Has CSJ lied?Chiam See Tong was kicked out by CSJ:Mrs Chiam.

last SG · 2010-03-31T10:58:17+00:00

csj causes more disunity among the opposition that than the pap can ever do.

Atobe SG

The agenda of a PAP Agent is quite obvious especially as the build-up toward the expected Election 2010 becomes even more high strung.

What else can be expected from the bankrupt mind of a noisy pussy except to exercise its brain that is no bigger then a ‘clitoris’ - and draw attention to it noisy pussy by flapping its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ ?

yes. CST resigned, may be he was then very angry.

1. But why did SDP ,ie CSJ,inform Speaker of Parilement on the same day

that Chiam was expelled fr SDP?

Did Chee want to had a By Election?

This made CST not eligible of the MP seat,becos he won the seat

under SDP ticket!!

Was it not a process for the Speaker of Parliament to be informed that the political party has expelled its member who is an elected Member of Parliament ?

This was an unprecendented event that Singapore has never witnessed, and no political party has any experience with.

Should not the Speaker of Parliament be informed with some degree of immediacy for advise and guidance on policy matters to be resolved ?

What would the other consequence be - if the SDP did not inform the Speaker of Parliament that its own Member of Parliament has been evicted from the party on which it had won the representative right ?

Only a noisy pussy will wish to create more ruckus on a 17 year old dead issue.

Mrs Chiam said (opening post):

1993年8月20日：被民主党开除党籍

中委会也在同日把这项决定通知国会议长

2. Chee Soon Juan staged hunger strike without approval of CEC

of SDP. Why did CEC not discipline him Chee?

Was the hunger strike concerning any issues involving the SDP - or was the hunger strike a PERSONAL protest to the PERSONAL attacks instituted and directed by the Head of the NUS Faculty - who was a PAP Old Guard - towards CSJ, who was a lecturer in the same faculty ?

Was the hunger strike about politics involving the SDP, or was it due to the charges levied towards CSJ ?

3. During the disciline hearing of Chiam,why then then vice Chairman

called few strong men to prevent other members to observe proceeding

"由中委会组成的审判团只允许詹时中孤军作战，副主席黄汉照甚至找来一帮彪形大汉守在门外，不让支持詹时中的干部进去声援"

Why did CST not called for a court injunction to stop the proceedings ?

He is a lawyer - who is familiar with the law.

Or is he as useless towards his personal political affairs - as he has displayed himself to be with his inactive role in Parliament about politics played out by the PAP against the interests of all Singaporeans ?

4.Mrs Chiam said,Chee only invited Chiam to attend SDP 30 th annversiary,

through other people and thro SMS! What is it?

If Chee was sincere, Chee should call Chiam lah...

"民主党虽有透过手机简讯托人邀请我们出席，"

The pettiness of a woman knows no limits.

Can it be believed that all those who attended the SDP 30th Anniversay did not receive an invitation card or letter ?

Or has the more likely truth been suppressed that the aged and proud CST needed personal invitation by those who knew him - and to persuade him personally ?

At the end of it all - why is Mdm CST making an issue of this - as CST did turn up at the 30th Anniversay event as seen in the foto below.

Or is the noisy pussy putting words in the mouth of Mdm CST ?

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From Chee body language, he seems very cold and proud.

In Chinese tradition, u should use 2 hands to hold your friend.

Also, one hand behind Chee's back speak volume for Chee's

feeling!

It seems only one hand each was extended to the other, and that each kept one hand behind the back - are there volumes to be spoken about CST's feelings - as much as there is to be read for Chee ?

Should it not be a cautious approach of two adults that showed sincere respect for the occassion - then displaying any kind of hypocritical warmth laced with the artificial boisterous "ruh-ha-ha" - given the history between them ?

Stupidity seems to know no bounds with those determined to make its own history as a noisy pussy.

