Army boys should not be allowed on public buses

Fantagf SG

hahaha...sunset liao, u want me to explain how many times, ask you meet up, you also dun wan...haiz, me not anyhow date people ok, for you, an exception

dun wan, meet u up will get H1N1

sgdiehard SG

"My point is if you have to spend 2 years in NS, you make the best out of it, this is part of your life."

On this, we agree, actually. I don't have to like prison to sign up for courses to improve myself and make my life in there as bearable as possible. I don't have to like prison, or any other unlikeable situation, to make the most of it.

"you will be really dellusioned if you think you are doing a job that some regulars should do."

I entertain no such illusions. Did i indicate anywhere that i did? In fact, pls ref to my statement that we can't expect conscripts to be as competent as regulars.

In fact, this actually adds fuel to my argument that professional armies are the better choice.

"the MOD and government can debate all they can, but when your order comes, you have only two choice, report or migrate!""

I reported. I did my job, even if i didn't like it. Your point is...?

Just because we have no choice doesn't mean we can't talk about it. Last i checked, citizens in democratic countries actually bother to talk about things that affect their country. They don't shut up just because some ppl are uncomfortable with what they say.

As it is, i see that feelings on this subject are far too entrenched. Neither is this the forum for such a debate.

But the least i ask of you is, pls don't make it seem as if NSmen are either 1.) diehard gungho GIs; or 2.) chao keng kia. You should know as well as i do that we are not such a simple lot.

even if you want to go to prison to sign up for courses, I am not sure if they allow you. but if you have to go, no choice.... and you have to report and you did reported! that is the point, and I did not say that the regular can do better job.

the problem with discussion like this is that it strays far far off the topic. So back to the topic, if there is a bunch of regular soldiers wearing sweaty uniform, can they board the bus or not?

angel7030 SG

dun wan, meet u up will get H1N1

sooner or later will get one lah...

sgdiehard SG

It is of critical value and foremost important that in Army, a guy must put himself above all to defend his country, home, childrens, womenfolks, old peoples etc etc...(dunno wan to include FT or not?)

A soldier must knows his objectives well and towards those objectives, be it disciplines or skills, he needs to be motivated to do it. Otherwise, it will be totally fruitless and wasting of time and resource on both the guy and the nation resulting in the day after he walked out of his camp, he forget totally on how to fire a rifle.

Therefore i believe it is critical for govt or the public by and large to move toward patriotism and the willingness to serve. But contrary to all these, guys gathering with us tends to feel dissatisfaction about wasting their time in NS and more importantly, why young foreign talent guys who become citizenship of Singapore dun have to serve NS?

In the end, how on earth are we going to trust a group of guys defending us with no morale and happiness. Are they trained for 2 years++ or acted as an actor for 2 years++?

no disagreement with that. the govt is the PAP, the public is us, so how to move toward patriotism and willingness to serve.

you got give NS men discount or not, when they visit your place?

angel7030 SG

the problem with discussion like this is that it strays far far off the topic. So back to the topic, if there is a bunch of regular soldiers wearing sweaty uniform, can they board the bus or not?

regular army are better paid with much better privileges, bet they take taxis or drive liao

Crazydeezee SG

In the end, how on earth are we going to trust a group of guys defending us with no morale and happiness. Are they trained for 2 years++ or acted as an actor for 2 years++?

Much of what you say is sensible, with one *big exception. I don't think all guys only "act" for those 2 years.

Granted, unwillingness to do NS does contribute to the "chao keng" problem. Yet, even if ppl dislike the job, many will still do their best- if for no other reason than to get it over with instead of semula again and again.

However, this is still beside the point. The point is that even the most "diehard" NSmen can't realistically be expected to attain the same standard as professionals. NSmen are not just soldiers, but *citizens also. That in no way detracts from their contributions. It simply means that NSmen cannot devote their lives to soldiering. As a consequence, many of them lose their skills through atrophy. Precious time is wasted maintaining a standard, or at least keeping it from all going to hell. That time could be spent on professionals and helping them advance to better standards.

As sgdiehard said so appropriately: "you will be really dellusioned if you think you are doing a job that some regulars should do." I cannot agree more.

Therefore, whether NSmen, facing low morale and unhappiness, "act" or not is not material. What matters is that we can't expect them to be as good as regulars, because we can't blame them for being citizens instead of full-time soldiers.

Crazydeezee SG

the problem with discussion like this is that it strays far far off the topic. So back to the topic, if there is a bunch of regular soldiers wearing sweaty uniform, can they board the bus or not?

Er, actually, prisons do offer courses. Just to clarify. It's not terribly well-known, unfortunately.

I agree tt this is besides the pt. I apologise for straying off-topic.

