would you have preferred them to say they are loyal to Singapore instead? Would you have believe them even though they had proclaimed that kind of loyalty? The fact is that you have already made up your mind to distrust and condemn these people, that you would find all sort of excuses to condem them regardless of what they do or say.

If you really need to hear them talk about their loyalty to Singapore, you can always visit the immigration place where they new citizens are swear in everyday.

Else, stop finding excuses for your own incompletence.

3. What has this issue got to do with the topic? If this is an existing issue before the comments were made, then it is certainly not going to be affected or related to the topic we are discussing.

Please don't bring up your old Grandmother stories and come here and pour out your grievances, because I don't care about your whiny tales.

4. The biggest loophole here is obviously the one inside your brain. If you have already chosen and decided to look so low upon yourself and your future, then no matter what happened in the future would only seems to make things worse in your own pathetic life.

Why not do some soul-searching and find some positive aspects of your life and strive to find even more positive aspects in your life in the future?

Looking at your current attitude and mindset towards your own future and life, I can tell you that I am not surprised you are so BITTER against every single policies that the government is adopting.

It's easy to whine and complain about other people behind their backs, in this case...it's the government. Do you ever use your brain to think of solutions to help yourself?? Keep relying on the government or any other people is not going to make you do any better than them, in fact it is only going to ensure that you are always worse off than them. Do you not understand my points at all?

Seriously I pitied those people who agreed with you and those who mixed with you. No positive energies could be read from your posts, and I can tell you if you don't change your mindset and start looking for solutions to help yourself, you are still going to be stuck in the same shit even when you're 55 years old.

By then, take a look back and see what you have changed in your lives to improve your situations in your past, present and future.

Instead of hanging out with kopitiam uncles and listen to the voices of the LOSERS, why not change a location and go listen to the voices of the WINNERS?

Since you are so guilable and easily influenced and superbly lazy and incredibly gifted in whining, why don't you change into someone that is NOT YOU? That would makes a vast improvement in your life and I can guarantee you that you will see the difference!

Continue to humble yourself if you are lacking alot in the self-confidence department. I don't need a person with low self-esteem to advise me anything because I am certainly not heading towards the same kind of path or sharing the same kind of future as that person.

Try to suggest some constructive solutions in your post, it will not only help you but also benefits others.

Annilator47 SG

it seems your refusal to investigate is obvious

also you refuse to take the past to link it to the present and the future to see the whole big picture.

so if thats the way you believe it..good luck then, i hope you don't end up betrayed in your own dreams.

if the greatest challenge is to prove who is right or wrong is only fate and time, i have plenty of time for that if i have a long life

last of all best wishes to your mindset since it cannot see beyond the bigger picture.

parn SG

it seems your refusal to investigate is obvious

also you refuse to take the past to link it to the present and the future to see the whole big picture.

so if thats the way you believe it..good luck then, i hope you don't end up betrayed in your own dreams.

if the greatest challenge is to prove who is right or wrong is only fate and time, i have plenty of time for that if i have a long life

last of all best wishes to your mindset since it cannot see beyond the bigger picture.

Since when you were empowered to investigate the Government? What have you investigated in your life? I can accept that you're just a normal Singaporean who tends to brag and lie alot to make up for your lack of ability.

Linking the past, present and future? Who told you say something like that? Is it because it is going to sound cool?? I can tell you that you are a fake person with no dreams and hopes whatsoever if that is really what you think.

You cannot change the PAST, You cannot do anything about the PRESENT, You don't know what is in the FUTURE. And whatever things you have decided to do, regardless of the PAST and PRESENT, will definitely change YOUR OWN FUTURE.

It's not going to affect my future or anyone else's future, it is just going to affect your own future.

If right and wrong is so important to you that you are willing to wait for it, then I can say that you're just a terribly immature and childish person and I hope you're not stubborn, because if you chose to stick by what you have wrote like a person of your own words, then I can tell you that you are just plain wasting your lives away and the time wasted will only become regrets which will definitely haunt you in your own future. By all means, go ahead and kill your own future because I really don't care about you. I doubt there is even anyone around you that actually cares for you. Looking at the way you have expressed your opinions, you do not know what is true friendship and definitely you do not look forward to your own future because you have been blaming everyone for your own predicament. Yes, this very predicament and frustrations that you are facing in your real life at the very moment.

People don't get betray by their own dreams, they only get disappointed by their own expectations and many fools like yourself, think too highly of your demands and expectations that you imagined that is really your dream? Dreams aren't real before they were realised. You cannot be betrayed by something that DOES NOT EXIST!

If you insisted that you can be betrayed by your dreams, then I will ask you to stop dreaming and faster wake up to reality. Because it's more worthwhile for you to admit that you have tried your best chasing after an impossible dream than to admit failure and surrender even before you have even tried chasing after any dreams you have bragged so much to so many people.

I don't blame you if you believed that I cannot see beyond the future, because nobody can see beyond the future. It's more fun not knowing about the future and it's more meaningful to find someone you loved to find out about the future together with.