This is Chee reponses

An open letter to all opposition supporters

If CSJ was LKY - or the present SDP is the PAP - Singaporeans will be entertained by a high profile law suit taken by CSJ against Mdm CST - for the uncalled for and very personal attacks made more then 10 years late - and which the noisy pussy has claimed Mdm CST to have made.

A legal suit in an open court would have straightened events and allowed everyone in Singapore to find out the real events within the SDP that led to the majority of the members to cast their vote of no confidence towards CST - who was the SDP founder and leader then.

The events are less then 14 years ago, and many of the members are still around and the historical events are still fresh in their minds.

Will CSJ and SDP behave as the Lee's and the PAP - to cut someone else down to save their own face ?

It maybe of interest to the ignorant noisy pussy that democratic practices are more evident in the SDP then in any other political party that maintain a 'kiasi-and-kiasu' mentality to protect the position of the party founders and leadership.

Election to the SDP Executive Committee is open to the entire membership of the SDP - while the PAP and the SPP (led by CST) share common features that are undemocratic - featuring three classes of membership, and access to be a member of the Executive Committee is selective and closed door.

Is there any political party that will willingly offer a level field to its members ?

We can hardly depend on a noisy pussy to be honest even with its pretentious self.

Acidshuriken SG

What possibly could be the basis of your statement ?

Such unfounded and unsubstantiated statement can only cause more confusion that has been deliberately created by the PAP that serves no benefit for Singaporeans.

Can your statement be closer to the truth when in a SDP Forum organised in 2009 saw the participation from some members of the Alternative Parties that actually turned up and offered to co-operate ?

‘What was Ng Teck Siong from Reform Party doing at the SDP Forum ?’

‘What was Sin Kek Tong from SPP doing at the SDP Forum ?’

The SDP Forum also saw the participation of ‘Tan Kin Lian’ and ‘Chia Ti Lik’ - as well as prominent political activists and bloggers.

Can you bear to see the truth that brings hope to Singaporeans ?

one forum only and you say sdp is their bro? what abt past events? i don't hear sdp. remember ltk once said, opposition is watchdog not mad dog. ok maybe i grant you this - sdp is changing as nowadays not so civil disobedience and that is why other opposition parties are open to hearing them out and give them face attend the event. but cst not there. ltk not there right?

Atobe SG

CST is already retiring from politics - why will he attend the forum in 2009 - when he had a stroke then and had undergone some medical treatment then ?

‘Sin Kek Tong - Chairman of SPP was at the SDP Forum’ - is that not enough ?

So did ‘Ng Teck Siong from Reform Party - who was also at the SDP Forum’

Civil disobediance is only a tool to educate the 'kiasi-kiasu' mentality of an already apathic Singapore population that has been depoliticised by the deliberate schemes of LKY so as to allow himself full control.

The fact that CSJ was prepared to be in the forefront to act out his social leadership role in civil disobedience will speak alot for himself - in being prepared to do what he preach unlike LKY's who prefer that Singaporeans does as he direct, and not do what he does for himself.

‘Tan Kin Lian’ and ‘Chia Ti Lik’ were also at the SDP Forum and both advocated the continued public education of the Citizenship Rights to Singaporeans - to awaken the Singaporeans from their deep political slumber as their political future is at stake.

LTK said alot - has he said it as well as Sylvia Lum ?

As a political watch-dog - how effective has LTK been when the majority of Singaporeans are unaware of the achievements or effectiveness of himself and the WP ?

Samuel Lee SG

But whatever it is, we must analyze the facts given.

1:) Mdm Chiam said that those CEC were too proud of themselves, believing that they can win in the next GE and possibly forming their own government.

Why? Because CST had such proud feeling, more or less.

What? Evidence: Actually, I could say that the reason why 1991 was a huge success for the oppositions who won 4 SMCs and many near to win a seat (40% and above was common) , the highest record ever, was because apart of isolated incident such as Lady MP wiped her hands after shook her hands with a fishmonger or whatever "peasants", the disqualification of the late JBJ. Yes, because the last election prior to 1991 was 1988, which was a shocking election / sudden election / early election but not a by election where effectively bar JBJ from election, which the effect for JBJ's conviction will be ended after 1991/2. Thus, people are not happy with the fact that the ruling party is using such tricks to bar JBJ and vote for the oppositions.

