LTA and SMRT's recent policies

angel7030 SG

Good point. what if the parents need to feed their baby in the train premises???

which point?, i got two points

Kenshin_87 SG

U shall be smart when do that kind of things. See see and look look first, check out for SMRT personnel before this kind of things.

U all know Singaporean pattern la. If one can excuse, all other will come up with plenty of reasons telling themselves they shall not be fine and excuse.

Actually I am grateful, SMRT is taking action on MRT. Too many bad behaviour and passsengers are not behaving. U all shall be grateful they make yr ride peasant when less ungracious passengers eat and dirty the MRT.

So.. what? I am suppose to check my surroundings for any "police officers" aka train attendants before I commit my "crime" of drinking water from my water bottle?

Yes, I understand that are some people who are seriously inconsiderate to consume their foods, e.g. burgers, noodles, rice, worse of all-- fried food(where the aroma can spread as fast as a tsunami). THESE people deserves to get fine-- no... double fine an a warning. They do it again, a higher fine and another warning. After the 2nd warning, jail. Just imagine you are feeling hungry all over, and then suddenly this person opens his packet of french fries and the smell linger all around the bus/train, making you even more hungrier.

In regards to sweets, I think it should also be fine to consume while onboard. Sometimes eating sweets will keep you awake throughout the journey. It's not as if the smell from the sweet is so strong like an opened Ambi Pur air freshener container. Talking about being awake in public transports, posters and the song sung by gurmit singh in MRT stations, "Don't pretend to sleep, blah blah blah"... Telling us not to hog seats by "pretending" to sleep... I think that song is fucked up. It really bring shame to Singaporeans, can you imagine Singapore government is teaching us, baby-step, on how to behave on public transports? Putting up posters was good enough, I don't know why they wanna do another brainless MV regarding social(transport) etiquette?

And that song really pricks my ears.

Lee012lee SG

It GLC linked, what you expect, sitting on the board are Ministers, not laymen hor. Private is only a matter of churning more income, just let me ask you one question, does SMRT got any competitors here?? No right! it a monopoly game for them. Even if they want to increase the fare tomorrow, what are you going to do..take the other private company train ar??/ where got? So dun be stupid hor, be smart can liao.

SMRT stated that it is the responsibility of passengers to take whatever they need before boarding the Train, most commuters will travel only about 1 hrs the most, no big deal, drink before you board, then drink again after disembark. SMRT is not looking into individual, it is looking into a mass, the rules come into enforcement was due to the hygiene problem, so if one can drink, all can drink, and later someone will drink water melon and the next follow...dun you guys like a clean MRT??

It is right for SMRT to impose the no eating and drinking rule.

But SMRT has overdone it to fine a passenger who has taken a sweet to supplement her low sugar level as doctors have advised these patients to take a sweet otherwise these patient will faint. The irony is that the passenger is not fine because the passenger is throwing the wrapper on the floor but the passenger is fined because the passenger has a sweet in the mouth.

In the rules of law, there must be evidence of crime before one can be punished by fine or imprisonment.

SMRT's logic to impose the fine is to prevent littering and to keep the trains clean and safe.

So, what is the logic to impose the fine when a passenger who has taken a sweet to supplement her low sugar level as doctors have advised these patients to take a sweet otherwise these patient will faint.

Does her action lead to littering and makes the trains unsafe ?

Obviously, the answer is no.

So, do you think that SMRT has overdone it ?

angel7030 SG

It is right for SMRT to impose the no eating and drinking rule.

In the rules of law, there must be evidence of crime before one can be punished by fine or imprisonment.

SMRT's logic to impose the fine is to prevent littering and to keep the trains clean and safe.

Does her action lead to littering and makes the trains unsafe ?

Obviously, the answer is no.

So, do you think that SMRT has overdone it ?

In management, i studied that whatever you want to do, make sure you do it without any prejudice, otherwise, whatever your decision and thing implememted will not have any credit and people will just ignore it.

As i said earlier, knowing that no eating of foods and drinking is allow should be across the baord, one must therefore, arrange him or herself to pre anticipate the journey time and take whatever he/she needs before boarding.

If one can give accuses and get accused, the other will follow, those high sugar will take pills, those giddy will take pills, those with stomach ucler will drink milk, those with this and that will come into the picture. Then what credibility does this rule holds???

If I implement a strict discipline rules to my staffs and workers, i make sure that they adhere to it so as to make it serve it purpose, and the purpose for these case is for a hygiene with no insects, ants, smell, and rubbish for our clean train whereby all can enjoy.

I do pity peoples with illness, but for them, they have to be self beholden to their illness. If someone take sweet and the others see that it is ok without understanding it, then it will be an issue. Therefore i urge all commuters to do whatever needed in term of medication and foods before boarding, I believe it can be done, if not these rule will come into picture.

Angel

Spokewoman for SMRT

CNA

Tampines

Lee012lee SG

Angel

Spokewoman for SMRT

CNA

Tampines

I understand that you are a beautiful, healthy and young lady and you have probably not experienced any serious illness except flu and fever. Doctors always advise patients to take the medication as soon as possible when patients begin to feel the symptoms. Symptoms and illnesses cannot be timed and planned.