But to make fun and poke at your naive and fragile mind, I can tell you that you will die in the future. I think that's really more than enough for you to admit that I can not only see beyond the future, but I can also see YOUR FUTURE.

Annilator47 SG

it is from the mistakes of the past that the we can voice out the present flaws and prevent mistakes from happening again in the future, based on your last post you contradicted yourself here as calling me incompetent which i believe here in the forums is against the rules.

It's not going to affect my future or anyone else's future, it is just going to affect your own future.

i won't be saying this mistake if it was my own future, it is also for others who are in the same general position here, by saying this you have already set in motion on what is based on YOUR own view, not others.

i believe you are mentioning yourself ,

FYI:

theres a hidden agenda in this..read carefully

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ong_Teng_Cheong

and if you refuse to believe it then it's ok but the general view is that this already has EXISTED. so look whos talking

in all you have self contridcted yourself and like what the other forumers said :'self denial mode"

basically your way of attacking me is EPIC FAIL. when you left may loopholes in your post that self contradicted each other, to sum it all you also open to all to let others seeing this post witness what type of person you really are : immature and childish . :)

parn SG

It's not going to affect my future or anyone else's future, it is just going to affect your own future.

i believe you are mentioning yourself ,

FYI:

theres a hidden agenda in this..read carefully

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ong_Teng_Cheong

and if you refuse to believe it then it's ok but the general view is that this already has EXISTED. so look whos talking

in all you have self contridcted yourself and like what the other forumers said :'self denial mode"

Nobody is perfect, including yourself. And if you chose to pick on the mistake that will help you in your rebellious clause, then you are nothing more than just a trouble-maker, rebel, traitor of your own country, disturber of public peace, terrorist. So many names out there that shares the similar traits which you have protrayed in here.

The fact is clear, you have no real reason nor valid grievances but you chose to imagine and cook up false reasons to fuel your irresponsible hatred or clause which is out to affect the minds of many and to create a complicated future for everyone.

Really, INCOMPETENT rebels like yourself should be locked up and taken away for eternity. Really INCOMPETENT rebel trash, truly INCOMPETENT bragging rebel. Did I focused on some words that you are unable to accept in particular?

Don't be naive and believe that other people would risk their stable future in exchange with your INCOMPETENT future..if you even had any future to begin with.

But as usual, you may create more clones like this particular account you have created just to argue with me. Do you think that I am not aware which is your real account? It's so easy to see from this topic alone. Now do you understand why I said you are an INCOMPETENT rebel?

Using my own words against myself doesn't really affects me because it's my original comments and you are just an INCOMPETENT piece of trash who can only try this much to throw my own words back at me because you have a terribly limited and INCOMPETENT vocabulary. I really pity and still amused when that's the best comeback you can return back at me. And why are you so stupid to really go and read what I have wrote to you and be so affected by my words? Did your INCOMPETENT imaginations also tell you that I might be affected by my own words? Is that also from one of your betraying dreams?

Contempt is only use for opportunitist who thinks that they can do me some harm by being patient and lying low for a good opportunity to earn my trust. In this sense, I have more information from people warning me against you than you have imagined.

Why bring up our ex-President to fuel your clause and use a respectable dead person as your shield? Truly, only rebels are specialised in such low behaviour. Did you do anything to love and protect and warn our ex-President? Did you do anything to save him? What good did you do after his death? You are simply an INCOMPETENT person who constantly needs to dwell and dig on the past mistakes to assure and console yourself that you are doing the right thing. People who knows they are doing the right things, do not need questioned or seeked out any reasons to prove that they are doing the right things. And the more reasons you tried to cough out for me, the more obvious and clear it is for other people to see just how INCOMPETENT you are as a person if you need to use a dead person as a reason to fight for your own bragging rights. Fight for your own reasons, nobody will believe you even if you chose to fight for some dead person. Because the fact is clear, HE DOES NOT KNOW YOU AND YOU ARE NOT RELATED TO HIM. You are just using a dead person as an excuse to cause trouble. If that's not low and INCOMPETENT, then it must be childish and immature.

I don't believe what you say and I don't think you have any reasons for your clause.

But one thing is true, people who are INCOMPETENT of standing up for what they believed it, definitely do not earn the rights to label other people's post as EPIC FAIL.

However if that does happens, then the INCOMPETENT person is usually the one who has failed terribly and requires the utmost need to console himself and cheer himself up by labelling the post of the winning person as EPIC FAIL.

This is really a perfect example of true self-denial.

