Y Francis Seow e only lawyer arrested for Marxist conspirato

lionnoisy SG

So,u see.

Neither Professor

deepak.c SG

He went to USA for medical treatment,at the mercy of SG gavaman.

But he never comes back,at the hostabitlity of US state department or CIA.

HE IS NOT A PROFESSOR.The most is a visting fellow.

u can read here.

Who says Francis Seow got fixed cos defending ISA detainee?

Has Francis Seow been a Fellow in Harvard Laws School?

I read a letter from then SG Ambassdor to US,SR Nathan,

wrote to US press (Nathan currently SG President),

that Seow was not a Fellow in Harvard Laws School.

So,can u guys,Friends of Francis Seow ,tell me when did

Seow get appointed as Fellow or other post in Harvard?

Here is his answer in 2003.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw03/031019fs.htm

Where is this Department of Asian Studies at Harvard University.?

i am only able to get East Asian Legal Studies,Harvard Law School.

Sorry i am very strict in details and facts.

Manu of u wrote without vertifying.Materials appear in English

and from famous U dunt gurantee true.

oh i think i get it.

If it is true:

http://www.singapore-window.org/ftsview.htm

Francis T. Seow,
Visiting Fellow, East Asian Legal Studies
Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass. USA

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/eals/

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/f.html

can u give me evidences that HE was there.

I still remember SR Nathan ,then Ambassdor to US,

wrote to US press that Seow

was not a Visiting Fellow in Harvard Law School.

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Once Chee Soon Juan refer one ang moh as a professor.

I found out that the guy is a Reader,not a professor.

Seriously, either you are a moron or you have zero comprehension abilities. I thought we have been in this all familiar road before in your previous thread about Francis Seow and you still chose to believe what your delusional brain thinks.

If you were basing your understanding that Francis Seow wasn't ever in Harvard on this article, then seriously it's time to get yourself back in Primary school. The statement just means that at present he is no longer with Harvard, it does not mean he wasn't ever in Harvard. I hope this isn't too complicated for your minute brain to comprehend.

Q. Are you attached to any organisation?

A. I am not quite sure to what you are referring. If you mean whether I am still with Harvard Law School, the answer is no.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw03/031019fs.htm

An archived article by the New York Times:

Evidently Goh Chok Tung, the puppet who is keeping the Prime Minister's seat warm for one of Dictator Lee Kuan Yew's sons, became fearful at the revelation in this space that he may be confronted on his great day by the exiled Singaporean dissident Francis Seow, now a fellow at Harvard Law School.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/20/opinion/essay-singapore-s-fear.html

Even LKY admitted that Francis Seow was in Harvard:

MR LEE SAID HE'S CONVINCED THAT SINGAPORE WILL BECOME BETTER DESPITE THE ATTACKS FROM WESTERN HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS AND FRANCIS SEOW, WHO'S NOW A FELLOW AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY. IN: YOU MAY IMPRESS.... OUT: ...NO VOTES IN SINGAPORE. DUR: .35" MR LEE SAID SINGAPORE HAS TAKEN THE RIGHT STEPS FOR ITS FUTURE AND IT'S NOT IN SINGAPORE'S INTEREST TO HAVE IT SAID THAT ITS JUDGES ARE COMPLIANT OR CORRUPT.

National Heritage Board Archive

Seriously, you should thank god for having a job right now, heaven forbid, if you happen to lose this job, I don't know what else you can do with you level of intelligence or lack of it, even circus clowns need some intelligence to conjure up slapstick. You have zero capacity to learn new things, the question of Francis Seow being in Harvard was proven to you in your previous thread and still you persist in your delusion.

deepak.c SG

I guess a moron will always remain a moron, no chance for a better life, you are cursed with stupidity till life ends, let's hope you do the world a favour and make it sooner than later.

You bring up the same defeated points over again and again.

http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/330910

deepak.c SG

When you were a baby, did your parents accidentally dropped you, head first onto the concrete floor?

