Blurring state and party lines

deathmaster SG

why bother having the saf around when foreigners are already overwhelming us.

Fcukpap SG

in short, SAF is really small...need strong diplomatic ties

Fcukpap SG

SAF is important to deter and hold internally till the allied come to the rescue...do all possible to the last bastion...

i personally encourage its continuation....since passed down in the tradition of our honourable hero and martyr Lim Bo Seng

Wmyongj SG

It is naive to think that communist PRC will be charitable to take care of its neighbour even when they becomes global leader one day. I work for 15 yrs in PRC and I understand the mentality of the government officials from my dealing with them.

Communist is still very much alive in China. One must not be obscured by the economy properity of this country to think that communist is dead. Ask any Taiwanese why they refuse to reunite and join PRC, the answer is for the fear of the communist.

I have the opportunity to work for many JVs in PRC where our Chinese partners are from the top 5 SOE (state own enterprise). These JVs still have a party directed planning system whereby the party chief has the final executive and administrative authority over the mgt committee, including the CEO and CFO.

Chinese are not charitable and like us, will only offer any assistant in return for financial favour or advancement of political/personal objectives. Many of their decisions or actions are sometime rather irrationale when transparency lack and top down directed. Many foreign companies failed to recognise this when they enter into joint ventures, later were decimated, losing money and patent.

PRC will replace US as the economy leader one day but Singapore will only able to benefit from the rise provided we have something to offer in return. The question is what? If PRC is making commercial aircrafts, silicon carbine down to shoe and tooth paste..whatelse can Singapore offer in exchange? unlike our neighbours that have gold and silvers, God give us only our minds. The misconception that having a large population and continue to expand sg population to saftguard our future is faulty. We have no natural resources like in US, that support the growth of the population and cosmopolitism of New York. Even Hong Kong will eventually integrated fully with PRC to be valid but will be very different in future.

Singapore can only stay relevance as trading hub and add value to the products, resources and services to our neighbours. The gene will continue to differiate our level of prosperity comparing that to our neighbours.

As for PRC, they will remain as communist at least for the next 10-20 yrs. The reason being that they already had identified their next leader after Hu. They will not give up party control in exchange for economic advancement. They have shown the world when they crashed the student uprise in 1989.

Fcukpap SG

China old guards are around ... and the new ones will see a New China....the young are no longer indoctrinated with the Old Mao's Little Red Book....it will surely change but that would be the next 30 - 40 years from now....more elite researchers are flocking back to China...it would be a different China...and they will buy back their lost treasures and history....

Strategically, we need to maintain close economic and diplomatic ties...which would be very helpful when we are counter grave security threats from our neighbours...not only with China....no one will help us for free ... there is no free lunch ...

Fcukpap SG

till then, USA and Europe all have economic and flock of problems of their own...if China has the most powerful economy and military around.....who can help us if we counter threats from our neighbours?

RoyFang SG

Even if they are not indoctrinated with Mao's little Red Book, they are still fed propagandas from young like what our PAP has been doing. The only difference is that they are fiercely patriotic for good or bad.

They will buy back their lost treasures yes, but history? Mao's cultural revolution destroyed history and treasures that can't be bought back and people who rule China today are most likely those who are sons and daughters who benefited from the cultural revolution. They destroyed part of China's history with their own hands.

Some of them see us descendants of Chinese who migrated out of China for various reasons as traitors to China.

You think they really care about us, a little red dot? See us as brothers related ethnically? Look at Taiwan situation, how many missiles are pointing at Taiwan when China kept repeating that Taiwanese and Chinese are brothers, no need to fight.

Yes, no one will help us for free but what kind of lunch can we offer to this giant that can pretty much feed itself?

If you look at the map, the closest ally we can have if Malaysia and Indonesia become hostile is Australia in terms of distance.

I'm very sick of the Pro-China propagandas that PAP keep feeding us through the media.

RoyFang SG

India.

Fcukpap SG

i doubt all of them are free for help...

rather than that...China will become Superpower sooner or later...their military power is growing evidently strong out of Americans' nightmares

and don't underestimate Malaysia's and Indonesia's military....

Fcukpap SG

lets face it...we are a little dot...we need to be very pragmatic on who could protect us...economically and militarily...there are no two ways about it...

establishing strong ties with China is the most pragmatic, aside with all other major powers...yet stay neutral and non-aligned...

angel7030 SG

Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, friends and foes,

Please dun be too carry away with our govt foreign policies with regard to China and some other superpower countries, the govt objective is not about sovereignity or getting colonised again, but rather, we are looking at the aspect of economy.

You and I had fully agreed that China will be a economy powerhouse in near future, in terms of military, it is another story, but our objective is to ride the on the success of China economy, not on their military. And to do that, we need to built the foundation, the basis to let our people understand china more indept, that is why there are so many exchange programmes and business transaction going on, but there is no threat at all in our own independency. So, dun think wildly ya.