The logic of only healthy individuals can make use of public transport system is flawed.

Indeed, SMRT has already made many efforts to help the infirm, handicap, wheelchaired and elderly individuals in making it safe and user friendly to them by building ramps and lifts.

SMRT's management philosophy is definitely socially responsible but in this particularly case, an SMRT employee has probably being over zealous in performing his or her duty and overdone it.

PS : Angel, since you like to assume the identity of being the SMRT spokeswoman, may I pose you the question that how will a sweet in one's mouth dirty the train or make it unsafe ? It is obvious. The answer is it will not dirty or make the train unsafe. The train will be dirtied only when the passenger throws the wrapper on the floor.

If she does not dirty the train or make it unsafe, how can this passenger be fined ?

mancha SG

Obviously, SMRT has not done proper planning and feasibility studies before the rule is implemented.

SMRT would have done the necessary studies before any rules are implemented.

If you can think of it, so can others, and that include those in the SMRT.

Its just that decision made is not the same as yours, so you critise them.

I got diabetes, borderline, my doc says, no treatment take care, health living. If sweets are allowed many more will claim they are suffering from diabetes. If that is allowed, what about hunger, take hamburgers should be allowed. Where to draw the line against smart alexs?

How about gin or vodka on train can? They are clear. Train attendant must smell the container before the passenger drinks?

Throw your litter outside the train stations not bring in and leave on train, likewise take your medicine before/after ride, outside the train.

If one is allowed to do, so must others be allowed. That includes me, who is reasonably healthy.

Sometimes I need a break on the train. So...

They have though it through, lah.

Lee012lee SG

SMRT would have done the necessary studies before any rules are implemented.

If you can think of it, so can others, and that include those in the SMRT.

Its just that decision made is not the same as yours, so you critise them.

How about gin or vodka on train can? They are clear. Train attendant must smell the container before the passenger drinks?

Throw your litter outside the train stations not bring in and leave on train, likewise take your medicine before/after ride, outside the train.

If one is allowed to do, so must others be allowed. That includes me, who is reasonably healthy.

Sometimes I need a break on the train. So...

They have though it through, lah.

It is right that SMRT imposes the no eating and drinking rule.

The logic is to ensure that the trains are clean and safe.

The issue is that what will make the trains dirty and unsafe.

The eating of food and drinking will lead to debris and liquids and smell lingering in the trains and make them dirty, unpleasant and unsafe.

Hence, all these activities should not be allowed and the passengers be fined.

The issue is a sweet in one's mouth. How will this dirty and make the train unsafe ?

There are passengers who leave the newspapers and tissue papers behind after use and passengers who cut their nails in the trains, These activities dirty the trains.

There are passengers who played the music loudly in the trains and these activities make the journey unpleasant to other passengers.

PS : Mancha, it is a real case that a passenger is fined for this reason.

The url link is

http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory200907251702-77996.html

mancha SG

"It is right that SMRT imposes the no eating and drinking rule."

Rude people, young people, foreigners are all creative. There have to be a firm rule, so that there are no arguments.

You can trust yourself not to abuse the system, but the other hordes can they be trusted.

A sweet, what is a sweet. A sugary lump, a candy bar, a bar of chocolate, a Magnum icecream, a wedge of Black Forest. How small must the sweet be, how big is big, this to be argued out on the train?

There is a rule against eating, and there is a rule against littering, amont others. If the girl put the sweet in the mouth and drops the wrapper on to the floor, she would have breached two rules. Put the sweet in the mouth only, one breach.

SBSTransport SG

SMRT don't really do anything wrong by implementing this policy but they have definetly overdone it. Though I am wondering is this just for show for awhile to scare passengers than later no more liao.

To me eating sweets is still consider eating but than there is the question of what did they do to make passengers feel uncomfortable or dirty the environment? There is really no need to fine such people as long as they don't throw sweets wrapper on the floor. The whole thing is very simple, nothing was done to the train or affect other commuter other than the eater gets to enjoy the sweets. What's wrong with them, jealous that they got sweets to enjoy?

Than there is drinking water, what if the person who in need of water is a child, you expect them to sit for the whole 1 hour journey bearing their thirst? Also if it is a toddler/baby it probably can cry for the whole journey and probably end up in the hospital due to dehydration, can their parents sue SMRT for this? For me, I will just daringly drink no matter what, I did not wet the floor and my plain water does not attract pests, neither does it affect the commuters. Seriously there is no need to look out for them if you don't feel guilty about it cause to me drinking plain water is purely all right and it is recommended to drink lots of it especially when the environment is very dry.

So probably SMRT is doing this to scare people for a month (pity those unlucky people) or they trying their recoup their loses from the fine LTA gave them.

mamamamama SG

SMRT also brainless de. Don't have to enforce the rules exactly by the book right. If eating sweets or what, just give warning lor.

I tio before early morning in the train, e air con damn cooling and got a fresh train smell. Suddenly 1 unker take out his CAI PENG and start eating away. Can you imagine smelling that. Those kind must fine until jialat jialat.

mamamamama SG

So probably SMRT is doing this to scare people for a month (pity those unlucky people) or they trying their recoup their loses from the fine LTA gave them.