Atobe SG

so do u think USA shall be ran by a Harvad Econ Professor?

Seow wanted to get help from Yankees to get the power.

THIS IS THE ONLY REASON HE GOT ARRESTED.

How about i get support from Beijing,u get fr Washington,he get fr KL,

they get from....Wat a mess to ruin Singapore!!

There is only 11 players.the 12 th player is not welcome.

Have LKY got foreign support to get power?

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Singapore ISA detainees under ISD get closed door hearing,

while detainees in Gutanamo did not get any hearing.

Do u know u can hire a lawyer to defend for u in the closed door hearing

under ISA?u can read from opening post .

Did LKY not use foreign support to get into power ?

‘The PAP never convincingly demonstrated that the electorate favoured them over the top Barisan leaders. They won the 1959 election with the left-wing leaders as part of the PAP; The 1961 referendum had only one reasonable choice (the other two would have reduced Singaporeans to second-class citizens in Malaysia); the 1963 election was a snap election fought in the wake of Operation Cold Store, which arrested all the top Barisan leaders; and the 1968 election was boycotted by the Barisan.’

“A declassified British memo revealed that Lee Kuan Yew was secretly a party with Lim Yew Hock in urging the Colonial Secretary to impose the ‘subversives ban'

‘The British agreed. Secret documents now show that London's assessment was that Lim Chin Siong was increasingly bringing pressure to bear on Her Majesty's Government and "unless forestalled by Lee, may well be able to make the pressure decisive."

Lee was grateful. He indicated that "he and his other reputed moderates in the PAP regard the continued presence of the British in Singapore as an assurance for themselves."’

Fearing the increasing communist influence said to be behind the Barisan, Lee and the Tunku put pressure on the British authorities to arrest Lim and other leftists in Singapore for their opposition to Malaysia. On Feb 2, 1961 the police, under Operation Cold Store, detained over 100 people, including Lim.

Do you seriously believe that LKY did not get support also from China so that he can consolidate his own power in Singapore ?

He arrange for the Chinese Government to cut their support for all Communist Party activities in Malaya - which he claimed is backing the politics of Barisan Sosialist.

This is a lie that he continue to perpetuate when he know full well that the Barisan Sosialists was formed by ex-members of the PAP, who were unhappy with LKY insistence in pushing Singapore into merger as part of a larger Malaysia.

Although these members were leaning on 'socialist idealism' as LKY was in his younger days, these ex-PAP members were not Communists.

LKY received support also from the USA to help himself to stay in power by involving Singapore in the US war in Vietnam in the late 1960s, opening Singapore as a logistics base to support US military efforts fighting the Communist forces in Vietnam.

Singapore was a convenient R&R stopover for US personnel taking a break from the war, and allowed them to have near immunity from local entertainment laws in an exclusive facility now known as Serene House.

The US Embassy staff that was accused of interfering in local politics by meeting with Francis Seow over a cup of coffee - is no different from our own Government Leaders and Embassy Staff having informal meeting with members of the Opposition Political Parties in UK, USA, Australia, and New Zealand over tea or coffee.

Our Singapore Embassy staff in these countries has regular meetings to gain the different political views of these members so as to understand how to position our own political stand vis-a-vis those whom LKY see as Allies.

Did the US Embassy Staff cross the line having an informal meeting with Francis Seow without seeking any approval from the Singapore Government - when Francis Seow is not even a public servant ?

The noisy pussy is no better than a carpet beggar for the PAP to use as a mouth piece to spread seemingly innocuous views that pollute the truth and common sense.

Ah Chia SG

Do you seriously believe that LKY did not get support also from China so that he can consolidate his own power in Singapore ?

He arrange for the Chinese Government to cut their support for all Communist Party activities in Malaya - which he claimed is backing the politics of Barisan Sosialist.

That is very interesting, do you have a source on that Atobe?

I know that Lee Kuan Yew began to have contacts with PRC since 1976.

