Imo Singapore can be considered a fascist country

Miracles&Prophecies SG

The reason is that these points are prevalent in Singapore:

1. Subversion of law to persecute, jail, bankrupt and deny fair economic opportunity and employment, criminalization of speech, etc

2. The use of intimidation, by police and intelligence(usually by paramilitary force in other fascist nations)

3. Tightly controlled media. Distortion of facts and information.

4. Surveillance of its own people. It regards it own people as 'enemy combatant' or potential enemy combatant'. Are you on their list?

5. Run by a family regime(undemocratic rule).

A fascist country could still have elections. In fact tyrants love elections to give their rule justification that otherwise they couldn't get. Of course there is no such thing as fair election.

If Singapore closes its border then it would shift from being pseudo fascist country to a complete fascist country.

Stevenson101 SG

Ah Chia SG

But what is your definition of fascist state?

Acidshuriken SG

your view hold water maybe 10-20 years ago, but now not so. sg is more authoritarian than facist. and even then, less authoritarian now e.g. new media challenges authority, democracy is here except that people don't want to vote them out etc

Miracles&Prophecies SG

From wikipedia

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology. [5]

Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in conflict against the weak.[6] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8]

There's no clear cut definition on fascism but imo any country governed with a cosmetics democracy while in fact it's ruled by dictatorship which neither a communist nor a true free economist is what I call fascism. Of course liberty and freedom cannot be expected from such countries. Control is the keyword in fascism countries. Total control of everything is the ideal of any fascism country. Freedom is the second casualty of such regime, the truth being the first. In such countries the regime view its own citizen as potential enemy combatant that needs to be controlled. Again control is the keyword in any fascism country.

The fact that the government could deny anybody on 'the list' fair economic opportunity and employment is a visible proof that those in rule has total control even in economy.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

IMO almost any countries especially in South East Asia has to some degree exhibited signs of being a fascist country. But the signs are so prevalent in Singapore than in any other countries in SEA well except Burma which is run by military junta.

Imo there is today no truly open free democratic countries that truly uphold the values of liberty and democracy.

USA used to be the banner carrier of such perceived countries but all has chnaged since September 11.

Stevenson101 SG

IMO almost any countries especially in South East Asia has to some degree exhibited signs of being a fascist country. But the signs are so prevalent in Singapore than in any other countries in SEA well except Burma which is run by military junta.

Imo there is today no truly open free democratic countries that truly uphold the values of liberty and democracy.

USA used to be the banner carrier of such perceived countries but all has chnaged since September 11.

Finally, something that made sense.

But i'd like to point out that there really isn't any open free democractic countries in the first place.

It can be MORE free than those around it, but there has never and most likely ever going to be truely democractic societies.

Ah Chia SG

USA used to be the banner carrier of such perceived countries but all has chnaged since September 11.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Finally, something that made sense.

But i'd like to point out that there really isn't any open free democractic countries in the first place.

It can be MORE free than those around it, but there has never and most likely ever going to be truely democractic societies.

Yes but in Singapore the condition is so bad. The government has too much control without proper check and balance. In other words your government can pretty much do ANYTHING to anyone without regard of the law. It's true if you say that government may have privilege and citizens have their rights but Singapore is ruled by basically a family regime which has maintained status quo for decades.

skythewood SG

But in singapore the conditions is so bad? Are you comparing to other countries in the region? Like which one?

angel7030 SG

i thot We, the citizens of Singapore
Pledge ourselves as one united people
Regardless of race, language or religion
To build a democratic society
Based on justice and equality
So as to achieve happiness, prosperity & progress for our nation.

We not democratic meh, you have the rite to vote mah. Once you voted and the party wins, they sure got the mandate to rule mah, dun tell me govt no power one ar?? NO power and authority, how to rule. Sometime they need to apply the facist style to control mah, but otherwise, we are demorcatic, unlike some rulers around here, not only facist, but faceless, and still can call themselve democratic, more like demon cratic.

Please dun curse and said bad about my govt, i love them. Shake legs and eat my banana with Nestle honey star

angel7030 SG

But in singapore the conditions is so bad? Are you comparing to other countries in the region? Like which one?

Malibu

Stevenson101 SG

Define so bad to me.

The vast majority are still fed and clothed. We still have access to running water and electricity, the internet is still cheaply available. We are free from religious and racist strife that plague our surrounding countries.

Some would dispute my points by posting the homeless elderly in the streets, i am not denying their existence. But the fact remains that that the majority, and a vast majority is still housed and not sleeping in the streets.

Yes, technically and legally the government may do whatever it wishes. That's why i'm so amused by you and polthepanda thinking the government is trying to get rid of you. There's no legistration that's stopping them from simply making both of you disappear(or simply cancel your visa with no explanation), instead leaving you on the net ranting about the government.

I don't really buy the argument that the government has brainwashed the people and oppressed us so we wouldn't protest. Far harsher regimes have failed in this, and only North Korea succeeded by blocking its people to the world.

Not one person i've spoke to about the government really liked all its policies or hail LKY as some omnipotent being.

This "status quo" you speak has provided the majority of Singaporeans with a comfortable enough lifestyle, far better than most in Indonesia i reckon.

That said however, i don't like how things are going and believe that the political status quo needs to change in order for Singapore to survive this century, the world is going to change rapidly in the next few decades and we can't depend on the tube cultured "talents" to react fast enough to this.

I don't however, deny the fact that the PAP government has provided in the past simply because i disagree with it now.

And i certainly do not appreciate foreigners demonizing my country, whether i agree with them or not. If you don't like my country go back to Indonesia and find yourself a university there, you're certainly rich enough to do that.

sgdiehard SG

From wikipedia

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology. [5]

Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in conflict against the weak.[6] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8]

There's no clear cut definition on fascism but imo any country governed with a cosmetics democracy while in fact it's ruled by dictatorship which neither a communist nor a true free economist is what I call fascism. Of course liberty and freedom cannot be expected from such countries. Control is the keyword in fascism countries. Total control of everything is the ideal of any fascism country. Freedom is the second casualty of such regime, the truth being the first. In such countries the regime view its own citizen as potential enemy combatant that needs to be controlled. Again control is the keyword in any fascism country.

The fact that the government could deny anybody on 'the list' fair economic opportunity and employment is a visible proof that those in rule has total control even in economy.

Control is the keyword in fascism countries. with you running around like that, obviously there isn't enough control in Singapore, or it is your own country having no control?

'the list' fair economic opportunity and employment " glad to know the MNC and SME in Singapore share 'the list' of those who are NOT FT to our country. It is not fair to deprive Singaporean ' fair economic opportunity and employment' for some people like you!

"There's no clear cut definition on fascism but imo ......is what I call fascism" Your definition doesn't count.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Control is the keyword in fascism countries. with you running around like that, obviously there isn't enough control in Singapore, or it is your own country having no control?

"There's no clear cut definition on fascism but imo ......is what I call fascism" Your definition doesn't count.

Your opinion doesn't count

Stevenson101 SG

Your opinion doesn't count

I always find it an immense irony that every single hard core anti PAP always end up using the exact same logic as the ruling regime use.