The 10 highest paid politicians in the world

last SG · 2009-04-02T17:50:56+00:00

got kelong also useless, no fish to catch leonly buy fishes n put in the kelong then say "our FISHES"similar to our FT?

soul_rage SG

i should be paid 3k+ as a fresh grad if i join govt service. what about you?

That means you are just a student then?

Ok, nothing much needs to be discussed any further.

Join this discussion after you join the workforce. You will then understand the views of those who are in the workforce here.

Until then, you will never understand, you will need to experience before you can comprehend why the unhappiness.

skythewood SG

Make what sacrifice?

I don't see it as sacrifice.

yup, good for you.

sacrifice 1.

For all levels, public sector will generally make less money, and less bonus. even the LHL cannnot compare.

sacrifice 2.

You will need to deal with member of public that will demand alot based on this one reasoning: they pay taxes. you will hear this everytime, and they will conveniently forget the fact you are paying taxes too.

sacrifice 3.

In private sector, you just try to make money., and provide service as best as you can. if customers not happy, they can fuck off. in public sector, you cannot pleased everyone. there is always some group of people that is not happy. that will always be a fact. You cannot ask citizens to fuck off.

skythewood SG

That means you are just a student then?

Ok, nothing much needs to be discussed any further.

Join this discussion after you join the workforce. You will then understand the views of those who are in the workforce here.

Until then, you will never understand, you will need to experience before you can comprehend why the unhappiness.

i see that you are demanding alot of answers from me, but simply ignore my questions. hoe much should YOU be paid? try answer some questions and convince me with your argument, not put me down with your "students will never understand" attitude.

That is being elitist.

Ah Chia SG

That means you are just a student then?

No wonder.

He is just a student.

i should be paid 3k+ as a fresh grad if i join govt service.

You are really a student.

skythewood SG

That means you are just a student then?

i should be paid 3k+ as a fresh grad if i join govt service.

You are really a student.

......

this post makes you look like a sec school student.

Try typing post that looks like an adult.

eagle SG

i should be paid 3k+ as a fresh grad if i join govt service. what about you?

guys with 2nd upper and first class honours get ~$3.8k starting at certain govt agencies... But work quite a bit of OT.

eagle SG

yup, good for you.

sacrifice 1.

For all levels, public sector will generally make less money, and less bonus. even the LHL cannnot compare.

sacrifice 2.

sacrifice 3.

sacrifice 1.

For all levels, public sector will generally make less money, and less bonus. even the LHL cannnot compare.

No leh... For engineering grads, public sector is paying more monthly. Just that I got bond with pte company.

But well, that's not stopping me from moving on to tuition to earn more than my peers ;)

sacrifice 2.

True, some citizens can be quite nuisance towards public servants.

sacrifice 3.

They don't ask citizens to fuck off. They just ignore, or direct you to another department, then another, then another and another, and finally back to the first department, who will direct you again. Happened before to someone I knew when the person went to ICA building.

AndrewPKYap SG

Grab the money from us, ERP, COE then...

Why is it the amount the cursed despot takes is not in the list? Combine his and that of his cancer anus son to get the true picture...

BTW is the cursed despot considered a civil servant and his zombie wife entitled to free medical?

starExcaliblur SG

It is really unfair to criticize our politicians of "sucking" money from their people and leave them to poverty which is certainly untrue. Compare yourself to countries like Iraq where the late Saddam Hussein decorated his quarters with gold toilet seats while his people struggled to make ends meet. That is despeicable. However in Singapore, the story is different. Yes the lay person may not be very well-off, but we are not several from adverse poverty just like China experiences in some part of their country. Zimbabwe under Mugabe was a sorry sight too. We play our politicians well to encourage them to do a good job and be less prone to corruption.