USA in 1971 changed their policy towards China and started to build up relations with China against the Soviet, so Lee Kuan Yew can afford to flirt with Mao and not offend USA.

That's the crucial issue. I told [Taiwan's former president] Chiang Ching-kuo in the mid-1980s: "Why are you stopping your Chinese from going over?" I made that same mistake until I visited China in 1976.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/000608fe.htm

Fantagf SG

I guess a moron will always remain a moron, no chance for a better life, you are cursed with stupidity till life ends, let's hope you do the world a favour and make it sooner than later.

You bring up the same defeated points over again and again.

http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/330910

Send him for IQ test.

Atobe SG

Singapore ISA detainees under ISD get closed door hearing,

while detainees in Gutanamo did not get any hearing.

Do u know u can hire a lawyer to defend for u in the closed door hearing

under ISA?u can read from opening post .

The brain of noisy pussy is at its best when it spreads lies, disinformation and sheer nonsense.

Are the non-military combatant detainees - locked up in Guantanamo Bay detention facilities - not getting any hearing ?

Did something get stuffed into the noisy pussy and got him into an orgasmic overdrive in delusive ideas ?

Can the detainees locked up at Guantanamo Bay be compared to the civilians accused by LKY's administration as ideological subversives - when the Guantanamo detainees are non-military combatants captured from the battlefields of Afghanistan ?

Are there any trials or hearing held in the lockup of Singapore's ISD, which are at best interrogation to coerce confessions from the detainee than a trial being conducted ?

Can the Singapore ISD interrogation be comparable to the US military tribunals created to investigate the guilt of the Guantanamo detainees - that has a tribunal judge, prosecution lawyers representing the State and defense lawyers assigned to the accused all of whom are US Military Officers trained in their legally assigned appointments ?

The noisy pussy must have been drowned in his orgasmic pleasures to have missed out the ‘US Military Tribunal at Guantanamo Bay’ or that he prefers to indulge in his usual pastime of producing garbage.

lionnoisy SG

u guys have brains much better than mine.

Before u sleep tonight,can u help to

explain ----

1.Why did SG need to drag US First Secretary in SG into Francis

Seow arrest?PAP was very powerful.They could just arrest whoever

they wanted.Why did SG need to blacken the name of USA,

right after the worst recession in 1986/1987?

Have u remembered the GATT etc trade restrictions that USA

might impose on SG?

Francis T. Seowto know more about Seow cases.

here.

http://www.nytimes.com/

lionnoisy SG

Why did SG offend USA after the 1986 recession?

Atobe SG

Yes, why did Singapore went out of her way to offend USA ?

Can the noisy pussy cope with the truth ?

‘Singaporean authorities expelled U.S. Embassy First Secretary E. Mason Hendrickson. He was charged with involving himself in domestic politics by encouraging prominent Singapore lawyer Francis Seow to run against the Prime Minister's People's Action Party during the October national elections. The very public manner in which Singapore handled the Hendrickson matter may have reflected anger at Washington's January 1988 decision to end by 1989 the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) privileges exempting 25 percent of Singapore's exports to the U.S. from American duties.

This was done this month. Washington responded to Hendrickson's ouster by expelling a Singaporean diplomat of equal rank from Washington. This was followed by a month-Iong war of words.’

LKY had played high stakes poker with the British Colonial Government when he reminded them of the risks involved if the Colonial Government did not give him the political support by arresting Lim Chin Siong and the ex-PAP members who formed the Barisan Sosialis.

Atobe SG

That is very interesting, do you have a source on that Atobe?

I know that Lee Kuan Yew began to have contacts with PRC since 1976.

USA in 1971 changed their policy towards China and started to build up relations with China against the Soviet, so Lee Kuan Yew can afford to flirt with Mao and not offend USA.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/000608fe.htm

China's support to regional and global insurgencies have been well documented in a 1973 CIA Intelligence Report released in 2007 into the public domain - entitled:

‘Peking’s Support of Insurgencies In Southeast Asia’ (See Page 110 on China’s policies towards Malaya)

LKY's claim - that he had seeked Deng Xiao-Ping's assistance to cut off support to local insurgencies - is well known amongst those who have read his memoirs.