2:) It was more or less Chiam's fault for recruiting Chee in, because the very fact that the response from GCT, the then PM to public's anger, was to hold a by election in Marine Parade GRC, which was his consitiutency. GCT said that he will hold all the responsibilities should he lost his seat. However, the oppositions was not in united, and resulted into SDP wants to fight GCT, WP should have sent JBJ and his team to fight GCT, and 2 other smaller parties (NSP and SJP --- a more or less defunct party by now since most of the people had switched to SPP) also want to contest against GCT. Lol! This is why Chee is in, and created a lot of fuss. And, obviously, the reason for SDP to fight GCT is because should the WP wins, 1MP (Hougang -- won in 1991) + 4 MP from this GRC = 5MP from WP and the opposition leader's position is given to Low instead (Since SDP had 3 seats back then, Chiam is the official opposition leader). Anyway, it was Chiam's folly to create such a mess. It was his over confidence that led to his downfall since such effects was spreaded to the whole SDP.

However, the above seemed to be critizing Chiam a lot, now let's look at why Dr Chee should be "Chee Bye Kia" or Dr Cheezy.

1: A hunger strike is a hunger strike. It is not supposed to use Glucose to replenish body, except, possibly, water. While people can say this is a disgrace to himself, what is certain is that "CBK" is an iconic figure for SDP, people will naturally associate this with SDP, despite it was not SDP's protest against PAP but rather a personal retaliation against his senior on NUS. I think that a 16 year old boy can do better than him in this regards. (I got even tried to save $8 a day, by skipping lunch and dinner and even water, which the water was drank minimally, although I did have some milo ONLY at late night at home lol!)

2: It seemed that CSJ is manipulating the CEC. If not why would the then vice chairman needs some "bodyguards" to block their members for observing the hearings? Neither is such acts a democratic act!

Rock^Star SG

lionnoisy is just a chinaman turned singaporean with shitty english. Go back china la.

Samuel Lee SG

lionnoisy is just a chinaman turned singaporean with shitty english. Go back china la.

Rock^Star is someone who has no roots of what your race is, go back to US / UK la.

Rock^Star SG

Rock^Star is someone who has no roots of what your race is, go back to US / UK la.

I think you are confused between racial segregation and racial roots.

Samuel Lee SG

I think you are confused between racial segregation and racial roots.

It makes no difference, especially the former is generally outlawed.

Atobe SG

But whatever it is, we must analyze the facts given.

1:) Mdm Chiam said that those CEC were too proud of themselves, believing that they can win in the next GE and possibly forming their own government.

Why? Because CST had such proud feeling, more or less.

Can this be considered evidence, or simple speculation based on personal preferred interpretation of what events were then ?

What a sad convulted muck of events that serves more to confuse a wild theory then offer any clearer vision to prove Mdm Chiam's words to be any more hollow.

However, the above seemed to be critizing Chiam a lot, now let's look at why Dr Chee should be "Chee Bye Kia" or Dr Cheezy.

Is " skipping lunch and dinner and even water, which the water was drank minimally" anything similar to "hunger strike with water and glucose" ?

Before calling anyone a CBK - have you tried to survive on water -minus the glucose - for thirty days ?

If you have not then you may wish to wear a tag by dropping the letter "K" and replacing it with a "M" - that will spell you accurately as another "CBM".

Were you present at the event in 1993 - when the CEC was preventing members for observing the hearings, or are you simply depending on Mdm Chiam's version of what events were then ?

It seems to be such an irony that CST - who created Singapore Democratic Party - had preferred a mirror image of the non-democratic CEC model used in the PAP to control his SDP.

It resulted in his CEC kicking him out of the SDP - with him and Mdm Chiam now crying "Foul".