Ask yourselves, if the job does not pay well would you be motivating yourself to work hard to be a politician? Just because the source of revenue for the government comes out of your pockets, you are feeling sore about their hefty pay-packets. Why not complain that private corporations are raking in bonuses by the millions? Yes by comparison our country's politicians do earn several times compared to other countries but every country's political system differs. How much do you hear of corruption in Singapore as compared to overseas? Look at Chen Shui Bian or even those nominated to take posts in the Obama administration's treasury. Several of them fail to make the mark due to questionable tax histories and such.

Our labour pool is rather small and attracting talents to join the government is no easy task. Ask yourself, if the pay of a politician is $400k (the equivalent of Obama's) whilst as a doctor you can rake in $600k. What would your choice be? Our pay has to be competitive compared to what other alternatives these people who choose to be politicians have. Dont be hypocritical when you say the politicians are greedy. Dont you wish you could have a bigger house, drive a bigger car or earn a larger wage? Arent these traits of greed? Greed and selfishness is everywhere a human phenomena, an innate nature in fact. Father of economics Adam Smith recognized this as a fundamental driving force behind the market system. By the pursuit of self-interest people promote an end (benefit to society)which was never part of their intention that makes today's market economies possible. To scorn justified pay packets is to condemn the market system and meritocracy. Ask yourself would you rather a system whereby your hard work does not merit an equivalent portion of monetary reward.

Justifications for paying huge amounts of money to entice / retain them in govt seems crap to me. Comparing their salaries with top executives is even more crap.

Motivating them with huge amounts of monetary rewards to do well in their job kinda reminds me of parents motivating their children to do well in their exams by rewarding them with money, gifts etc. This is flawed in the sense that they are doing the job ( serving the people / country ) for a lot of money instead of passion. The same applies to the children that want to do well in exams for the sake of money, gifts etc.

Serving the people / country should not be a job or a career, it should be a service. Only then can the person do it with passion without huge amounts of monetary rewards in mind. Unfortunately, this is not happening at all.

So are they serving the people / country with huge monetary rewards in mind or with passion in mind?

Atobe SG

President calls for mechanism to hold CEOs accountable for performance

Lesson to draw from the statement is that Singaporeans should be suspicious of the "ideology of high pay" that is propounded by the beneficiaries of such ideology.

skythewood SG

No leh... For engineering grads, public sector is paying more monthly. Just that I got bond with pte company.

But well, that's not stopping me from moving on to tuition to earn more than my peers ;)

True, some citizens can be quite nuisance towards public servants.

Public pay more than private? really? do you mean starting pay?

The redirecting will result in complains and someone will still need to answer. but more likely than not, it's your friend got weird problem or he screwed up somewhere.

There is no such thing as endless referal. you will always be around, cannot fuck off to another country...

skythewood SG

Justifications for paying huge amounts of money to entice / retain them in govt seems crap to me. Comparing their salaries with top executives is even more crap.

So are they serving the people / country with huge monetary rewards in mind or with passion in mind?

sure... if US president do serve for free....

soul_rage SG

yup, good for you.

sacrifice 1.

For all levels, public sector will generally make less money, and less bonus. even the LHL cannnot compare.

sacrifice 2.

sacrifice 3.

Public sector earns more than private sector

Wrong count on that one. Many areas in the public sectors can make more money. Their starting pay is actually higher than that of private sectors. Not to mention that public sector has more stability compared to private sector.

LHL earns more in private? Are you very sure about that? Why do you think he can take up a top position in the 1st place if he is in the private sector? Is he really a top talent? Maybe you should name what he has achieved to justify he is a talent in the 1st place.

Dealing with Members of Public

I don't understand. Is this a sacrifice? If you work for a private company, you answer to the shareholders and stakeholders. If you work for the public sector, you answer to members of public. If you cannot handle the public, then it's not a sacrifice, but only that you are incapable of handling interpersonal relationships

Private Sector. Asking customers to F--k Off

Wrong on this count as well. Customers are the most demanding (Sometimes even more than the public), and there will always be unhappy customers. A top talent do not just tell the most demanding to f--k off (that shows the incapability of the person to handle interpersonal relationships again), but to be able to manage the expectations of the customer.