‘In Lee Kuan Yew's memoir, Lee clearly stated that during his meeting with Deng Xiao Ping in late '70s, Lee stunned Deng what overseas Chinese didn't like about PRC and asked CCP to stop rendering "party-to-party" support to those Communist Parties in Southeast Asia.’

In a separate report titled ‘Singapore’s Foreign Policy – Coping with vulnerability : Michael Leifer’ - it indicated that after visiting China in 1979, LKY "let it be known that while in Beijing, he had pointed out how China's support for communist insurgency within South-East Asia was a fundamental obstacle to better relations with regional states" (Page 115).

Unfortunately, was this another one of those self-inflated claims that is typical of LKY attempt at polishing his own image ?

‘On his return to Singapore, Lee announced that China’s government wanted to disengage from any involvement in such insurgencies but was embarrassed shortly after when the Voice of the Malayan Revolution, a clandestine radio station broadcasting from Yunnan, registered open criticism of Singapore’ – (Pg 116).

A different version has now appeared, as seen in a press release from the SG PM's Office, the Media Centre reported a speech by MM LKY at the S.Rajaratnam Lecture 09-April-2009 at Shangri-la Hotel - in which the following was part of his speech:

‘In the 1960s and 1970s, Singapore was berated in the Chinese media as a lackey of the American imperialists. The Malayan Communist Party (MCP) backed by China refused to recognise Singapore’s independence. This changed after Deng Xiaoping visited Singapore in November 1978. It marked a dramatic change in Singapore’s relations with China, and also China’s relations with Southeast Asia. Deng visited Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur before he arrived in Singapore. He personally saw that China had fallen behind these supposedly backward cities. Also, he concluded that China had to stop supporting insurgencies in Southeast Asia if he wanted ASEAN to support the resistance to Vietnam’s invasion of Cambodia.’

US President Nixon had already broken the ice by visiting China in 1972, and had opened China again to the World, which unfortunately was not taken up by the ideologue in Mao - even as the more progressive Chou En-lai had desired progress for China.

It was not until Deng Xiao-ping's visit to Singapore in late 1978 that he was able to appreciate that China had to change course :

‘The emulation of Singapore, an island-state whose population of 2.7 million is 77 percent ethnic Chinese, reflects a growing consensus among China's leaders that prosperity and order are more important than Marxist ideology. Singapore is attractive in that it has enjoyed an economic miracle with political stability in a system dominated by a single political party that the voters regularly return to power by overwhelming margins.'

Despite China's taking Singapore as a model for the economic development of their coastal cities, the regional politics of Southeast Asia require LKY to set a policy that Singapore can establish diplomatic ties with China only after the other ASEAN countries had initiated ties with China first.

Daddy!! SG

The middle east has been in chaos for decades with a lot of US interference. What makes you think that Francis Seow's democratic push with help from the US is going to bring better life in Singapore aka South East Asia. For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east. Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal.

Ah Chia SG

Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal.

In what way same?

Population increasing?

Singapore why second Israel?

We are not oppressing anybody.

Ah Chia SG

For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east.

Like in the old days of Vietnam war.

Atobe SG

How did you come to such a clever observation that - "The middle east has been in chaos for decades with a lot of US interference." ?

Did the US send in troops into the Middle-east to fight alongside Israeli troops - in the same way that the US had sent in more then 400,000 soldiers into Vietnam to support the South Vietnamese Military ?

The closest that the US interfered in the Middle-east affairs was to provide direct military aid to Israel that counter-balance the military aid from Soviet Russia to all the 10 Arab countries that were determined to annihilate Israel militarily.

"What makes you think that Francis Seow's democratic push with help from the US is going to bring better life in Singapore aka South East Asia"

What makes you think that Singapore is "aka South East Asia" ?