It is of great luck that we, as singapore, with a high percentage of chinese who learned chinese and chinese culture and therefore able to both attract PRC and also do business with them. Hongkong sooner or later will be full china, taiwan is a big issue there, only left is we, Singapore, we want to be a financial service provider to china business, we want to be the mediator and the interimer business partner for anyone from the west or middle east who want to find the next silk route to china.

Angel

Acidshuriken SG

that we are the middleman for china and the west is a myth now. maybe in the 80s and perhaps 90s yes, now china and the west no longer need middlemen.

angel7030 SG

that we are the middleman for china and the west is a myth now. maybe in the 80s and perhaps 90s yes, now china and the west no longer need middlemen.

what middle man, no lah, we are not the gate to china, Hong kong had alway been the gate to china, we are just making it more smoother, provide a platform of financial services, the know how and know why, the financial human resource, the joint venture and the outsourcing condition into china.

The west can directly move into china, why they need us, but they can utilitise our clean financial services and resources and also take us as an outsourcing partnership just like a second base for launching into china.

Wmyongj SG

Angel,

Singapore aspire to emulate Britian to be the financial center of Asia. To do so, we must be able to attract oversea fund that we are seriously hadicapped. The financial services that Sg offer is still a middlemen nature as our country size and population dont have enough money like the banks in NY or British that source the monies from their motherland USA and Europe.

The reason Sg is so adamant not to disclose to the American and protect our bank secrecy law is that a significant of these monies are parked in Sg that will eventually fled the country had owner identities are known.

In addition we are no longer an attrative location for IPO in that HK had over taken us to its proximity to their motherland China, which increasing providing funding to HK. PRC will eventually allow its citizen to invest in HK stocks but not Sg.

angel7030 SG

Angel,

Ah Wmy kor kor,

Stock and share is a different stories all together, we want to provide china and foreign companies in china a clean and uncorrupted financial statement, Singapore financial resources are in need in China, vietnam and many other developing countries, this is because our people are trained to be clean, just like our govt, 10 out of 9 chinese accountant corrupt, it is their culture, the west doing business in china do not trust them, so we provide the platform for them here, to set up their financial HQ hub in singapore, and they are doing it, that is why many banks and finanicial insitute are coming here, because we want to make shenton a place where you can do your financial business easily. Hongkong had alway been the NY of Asia, that is their main and core industrial, but as the 50 years of self governing coming to an end, we hope that the shift will move to here, and unlike HK, we are more diversified, we are the best oil rig producers, we got the fastest and smoothest port and oil processing around here and also many other industrial, Hongkong focus mainly on their financial sector, and perhap some shipping lines.

Brandon kuan SG

Ah Wmy kor kor,

Angel auntie, please get your facts right okay. Just b'ocs you had a mouth does not mean you are smart okay

Singapore is a developed countries, all our industries had "hollow out" to thailand, malaysia, vietnam, china, india

And mind you China take over Germany as No3 in GDP, predict to overtake Japan next as No.2. By 2020 China will overtake USA as the biggest economy in the World. Goldman Sach report and Pricewater Cooper report (don't talk rubbish on corruption)

Singapre cannot compete in Manufacturering Hub, anything to do with labor instenive Singapore is out. That's why only HQ is found here my little girl

Please watch CNBC or Bloomberg TV auntie Angel. Singapore is heading into Serive Hub like Miedical Hub, Gaming Hub Casino, BioMedical Hub, Toursim Hub, Financal Hub and Education Hub.

What your Haig Girl School teaches you blur sotong student

Go and be a housewife lah

angel7030 SG

aiyo Uncle, i never said i smart mah, i just voice my opinon only mah, like this also cannot meh, wha lau, so undemocratic one, worst than PAP, talk also cannot meh.

Singapore had long embraced a knowledge economy, and now we are going into intellectual economy, but we dun really make it cos most sg Uncles and Aunties are still not up to mark to embrace an Intellectual global economy, we are not that flexible and gracious to except others coming in,...what economy are you talking about...

Brandon kuan SG

aiyo Uncle, i never said i smart mah, i just voice my opinon only mah, like this also cannot meh, wha lau, so undemocratic one, worst than PAP, talk also cannot meh.

If you don't open your mouth nobody know you are dumb. Open open must talk clever things mah, my grandmother can talk better than you

You stop making me laugh lah, Knowledge economy must come with Open Society, you so clever you know this meh? This is such a rigid society, what kind of Knowledge can you find?

Intellectual Rights, you are refering is it? see I know you only know how to eat optatoe chips. Are we a country that had a lot of Patents Rights? Don't have...then don't need to talk already

I very gracious want, I accept others to comes...but I don't like you leh

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