From the above, I still feel you do not know enough of both sides to comment. But, I commend your efforts to try to justify the difference. At least it's a fruitful discussion, rather than those who think that our leaders are justified in their astronomical pay, but yet, do not even know WHY. Sad.

eagle SG

Public pay more than private? really? do you mean starting pay?

The redirecting will result in complains and someone will still need to answer. but more likely than not, it's your friend got weird problem or he screwed up somewhere.

There is no such thing as endless referal. you will always be around, cannot fuck off to another country...

Public pay more than private? really? do you mean starting pay?

Yup. Definitely. You going to grad soon, never do homework on salaries ah?

The redirecting will result in complains and someone will still need to answer. but more likely than not, it's your friend got weird problem or he screwed up somewhere.

There is no such thing as endless referal. you will always be around, cannot fuck off to another country...

Face reality. There's a problem with the service quality; there's definitely nothing wrong about my friend.

Jack Neo also realised that this sort of things happen in civil service, and made a mockery out of it in his movie. It happens all too frequently.

eagle SG

Public sector earns more than private sector

Dealing with Members of Public

Private Sector. Asking customers to F--k Off

One more thing about public sector. You ask citizens to fuck off, the job and salaries for the top management is still safe.

In private companies, you ask customers to fuck off, the job and salaries for the top management is at stake because sales will definitely decline.

skythewood SG

Public sector earns more than private sector

Dealing with Members of Public

Private Sector. Asking customers to F--k Off

yawn...

starting pay is everything ah? you go out to the street and ask anyone who gets more money, public or private, see what is the answer. LHL will never find out... he is stuck in govt le. Just like the rest of the people who sacrificed.

public is more nuisance than private. shareholders don't breathe down your neck every minute. the public do. and they will post stuff on forum, on STOMP about it. more scrutiny from public.

If you are the boss, and the customer piss you off enough, you just tell them fuck off... ask any taxi driver or hawker center boss... But not so for trolls against the government. They will always be breathing down the neck of govt.

Read my reply before giving more comments. being judgemental is sad.

soul_rage SG

That is being elitist.

I AM elitist. A product of the govt. A elitist govt who is detached from the mundane pains of the people.

I will tell you what should I be paid. I should be paid Market Rate, meaning that the market range that is paid to my peers in the same sector or similar position as me. It means I do not compare myself with doctors, lawyers, engineers because I am not in their sector.

So since you say you should be paid $3+k, why do you think you should be paid $3k+? Is it only because that's what the starting pay is for your domain, and that also equates to market rate for starting grads in that domain?

So do you now know what Market Rate is? Do you agree that our govt should be paid market rate for their work too?

skythewood SG

I AM elitist. A product of the govt. A elitist govt who is detached from the mundane pains of the people.

So do you now know what Market Rate is? Do you agree that our govt should be paid market rate for their work too?

i believe in to and fro conversation. i answer your question, you answer mine. How much do you expect?

soul_rage SG

yawn...

public is more nuisance than private. shareholders don't breathe down your neck every minute. the public do. and they will post stuff on forum, on STOMP about it. more scrutiny from public.

Read my reply before giving more comments. being judgemental is sad.

If you are going to start in the public sector, and you have not worked in private before, what gives you the right to make the comments above?

me being judgemental? I am being spot on that you do not have the experience (thus not the right) to make comments about the private sector.

If you work in the private sector with that attitude above, I think you will be sacked within a few months.

Yes I am sad. Sad for your callous attitude to handle interpersonal relationships

soul_rage SG

i believe in to and fro conversation. i answer your question, you answer mine. How much do you expect?

I already answered you. It's based on market rate. And since you are so interested to know my pay, mine's 5-figure each month.

So answer me, do you know what market rate is now?

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