Since the departure of CST, the CEC in the SDP has been made more open, and nothing similar to the old PAP style CEC.

Unfortunately, CST had continued to prefer this non-democratic CEC method of controlling his minions in his new SPP.

Samuel Lee SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

Is " skipping lunch and dinner and even water, which the water was drank minimally" anything similar to "hunger strike with water and glucose" ?

Before calling anyone a CBK - have you tried to survive on water -minus the glucose - for thirty days ?

I try to discuss objectively and not to again spark a flame war. However, it is similar because both do not eat anything afterall!

And why should I try to survive on water minus glucose for 30 days when he is not doing that as well (Usually the 7th day or approaching that will seriously need a medical staff to be around or so, but there was records on other countries who have tried that)?

What a sad convulted muck of events that serves more to confuse a wild theory then offer any clearer vision to prove Mdm Chiam's words to be any more hollow.

What is this again??!! Fact is fact, fact is that the Marine Parade by election in 1992 was meant for the late JBJ to participate in the elections and the 're-rise' of him, because the GE held in 1991 instead of 1992 / 1993 and the intention is no clearer than to prevent him from rising again from a GE! Sadly, Chiam failed to see this point and insisted on fighting GCT in 1992 Marine Parade BE, and the reason is no obvious than he is self-fish, worrying that he will lose his 'opposition leader' position, after the win by JBJ (IF) in this BE, with a clear of 5 WP and 3 SDP (Including Chiam) MP in parliment.

It is because Chiam's selfishness / lack of tactics, that results in a folly to recruit CBK, who have a CBM supporter like you. However, even if how CBK is he, still better than a Puppy Bolt dog anyway.

No -- All these are not my interpretion and copyrights attributed to me. There was an article pointed this very fact somewhere. By the way, the then DPM Lee, did mentioned in private that Chiam was not that smart regarding the Marine Parade BE. So afterall, the downfall of SDP and the opposition can only blame on CST and CSJ, while the former make the opposition's image looked not as smart and capable while the CSJ made the opposition's image looked like a crook, ...., and dishonest --- Since a hunger strike is still a hunger strike, should go without glucose at all, probably not for 30 days but 4 days surely can. (I did almost reached there just for the sake of pocket money, so dont try to be funny)

Atobe SG

I try to discuss objectively and not to again spark a flame war. However, it is similar because both do not eat anything afterall!

Your present remark is quite a change now that you have stated that - "it is similar because both do not eat anything afterall!" - compared to your earlier statement about CSJ and your own bravado act of skipping meals.

Your interpretation of events are merely perceptions of what you think you are seeing as an general observer to the unfolding events - and even if you are present in 1992/1993 - you are still an outsider observing and interpreting.

Perceptions are merely perceptions - it is quite different from hard evidence.

It is those with a brain that is the size of a clit that will think about CBK as it flaps its own CBM - is it any surprise that there are quite a few around lately that indulges in exercising the CB's ?

"for the sake of pocket money" - even a beggar will be willing to go on a hunger strike - can this be any funnier ?

You cannot disclaim your own positon to be a rehash from some article - unless you can produce that article that you claimed - it remains to be your own interpretation.

Even if that article is produced - the author is also subject to critical reviews of his or her work, which must be substantiated from clear, justifiable and reasonable view or interpretation of events that can stand up to scrutiny by the intended readers..

If you shoot a sweeping statement in public - you better be prepared to make a stand to hold your position, or modify it so as to make it more reasonably acceptable.

Samuel Lee SG

Perceptions are merely perceptions - it is quite different from hard evidence.

"for the sake of pocket money" - even a beggar will be willing to go on a hunger strike - can this be any funnier ?

You cannot disclaim your own positon to be a rehash from some article - unless you can produce that article that you claimed - it remains to be your own interpretation.

If you shoot a sweeping statement in public - you better be prepared to make a stand to hold your position, or modify it so as to make it more reasonably acceptable.

http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/chee-soon-juan-blames-everyone-except.html

Read the above. The Factor 1 is what I have read from ages!