Annilator47 SG

obviously your post all spell only 1 thing- personal attack

you keep calling me incompetent and also useless but you yourself offer no other alternative to the good of why the retirement age should have no limits.

you think that i use a dead person as a bragging rights, have some respect young lady as he was also a president of singapore, to say me useless, yes, at that timeonly, but what is past is past, this is a mistake that should not and must not happen , igf you are saying that i am incompetent, then why am i posting here to remind that this mistake is not repeated?? care to answer that?

if you seriously think that i come up here on allegations, seriously you are wrong, i lived thru this mess, so i know , true, no person is prefect but it from the way this govt is doing things it dosn't take much for a person to realize something is very wrong here and a change is needed and fast.

you seek to challange me but so far i have only deflected your attacks, only to find that it come back bouncing to me with a stronger note , you yourself refuse to be the flexible one here, not me.

you are trying to prove me as a self denial person: well then how can i have self denial when i speak and type from my heart that has none?

well if you keep insisting that your right , by all means the winner in your mindset has been you all the time, but you choose to lose by constantly attacking me and generally showing people who view here that the real loser is yourself when you keep chanting me "loser- loser loser" in all your last 3 post, this was self created by you, endorsed by you too.

basically i have nothing to lose that all.

p.s you call those kopitiam pple losers, i guess you didn;t know that some of them may have been your parents or grandparents former bossesor co -workers, whom in turm created into what is today the life that you live , by call them losers is areadly proven that who is the ungrateful one here.

tirmcdohl SG

you keep calling me incompetent and also useless but you yourself offer no other alternative to the good of why the retirement age should have no limits.

to be fair, parn did explain herself in her first post here.. see below..

I think what Papa Smurf meant is that companies should not have the power to fire/sack/terminate employees using the excuse of retirement.

Of course employees have the right to leave the job if they do not wish to work for the company anymore on their own freedom of choice and decision.

Just imagined if you're receiving a generous sum of salary package from the company that you are working for and have been working for a long time ... DO YOU WISH THE COMPANY TO TERMINATE YOUR EMPLOYMENT USING THE EXCUSE OF RETIREMENT??

Please...Singaporeans, please think more positively and exit your shallow-mindset. The Government aren't out to make your life difficult!

parn SG

obviously your post all spell only 1 thing- personal attack

you keep calling me incompetent and also useless but you yourself offer no other alternative to the good of why the retirement age should have no limits.

you seek to challange me but so far i have only deflected your attacks, only to find that it come back bouncing to me with a stronger note , you yourself refuse to be the flexible one here, not me.

you are trying to prove me as a self denial person: well then how can i have self denial when i speak and type from my heart that has none?

basically i have nothing to lose that all.

Challenge you? Why would I want to challenge an INCOMPETENT trash?

Take a look at page 4 and you will see which INCOMPETENT trash tried to challenge my post by quoting and replying it. And my post wasn't even meant for you.

Why do you want to make a fool out of yourself by saying I did not offer an alternative perspective to the topic? Go and read my first reply in this topic and I believe it shouldn't be too difficult for an INCOMPETENT piece of trash to do it. But if you're just lazy, I can understand your INCOMPETENCY.

Are you really afraid to admit that you started this argument by replying to my post which wasn't even meant for you in the first place? If you are not able to admit what you have done, then it is just a perfect example of self-denial.

I am right and you are wrong. If you don't agree, then you may continue to set many examples of self-denial.

If you chose to listen and believe in what the losers in the kopitiam are saying, then you are just another loser like them. Did you think you are going to be wiser by believing in a bunch of losers?

There are losers and winners and neutral people everywhere, and that also includes people in kopitiam. Looking at your mindset and the dim future that you have decided to believe and endeavour in, it was super obvious that you have chosen to believe in the wrong group of people in the kopitiam.

Really, so what if people related or whom I have known had one of those loser mindset? People are supposed to have an opinion of their own. But compared to you, at least they know what they are after and their opinion came originally from themselves. You only try to listen and adopt and then come here and make some noise because you believe you really know what other people know and believed in?

Bottomline, nobody wish for a bad future and that's why everyone is working hard and trying their best to make a better live for themselves and their loved ones.

People like yourself only desires some form of sick recognition from anonymous people in this forum by talking your unwisely nonsense. What is your real agenda actually? What do you stand to gain by throwing people's future off the balance? If you are not a trouble-maker, then you are just a society failure who is just trying his luck to assure himself that he may be a society failure but at least he is not an online failure?

I don't care what you want. But if you want to post nonsense, you are free to do so. But IF you want to quote and reply to my post and opinion, then you must make sure that you know what I am talking about first and you are prepared to see it till the end.

Regardlessly, this will NOT END until you stop your nonsense. Afterall, you tried to challenge my post with your nonsense, and I don't have a reason to give in, especially when I am having fun telling you off and pointing out all your INCOMPETENCIES.

ChoCoChips SG

psst,

ish Incompetent.

parn SG

psst,

ish Incompetent.

Oh you make me look so bad again, but thank you for making me look better.

littlemissbonkers SG

Oh you make me look so bad again, but thank you for making me look better.

LOL!

CCC ish a grammar nazi

tirmcdohl SG

LOL!

CCC ish a grammar nazi

CCC is a nazi?

Did you shout heil furher and raise your right arm?

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