No O levels, but he earns $4,000 a month

last SG · 2010-03-19T13:45:46+00:00

remebers picking up money in a big field when i was in primary school.all those dumb classmates of mine by the hundreds run around the big field and all thei...

Checker. SG

what about the big 4 - some of their staff camp at their work station

sinicker SG

i am proud to say that my dad is a crane operator at PSA for 35 years now.

humble job, save $ properly, send all 3 kids to uni..... & still working hard, shift work. tonight night shift!

soul_rage SG

i wager a lot of them come from the same idiots who rant against the MIW...

btw.. spoiling a vote is still making a statement.. that they do not appreciate the incumbent... and cannot in good faith vote for the opponent... they made their choice that none of the people standing is good enough...

for the enemy of your enemy may not be your friend...

and just because candidate one is horrible, doesn't mean that candidate two isn't...

in the end, if people depended on politicians for their personal welfare and happiness, they kinda deserve whatever shit the politician scumbag wring them for...

ultimately, politicians are all parasites... they need us but we, the people, if we are mature enough, don't need them at all..

Spoiling the vote is not a good statement. It only serves to keep the PAP in power. If a person wants a change to the current situation, spoiling the vote is useless, meaningless, and absolutely irresponsible.

It's like, "don't blame me for anything. It's not my fault. Someone else voted for the PAP or the opposition"

It's a bunch that has no guts to go with the opposition, or against the PAP, and instead choose to aid the PAP indirectly by spoiling their votes. They are no different from those who vote the PAP coz they don't care, they fear the PAP, etc.

soul_rage SG

i am proud to say that my dad is a crane operator at PSA for 35 years now.

humble job, save $ properly, send all 3 kids to uni..... & still working hard, shift work. tonight night shift!

Actually, crane operators in PSA are very well taken care of. To put it simply, they are like the revenue-generating dept of any other corporations. They are the most important group of workers in PSA, because PSA needs them to move containers efficiently in order to generate those huge revenues.

If the Govt likes to rant about how lazy or useless or unproductive Singaporeans are, I would say, look no further to our PSA workers for their dedication and productivity.

Crane operators in PSA earn $4k or even more, putting in extra time. They earn better than graduates in white-collar jobs. Of course, the timing is long. The longer you are on the job, the more you earn. However, they are taken care of with a good union and by the organization.

soul_rage SG

well, i feel it's kind of pointless. i keep seeing this labia thing being repeated. And angel7030 is a scatterbrain, she repeats her crap and toots her own trumpet no matter what.

I just whacked him/her for her stupidity (posting a chicken wing scam and claiming that's the truth), and he/she stays out of that topic completely.

but then goes to other topics to wreck havoc.

Ya, its useless. That rubbish person is a hopeless piece of trash that cannot be saved. Probably this is the one and only place (sgforums) the trash feels important, coz in real life, it is probably a sad and insignificant piece of life.

soul_rage SG

As long as your pay cheque comes from an employer, your job is never secured.

True, but my stance is that the Govt should not make it any worse.

Given that human beings are usually short-sighted (that's why probably only 1 in 10 succeed in what they do with the ability to see long-term), bringing in cheap labour to prop up Singapore's economy is a big no-no. It is at the huge expense of the average local.

The way things go, the middle class will only get alienated more and more by the way this Govt works. And as I said, I see people losing their jobs by 40, and many people having problems making ends meet at the twilight stages of their lives.

I don't want to be one of them, so I am out of Singapore. Even though I am in a position where the cheap labour cannot replace my job, that doesn't mean that 10 years later, they won't be able to. The blatant import of foreigners is like a parasitic situation. Jobs higher up will slowly get hit by this as well (Lawyers, doctors, etc).

How many people are like you or myself, who find a way out by ourselves? The average John Doe depends on their job to survive, and depraving relative stability and security to them is suicidal to Singapore in my opinion

Arapahoe SG

hmmm.....don't mean to side track...But port union is traditionally very strong every where....i think it is the nature of the work and also because it is the life line of Trade for any country. The long shore port union in Long Beach is equally powerful and I had worked with them on different occasion believe me you get high blood pressure and they get really really high pay.

soul_rage SG

Coming back to the above, there are different types of positions at the ports, and all of them are paid really well.

In Belgium, there is this group of workers, that props some form of protection on the top corners of a container, before another container is stacked onto it. I believe their pay is like 3 - 4k EURO per month.

Then, there is another group of workers, who are in charge of driving new cars out of the containers and parking them neatly at the docks. They are paid really well, because they have to ensure that not a scratch is made to any of the new cars in that narrow space.

Of course, there are the harbour pilots, ie tugboat captains, who use their tugboats to direct huge ships (like container and cruise ships) into the harbour. Their pay is easily in the 5 figure.

Of course, all of the above are specialists. They are certified and trained to do their job.

eagle SG

True, but my stance is that the Govt should not make it any worse.

Very true...

The day we have a FT MP or Minister or President will be the day I prepare to move out of Singapore... Someone has advised me before to take a PR in some other country first....

TERMINATOR3000 SG

if they earning so much money and having a good life in spore then why bother to immigrate?