Think of it this way. What if for some reason the train jerks real hard to a sudden stop, and your bottle of water spills. Are you going to clean up the mess even if it's just plain water? Now imagine 20 commuters in the same compartment drinking their plain water. Who is going to clean up the mess?

angel7030 SG

The logic of only healthy individuals can make use of public transport system is flawed.

Indeed, SMRT has already made many efforts to help the infirm, handicap, wheelchaired and elderly individuals in making it safe and user friendly to them by building ramps and lifts.

SMRT's management philosophy is definitely socially responsible but in this particularly case, an SMRT employee has probably being over zealous in performing his or her duty and overdone it.

If she does not dirty the train or make it unsafe, how can this passenger be fined ?

Sorry for my teasing part, and how on earth do you understand so much about me. Have you met me somewhere??

My advices to those who are sick, take a cab or cover your mouth with a face mask, take your medication and drink before boarding and after disembark. So simple rules, why cannot follow??? You will indian and foreigner chewing betel leaves in MRT, you want PRC munching peanuts in MRT, you want oldies sucking coffee or tea from those plastic bags. Please, just do whatever you like to eat or drink out of our MRT.

You take a sweet, keep the wrapper in your bag, nex the indian take a prata and stuff into his mouth, leave the packet in the seat, next one PRC gal take a mint and leave the plastic wrapper flying on the floor, next, one child take a sip of his milkshake and drip it over the floor, next, one malay man coughed and took a cough sweet but slowly leave his wrapper behind on the seat...etc etc..

You may be good, but not others, MRT is not targeting you only, if only u take MRT, no problem, but MRT is a MASS...refer to mass communication and rules. I suggest you go take Mass Communication courses, one of the top course around. Maybe you will understand better.

Annilator47 SG

to those who think that SMRT is overboard in the "no eating/drinking rule"

i agree with angel7030 explaination on why it should be enforced, and i also like to state the reason why from some pple i know who work there under techical areas.

1)GTM ticketing machine..1 case happen of it happen for the machine to malfuction is cause some smart alex squeeze tissue and sweet wappers in 1 of the coin slots.

2)if this "no eating/no drinking " rule was not enforced some pple wold squeeze sweets wappers in basically any hole or slot they find on the train, if the sweet still contain some of the contents in it and melt thru, it might damage something or part of the train equipment too...guess who's paying for repairs and maintaince for it?..yup rite..SMRT

3)i myself have seen spitted sweets around some areas or near the tracks in some stations before this rule was enforced..maybe i'll refesh all of you a little bit of history..back abt 1 year ago..an LRT track faced frequent disruptions due to a teenager who threw a bag of glue onto the LRT tracks from a nearby HDB flat. this was reported in the newspaper..so if the same can happen to LRT..it can also happen to MRT..and the superglue culprit can be replaced by sweets.

in short..there is a cycle going on here..irresponsiable public eats, dirtys and damages SMRT equipment, replacement parts get more expensive, fares start to rise,public grumble,public pay more, service may improve or start to improve till another irresponsonable public starts the whole cycle again

for now..the irresponsiable public is getting more and more..and it's made more worse by other ingnorant foriegn workers too.

lotus999 SG

sometimes i wonder if our law enforcers are human or robots. they don’t seem to have brain!

Squirrel<3Nuts SG

You think their CEOs take public transport & squeeze with the crowds for one hour in the train without water meh? The probably drive.

frakfrakfrak SG

To many village bumpkins with fake degrees in Singapore starting to make Singapore dirty. So must fine a bit. Of course, we should use the image of a diabetic Singaporean to denounce this "injustice".

MaNyZeR SG

So have you ask yourself why is SMRT implementing such rules??

the answer is because of STOMP!!!

Singaporeans keep on stomping.. eat on train, drink on train, never give up seats blah blah blah... the more you stomp about these issues, then more rules are set then the more inconvenience will be brought to the other passengers.

therefore think before you STOMP!!... dont every little bit of thing you STOMP. Later you stomp, authorities never do anything... kanna say and suan... authorities do something also kanna say never plan properly, rule not feasible etc.

Kanina singaporeans just like to create trouble for themselves and others. Open your heart and accept things... dont need to STOMP each and every thing you buay song..

angel7030 SG

So have you ask yourself why is SMRT implementing such rules??

the answer is because of STOMP!!!

Kanina singaporeans just like to create trouble for themselves and others. Open your heart and accept things... dont need to STOMP each and every thing you buay song..

No, actually, no eating and drinking policies is already enforced but just that the authority never really look into it as they believed that we are gracious enuf to heel the notices as most of us are laws abidding people, typically speaking, we know that littering is not allowed. But to certain extend, because we have foreigners influx into our society, we begin to see a less gracious side of Singapore, for them, they come from countries when spitting, throwing and eating is a norm. Therefore the authority needs to enforce further what had been enforced to get back on track.

In the end, not only we have a cleaner environment, we trained these foreigners to suit into our society and perhap they can bring back these good habits back to their lands.

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