In fact, in many ways, you and i agree on many things. It's mostly a matter of details/perspective.

angel7030 SG

no disagreement with that. the govt is the PAP, the public is us, so how to move toward patriotism and willingness to serve.

you got give NS men discount or not, when they visit your place?

by the way, NSmen drinking draught beer, you know the situation, but most of we gals like to mingle with them, cos they are young and some crew cut hair are real attraction. However, draught beer jugs dun give us much profit, and the girls know that there will be no tips at the end of the days, that is already a discount.

sgdiehard SG

regular army are better paid with much better privileges, bet they take taxis or drive liao

alamah, you only see the regular WO or officers, like that even NS men also don't need to wear uniform to take bus one. the sign on also start from recruit leh.

Crazydeezee SG

alamah, you only see the regular WO or officers, like that even NS men also don't need to wear uniform to take bus one. the sign on also start from recruit leh.

Better pay or none, even regulars have to start somewhere- ie as recruits. You don't just get the bars/stripes instantly if you sign on.

sgdiehard SG

wa lau wei, like that you call discount huhh...how to encourage patriotism? your girls all lao zha bo got young men to mingle, otherwise they all resign, so you the boss should give discount lah.

Crazydeezee SG

Not just guys. Why should men face expectations that women are exempt from?

I must also add that some women do serve in the military. It's not just guys who can fulfil the duty to protect.

sgdiehard SG

Originally posted by sgdiehard:

what did you do with your priceless 2 yrs for the nation? did you wear no. 4?

I am from the SCE, we guys all know how to make bombs out of simple materials. and we always go malling when we book out, but in time of war, we are more careful about ignorant people like you in uniform than our enemy.

i'm PES E, didn't wear No. 4 but wore No. 3. It's logical to think that if someone becomes dissatisfied with life, they may just pulled off another Dave Teo and use bombs instead of guns.

and considering the absolute fact that any country who invades SG will win, it's only smart people who know when to follow the right master.

don't agree with your "the absolute fact that any country who invades SG will win".

who is the "right master" are you serving?

angel7030 SG

Much of what you say is sensible, with one *big exception. I don't think all guys only "act" for those 2 years.

As sgdiehard said so appropriately: "you will be really dellusioned if you think you are doing a job that some regulars should do." I cannot agree more.

of course not all guys are acting, but most would be..however acting on good faith is not bad too. I guess, some are merely acting just to lead a better life inside there.

Regular army staffs are also lazy bum, they are merely in there fulltime to guide the NSmen thru carrot and stick tactics, i bet they will said something like, ok gentlemen, you all can go home if you all can do it good, right and fast..etc etc..but if you dun do it right, you cannot go home, and those who make the whole team failed will not go home for months. They instill fears and allow the NSmen to sabotage each others leading to no friendships.

On the front side, as a country, NSmen is also taken as a number count just to show our neighbours how strong and powerful is our army. But whether it can function in time of conflict is yet to be tested.

angel7030 SG

alamah, you only see the regular WO or officers, like that even NS men also don't need to wear uniform to take bus one. the sign on also start from recruit leh.

can, why cannot, most of them have camp label and military clubs in their car windscreen mah. And those take taxis alway carry a big bags like santa claus.

sgdiehard SG

of course not all guys are acting, but most would be..however acting on good faith is not bad too. I guess, some are merely acting just to lead a better life inside there.

Life is but a stage! even in working life, don't we all act? even if we don't like our boss, we still follow instruction, you don't like the chow angmoh in your pub but you still smile, all just for the money....in NS we are only learning, that is why we only got allowance.

4sg SG

wa lau wei, like that you call discount huhh...how to encourage patriotism? your girls all lao zha bo got young men to mingle, otherwise they all resign, so you the boss should give discount lah.

you forget we got young meimei angie here to be the sacrificial lamb.....she is calculating how much of money to squeeze before she sacrifice herself Laughing

angel7030 SG

wa lau wei, like that you call discount huhh...how to encourage patriotism? your girls all lao zha bo got young men to mingle, otherwise they all resign, so you the boss should give discount lah.

no lah, please lah, lao zho bo how can survive here, those young vietnam, prc gals and thai gals like nsmen ok, but i usually advise these local guys to behave as their senior or MP maybe lurking around and also dun fall sick in love with these gals, many guys gone AWOL looking for these gals, one sided love. I really pity them.

sgdiehard SG

can, why cannot, most of them have camp label and military clubs in their car windscreen mah. And those take taxis alway carry a big bags like santa claus.

recruit where go camp lebel? last time when I took a big bag home, it was full of dirty clothing for washing...like santa claus? many times got to taxi pool, so I don't kena the chow ah soh complaining my uniform stink.

sgdiehard SG

you forget we got young meimei angie here to be the sacrificial lamb.....she is calculating how much of money to squeeze before she sacrifice herself Laughing

the ah ping gor also see how much they can sqeeze... her before they sacrifice their money. oops.....

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