Can a Singapore population of 4.4 Million multi-ethnic people that is largely 78% Chinese, 13% Malays, 8% Indians and 1% Eurasian be "aka" representative of the 240 Million Indonesians of which 86% are largely Muslims; or the 98 Million Filipinos who are 81% Catholics; or the 87 Million Vietnamese of which 80% has no religion; or the 66 Million Thais who are 91% Buddhist; or the 48 Million Myanmese with 80% Buddhists; or 26 Million Malaysian with 60% Muslims; or the other smaller nations of Cambodia, Laos and Brunei ?

What makes you think that life cannot be better with a push towards Democracy - with or without US help ?

As matters stand, the present political deadlock is reflective of the "Works-in-Progress" of Thailand's journey towards a higher level of Democracy - in the same path that more mature Democracies have taken in the course of their nation's history.

Thailand today has rid itself from the past Military Dictatorship of ONE Man Rule that was not accountable to the Thai Citizens.

The Thai Citizens have the ability to hold their government responsible for the decisions made against the interests of the nation - can Singaporeans claim the same ability to voice their concern in more vocal ways to be heard ?

Can Singaporeans hold our Government accountable for the mistakes in their decisions forced onto Singaporeans ?

"For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east."

The US has been in Singapore since the Vietnam War in the 1960s - when Singapore open the doors to allow the US military personnel to take an R&R break from the war, giving them a place at the present day Serene House - for unrestricted entertainment that are not subject to local laws, and with the place restricted to Singaporeans.

Even to this day, US Military maintain an active low profile presence in Singapore with their logistic office here being specially invited by the Singapore Government, who has also purpose built the Changi Naval Base in deep waters that allow the largest US Aircraft Carriers to berth and take on new supplies of fuel, ammo, and food.

US combat and support aircrafts operate through Singapore, making regular and frequent landings at Paya Lebar and Changi Air Base.

Besides Singapore, the US naval ships also make frequent stops at other Southeast Asian ports to take on supplies or make minor repairs, and spread their wealth through such visits to other neighboring countries with the encouragement from the Singapore Government.

Does Singapore and the South East Asian region resemble anything like the political instability and insecurity in the Middle-east ?

"Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal."

In the Middle-east, Israel is surrounded by more then 8 countries with populations that have high percentage of Muslims and with Islam as the common State religion.

If you revisit the demographic data given in the preceding paragraph, you will note that between Singapore's two closest neighbors - both may have majority population being Muslims, and only Malaysia has Islam as a State Religion, while Indonesia has maintain itself as a secular state.

With different political history and development of the relationship in ASEAN - compared to the countries in the Middle-east, can Singapore be a second Israel ?

It is dangerous to perpetuate a paranoid "siege" mentality.

deepak.c SG

Some ppl no brain, can't differentiate between religions.

Either that or Singapore has become a Jewish state.

Ah Chia SG

http://revcom.us/a/v23/1120-29/1125/timeline.htm

Atobe SG

http://revcom.us/a/v23/1120-29/1125/timeline.htm

U.S. intervention in the Middle East is to protect their geo-political interests, as in the same way that it directly intervene in Europe and South Korea.

The US has kept itself largely out of any direct interference in the open conflicts that the Arab countries forced onto Israel as part of their agenda to annihilate her.

Over the last 50 years, the involvement of the USA in Middle Eastern Politics is in direct competition to that of the Soviet Union, to prevent the spread of Communism, political and military influence.

The objective of the intervention is prevent the vital oil supplies from being controlled by hostile states and to be allies of the Soviet Union.

US involvement in the global events is to protect their geo-political interests and that of their allies.

This has been an ongoing global competition between ideologies that has existed since the existence of Man and Politics.

Ah Chia SG

The US has kept itself largely out of any direct interference in the open conflicts that the Arab countries forced onto Israel as part of their agenda to annihilate her.

Why do you mean by direct interference?

Send military forces to invade like in Iraq?

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