And to make things not as confusing, a hunger strike is not to eat things as to spread out the protest / unhappy view out while a skipping meal just for pocket money, for the word itself, is meant to save money by not using it for food.

While the intentions for both are different in any apsect, but the consequences is similar, by having a successful hunger strike, people may give in somewhat (May not in a failed case, just like this joker) and the latteral is having more pocket money, for whatever uses (Unless the person quits after a temptation to eat). Both are not so good for health either. So it is similar in some sense. Also, for beggar case, is more towards the latteral rather than hunger strike, since the intention is different.

parn SG

Rebels fighting amongst themselves, how exciting it is to know.

Atobe SG

http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/chee-soon-juan-blames-everyone-except.html

Read the above. The Factor 1 is what I have read from ages!

Who is the Bear in your referenced article that you have depended on for your views - http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/chee-soon-juan-blames-everyone-except.html ?

What are its credentials ?

It is just another blogger that is no better then the opinions offered by you and I - and you consider it an authority of the events that unfolded in 1992 / 1993 ?

The Straits Times being a propaganda mouthpiece of the PAP would have been more credible.

Samuel Lee SG

Who is the Bear in your referenced article that you have depended on for your views - http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/chee-soon-juan-blames-everyone-except.html ?

What are its credentials ?

It is just another blogger that is no better then the opinions offered by you and I - and you consider it an authority of the events that unfolded in 1992 / 1993 ?

The Straits Times being a propaganda mouthpiece of the PAP would have been more credible.

But what is certain is that portion (Like the first part) of it are spreaded widely on the net, do some research please.

Atobe SG

But what is certain is that portion (Like the first part) of it are spreaded widely on the net, do some research please.

There are many bloggers on the internet equipped with a loose lip and a clit for a brain.

It will be prudent for you to learn to be more circumspect with the details offered, and take all that come your way with a pinch of salt to be acutely discerning in filtering out what is clearly speculatively controversial and derogatory of anyone..

Too much hot air can surely get one into trouble, especially when you will prefer to accept such views and proudly repeat the same hot air as your own.

Samuel Lee SG

There are many bloggers on the internet equipped with a loose lip and a clit for a brain.

Too much hot air can surely get one into trouble, especially when you will prefer to accept such views and proudly repeat the same hot air as your own.

Ok, but what it is is still a majority of Singaporeans, except the maybe 20% of the hardcore oppositions supporter who will still support CSJ and his SDP, is willing to vote for PAP or spoilt their vote. And all these is caused by CST and CSJ, both caused some shame to the oppositions in the different perspectives. (Remember, even CST managed to remain his seat, his whopping majority of 69% votes in 1991 had drastically fallen to no more than 56% in 1997 up to today.

Atobe SG

It will be safer for you not to indulge with numbers as matters stand.

CSJ is a non-factor in the political equation until he gets out of his bankruptcy.

SDP under a new leadership and with its role as a public educator and champion to the political rights of Singaporeans will soon draw new favor - when one consider the dismal performance of the two successful Alternative Parties in Parliament - and their role to protect Singaporeans' political rights and interests.

Reform Party will be the next political party to watch and it will make a few surprises on its own merit.

Samuel Lee SG

It will be safer for you not to indulge with numbers as matters stand.

CSJ is a non-factor in the political equation until he gets out of his bankruptcy.

Reform Party will be the next political party to watch and it will make a few surprises on its own merit.

Maybe, but that is true for 2001. 1997 is considered he being lucky as he managed to get 34 or 38% of the votes in Macpherson?? I really wonder what if he went for another SMC -- will he get like 22% of the votes, same as Ling?

Herzog_Zwei SG

There are many bloggers on the internet equipped with a loose lip and a clit for a brain.

Too much hot air can surely get one into trouble, especially when you will prefer to accept such views and proudly repeat the same hot air as your own.

You got tits for brains like hum7030 and clitoris for mouth.

You only got hot air and no ideas.

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