$4k/mth salary are regarded as road sweeper jobs in the first world developed country status.do u see any roadsweepers or toilet cleaners in spore earning even $3k/mth or not???NO!!!!BECAUSE SINGAPORE IS SIMPLY ANOTHER THAILAND,MALAYSIA OR INDONESIA.....IT CANT COMPARE SALARY with the japanese.....it cant compare salary with switzerland....so spore salary is only high if the dudes some minister!!same pay as adolf hitler or burmese prime minister or some dictator in africa.how many jobs in spore pays even $3k/mth for o levels only??not much i can tell u!!so how manyjobs in spore that pays $4k/mth for o levels???even lesser!

even they had 100,000 jobs that paid o level holders $4k per month.....then what bout the rest of the sporeansa????earn $800/mth????chances are out of the 5 ,000,000 eople in spore....only less than 100 or 500 o level holders earn $4k.mth....and these are the selected few.its as good as telling people they have airline pilots with olevels earning $$$$anyway 500/5,000,000 is only about 0.01 max of the entire 5000000 population.might as well compare the population of highly paid million dollars salaried PAP ministers to the whole population.....they would say...hey..i got degree honours only and earn $50k/mth...and start to say...if i can make it i dont see why u cant make that dough!

they want to bull shit at least can bull shit believably!!!

TERMINATOR3000 SG

truth to $4k/mth job in spore:

1)u can never get that job even if u immigrated back from say switzerland to singapore

2)it depends on luck

3)it depends on who u know in that organisation to improve job prospects

4)unless u go setup yer company .....no way gettin that salary

5)just another propaganda

6)story is made to make u feel bad and feel u are the loser!

7)if u pluck everyone on the street inorchard road...less than 90%earn less than $2k .

8)if u pluck anyone in any random town who are o level holders...chances are that they would have not enough money to feed themselves or their family!

if sporean ministers who have degree can earn $1million /year,,,,,,,,,then they should publish around the world telling the other 1st world leaders that they are poor performers and losers and earn sooooo little money!!

TERMINATOR3000 SG

can they advetise the rare $4k/mth job next week or not????most probably the whole of singapore will queue up for that job...but the job only has 5 positions available......need to wait for many many years for next job opening!!!meanwhile the rest of the jobs pay $1000/mth or less for olevels!

thats how rare those jobs are in spore!!.....might as well immigrate in that case!!more chances of getting a good job overseas!

Atobe SG

It's like, "don't blame me for anything. It's not my fault. Someone else voted for the PAP or the opposition"

Bravo - for a fresh and daring view.

You have expressed exactly my attitude already directed towards all these kind of fence sitters over the last few years.

These dim wits will damn the PAP and will also damn every and any Singaporean -who does not meet their own miserable and hollow standards or expectations to their own hollow ideas of what an Alternative Candidate should be to represent Singaporean.

What possibly can be their own standards - when they do not even dare to speak their mind in public, and have no facility to articulate their political thoughts - and cannot even overcome their own frustrated impotence ?

Still they will dare come out openly to propagate the bankrupt values of casting a blank vote and screw the opportunity for the Alternative Parties.

The PAP can only wish for more blank votes to spoil the opportunities for the Alternative Parties - and allow them to win even by the narrowest of margin.

There are two known fools in this Speaker's Corner who possess such dim intelligence and are active advocate to this dumb idea.

TERMINATOR3000 SG

they always send propaganda like these overseas telling how great and wealthy singapore is!!!

singapore is nothing to me...to me...singapore is a nigerian scam...a sham...a waste of my time and effort....its simply a big fat lie supported by people without any other choice to survive so as not to starve to death in singapore.

jojobeach SG

Are they trying to compare a road sweeper job to a crane operator ? Are they joking ?

Crane operator is a specialist. Much like an airline pilot.

Not any tom dick and harry can do ok?

There are plenty of jobs that does not require a O level. But they still need you to be professionally trained.

Does a Plumber need O level ? NO

Does a cook need O level ? NO.

Does a bus driver need O level ? NO.

So what exactly is this article trying to say ? Nothing.

TERMINATOR3000 SG

so if that $4k/mth crane driver left his job........chances are that he will not get that job for many years but only $800/mth salary.he might even starve to death looking for a job.

TERMINATOR3000 SG

crane driver pay is similar to roadsweeper pay in developed countries.

TERMINATOR3000 SG

crane driver pay is similar to roadsweeper pay in developed countries.

jojobeach SG

crane driver pay is similar to roadsweeper pay in developed countries.

Please ok. you know the difference between a crane and a forklift right ?

Atobe SG

The stupidity of the argument is that there can only be so many crane operators needed by PSA.

Even if the European worker is paid Euro 4,000 a month - the cost of living and inflation pressures in Europe will make that amount insignificant.

It is similar to a Singaporean worker earning SGD 4,000 a month - the struggle to raise a family with two school going children is just as tough - when that amount has also to pay for the high price of financing a HDB home purchase.

If a Big Mac Meal is used as the neutral indicator - it could help to give us a fair idea as to the purchasing value of the incomes earned in different countries.

One may seemingly earn alot but at real value it is not worth much.

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