unlucky to be in sg, wish to be born in europe instead

trashbag SG

u then prostitute...I am a businesslady ok.

I am a guy ok you moron prostitute.

You are a businesslady that sells your body and that is a prostitute

Doraemonboi SG

singapore not bad wad juz that the standard of living is high nia

Doraemonboi SG

soul_rage SG

Actually Europe very soon will become a has-been. (if not already it is)

Given the inertia of their people, its no surprise that Asia is catching up rapidly. I wouldn't want to be born into Europe, given that this decline has already started.

But then again, Singapore isn't a nice place to be raised in as well. But it's not important isn't it? You can't control what had happened, you can only control what is GOING to happen.

Anyway, coming back to our 'fun-loving' government, I raised a question on why hawker stall rentals must be raised from $900 to $2000 per month when hawker food is one of the controls of the cost of living in Singapore, and they never did give me a satisfactory reply. All they can answer is, it's based on market rate, with no other reasons to back up their raise

So there you have it, a government that says it wants to listen, but then gives you ambiguous answers that end up, "you wasted your time asking, and they still get what they want".

Stevenson101 SG

Considering the sheer amount of market share they have on hawker stall rentals, you'd think they were the one who decides the "market" rate.

soul_rage SG

Considering the sheer amount of market share they have on hawker stall rentals, you'd think they were the one who decides the "market" rate.

Well, as I mentioned in a previous thread, there's another place in Sengkang or Punggol, a new hawker cum wet market, that our NEA has used a different approach

they award the management of the place to the highest bidder

Given that Kopitiam bidded $500k management fees per month, and with about 100 stalls in that place, the avg base cost per stall is about $5000 per month.

Given that kind of costs, there's no way hawker food is going to be affordable there.

So there you have it, market rates! :)

charlize SG

Money, money, money.

It's a rich man's world.

Stevenson101 SG

Well, as I mentioned in a previous thread, there's another place in Sengkang or Punggol, a new hawker cum wet market, that our NEA has used a different approach

they award the management of the place to the highest bidder

Given that Kopitiam bidded $500k management fees per month, and with about 100 stalls in that place, the avg base cost per stall is about $5000 per month.

Given that kind of costs, there's no way hawker food is going to be affordable there.

So there you have it, market rates! :)

Never see them picking the highest bidder for other things!

deepak.c SG

Never see them picking the highest bidder for other things!

Good! Then they can make more profits, the rest of the business cost is passed on to the consumer. Like this, Singapore can have higher GDP, then come election they can tell citizens about the how high the GDP is, without focusing on the cost of living.

soul_rage SG

Never see them picking the highest bidder for other things!

It's not that, you look at it from revenue and expense

Revenue -> Pick the highest bidder for incoming fees, etc

Expense -> When need to build something, invite the bidders and select the lowest bid

Now, doesn't that sound like a typical corporation? :D

Stevenson101 SG

It's not that, you look at it from revenue and expense

Revenue -> Pick the highest bidder for incoming fees, etc

Expense -> When need to build something, invite the bidders and select the lowest bid

Now, doesn't that sound like a typical corporation? :D

I don't neccessarily see a fault in thinking like a corporation most of the time....the other side of the coin is the USA that borrowed far, far more than it earned.

The law of physics demands an equal price for the amount of effort, it does not make adjustments for the nobility of humanity nor for democracy and justice.

I get what you're driving at, but surely there must be limits set?

soul_rage SG

I don't neccessarily see a fault in thinking like a corporation most of the time....the other side of the coin is the USA that borrowed far, far more than it earned.

The law of physics demands an equal price for the amount of effort, it does not make adjustments for the nobility of humanity nor for democracy and justice.

I get what you're driving at, but surely there must be limits set?

good last question. So do we behave as a corporation ALL the time, or do we behave like a corporation most of the time?

Not sure about you, but in my view, it seems like its ALL the time. In which case, your question comes in, shouldn't there be a limit to how pragmatic we are as a society?

If you look at our KPIs set by our govt, its mostly related to economic progression. We seem to think that by achieving economic progression, everything can fall perfectly into place. By bringing in the $$$, automatically, the citizens will be happy.

But is this necessarily the case? Can a govt focus only on economic progression, and then ignore all other aspects of the society?

Not that I am saying we are completely wrong. Perhaps this formula was effective for the past 40 years. Is this formula going to be effective going forward? What has happened to SM Goh's (when he was PM) call for a kinder gentler society?

I see robotics all around me. We are becoming less and less like a human society...

eagle SG

I don't neccessarily see a fault in thinking like a corporation most of the time....the other side of the coin is the USA that borrowed far, far more than it earned.

The law of physics demands an equal price for the amount of effort, it does not make adjustments for the nobility of humanity nor for democracy and justice.

I get what you're driving at, but surely there must be limits set?

wait ah... that is not a law of physics hor...

Stevenson101 SG

wait ah... that is not a law of physics hor...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics

I'm...pretty sure it is, though i admit i'm negligent in going into details or explaining my stand better.

But the point is the laws of physics do not make allowance for the moral values of humans, that physical materials and energy do not give more when we put it towards doing morally good things.

i'm sure we can agree on this yes?

ispyyy SG

If I have a wish, I would not waste the wish that I born in europe.

I wish I can strike US $10million.

It is unlucky for me not to strike tat.

$$$ is more practical.

It is not where you are that is important. It is who you are that is important.

eagle SG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics

I'm...pretty sure it is, though i admit i'm negligent in going into details or explaining my stand better.

But the point is the laws of physics do not make allowance for the moral values of humans, that physical materials and energy do not give more when we put it towards doing morally good things.

i'm sure we can agree on this yes?

No, it's still not the laws of physics

What you described was not the first law of thermodynamics too; there's totally no link at all to thermal physics.

Anyway forget it. Just want to point out that's all :)

I would rather label what you desribed as law of economics.

Georgetan884 SG

i just air my view

i recieved 4 negative remarks from diehard, domonkassyu, desirefan and angel 7030

i need constructive answer and concrete proof only - not need commotion

i just shake my head

our country standard of living very high

in future even higher

got money what time start work also can

angel7030 SG

what negative remarks, we are giving our voluntary views, and what constructive answer you want when all you can think of is money???

And what commotion are u having can be more than me being called a pros everytime for nothing?

And finally, if you really want to shake head, make sure you shake the correct head ya.

Stevenson101 SG

good last question. So do we behave as a corporation ALL the time, or do we behave like a corporation most of the time?

Not sure about you, but in my view, it seems like its ALL the time. In which case, your question comes in, shouldn't there be a limit to how pragmatic we are as a society?

But is this necessarily the case? Can a govt focus only on economic progression, and then ignore all other aspects of the society?

I see robotics all around me. We are becoming less and less like a human society...

I don't think you'd get any disagreements from me regarding what you've said.

Most here i think would agree the formula that the government is using to decide policies is extremely outdated and we need more opposition in parliament in order to stop them from pursuing a self destructive path.

But what exactly would be the better formula? And who would be the best to implement it? This requires a far bigger magnifying glass and much harder strutiny than that we used for the PAP.

LKY is correct that if we elected the wrong opposition up then Singapore is finished. Big emphasis on the "wrong".

I just don't buy that the solution is as simple as electing CSJ into power, or that we pursue a vague "more humane policy" we would solve our problems.

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