The 10 highest paid politicians in the world

last SG · 2009-04-02T17:50:56+00:00

got kelong also useless, no fish to catch leonly buy fishes n put in the kelong then say "our FISHES"similar to our FT?

eagle SG

okok dun argue liao :(

I post this thread to let everyone read the article I found, not get into bickers :(

soul_rage SG

The 2nd election after GRC was implemented, opposition has never won a GRC I think. They won 3-men ones before the first election it was implemented.

Wrote that in my political essay in NUS :(

He's running out of things to say.

Hey eagle, how long already since you first started work? Can private msg me, just thinking time flies.

skythewood SG

quote from skythewood

"If you are the boss, and the customer piss you off enough, you just tell them fuck off... ask any taxi driver or hawker center boss... But not so for trolls against the government. They will always be breathing down the neck of govt."

If a taxi driver dares to tell customers to f--k off, all customers need to do is to lodge a complaint, and the taxi driver will be disciplined or in worse cases, strike off the list of registered drivers.

If a hawker tells people to f--k off, well, their food better be good, otherwise, the only person affected by this callous attitude, is the hawker himself (loss of revenue).

In fact, you are over-simplifying the private sector. You feel like all of us in private sector are bosses, so we can tell the customer to f--k off.

Ask any customer service officer if he dares to do that in his company. He will probably be sacked the next day. In the public sector, this person may be counselled or disciplined, and still have a job, but in the private sector, due to the pressures from shareholders and revenue figures, the errant customer service officer has a higher likelihood of being sacked immediately.

yup, my bad, the example does not cover everything.

yes, customer service people work hard to please people. but if a guy with a broken LCD that is obviously, due to self negligence, and keeps on emphasising that it is covered by warranty... will be told to fucked off, politely.

soul_rage SG

okok dun argue liao :(

I post this thread to let everyone read the article I found, not get into bickers :(

debating is fun :)

Sometimes the person may not admit it, but internally he may analyze his own comments after the discussion and acknowledge certain things and improve himself.

skythewood SG

You are still not acknowledging your offensive and childish attitude.

We don't have to discuss further, because you do not dare to even face yourself and admit your own terrible attitude.

As I said, leaders in the govt should follow the mode of "Servant Leadership", so long as the PAP pays such ridiculous $$$, I will never join them. There are other ways to serve the people.

By the way, have you read what Servant Leadership is yet? Have you found the salary survey yet?

you said they should follow. you also said people with no experience should not comment. LHL and LKY more experience than you, so should you shut up? nope, not looking at the servant leadership, not looking at survey.

Why don't you run for govt? Do you dare say that you won't be making sacrifices if you run for govt?

soul_rage SG

yup, my bad, the example does not cover everything.

so now you are changing your stance?

At the start you say anyone can just ask a customer to f--k off.

Now you start putting in new assumptions to convince yourself you are right?

hahaha

skythewood SG

The 2nd election after GRC was implemented, opposition has never won a GRC I think. They won 3-men ones before the first election it was implemented.

Wrote that in my political essay in NUS :(

good point. yup, never win. so is there more people running before the change?

soul_rage SG

Why don't you run for govt? Do you dare say that you won't be making sacrifices if you run for govt?

see? You don't want to learn, preferring to stay in your own little well.

I asked you to read those articles not for my benefit, but for yourself. It's up to you if you want to improve your own knowledge

Govt? Well, I was asked to join one of their committees before. Simply put, I am not able to convince myself 100% that I am not in for the $$$, so I declined (not ask people to f--k off).

I WILL make sacrifices if I join the govt, becoz I believe in SERVANT LEADERSHIP (which you still don't know what it means)

skythewood SG

so now you are changing your stance?

At the start you say anyone can just ask a customer to f--k off.

Now you start putting in new assumptions to convince yourself you are right?

hahaha

haha. refer to example.

"At the start you say anyone can just ask a customer to f--k off."

really? i said that? if i make mistake, i can say i am wrong and change. too bad that i am not perfect.

this is my post.

If you are the boss, and the customer piss you off enough, you just tell them fuck off... ask any taxi driver or hawker center boss... But not so for trolls against the government. They will always be breathing down the neck of govt.

did i say anyone? wow, my words got twisted. like so bad.

skythewood SG

see? You don't want to learn, preferring to stay in your own little well.

I asked you to read those articles not for my benefit, but for yourself. It's up to you if you want to improve your own knowledge

Govt? Well, I was asked to join one of their committees before. Simply put, I am not able to convince myself 100% that I am not in for the $$$, so I declined (not ask people to f--k off).

I WILL make sacrifices if I join the govt, becoz I believe in SERVANT LEADERSHIP (which you still don't know what it means)

i make it easier for you. make a pledge to donate all the money to charity. so go join the govt.

now you don't need to decline (or to tell them to fuck off)

eagle SG

good point. yup, never win. so is there more people running before the change?

My essay written very long ago already... (Got A- cuz my referencing got a bit of error... if not should get A :( )

Anyway... what I thought was the cost of running for election. You need to pay an election deposit. Last time, independents run. Also got more political parties than now. Each of them can take one seat to contest for...

However, after a while, certain seats are not as hotly contested because they know the support for pple like LKY or GCT was very high.

Nowadays, with mega GRCs, election deposits are much larger for that GRC. Not as affordable liao. Also, almost no chance for independents to run for elections; they have to form a group to contest for a GRC.

Also, PAP uses stewarts like LKY and GCT to contest in mega GRCs, making it harder for others to break. If you realise, the other MPs that contest together with LKY or GCT in the same GRC are usually newer ones with little battle/combat experience in the political arena.

soul_rage SG

i make it easier for you. make a pledge to donate all the money to charity. so go join the govt.

now you don't need to decline (or to tell them to fuck off)

you are going nuts hahaha.

go read Servant Leadership first, before discussing more, to understand why people are so frustrated with the govt.

skythewood SG

you are going nuts hahaha.

go read Servant Leadership first, before discussing more, to understand why people are so frustrated with the govt.

haha, because you say too much money is a problem for you, so i give you simple solution

i know why people is frustrated with govt, not that naive, so need people who can do, and not just talk...will read up on it when i have time.

soul_rage SG

haha. refer to example.

"At the start you say anyone can just ask a customer to f--k off."

really? i said that? if i make mistake, i can say i am wrong and change. too bad that i am not perfect.

this is my post.

did i say anyone? wow, my words got twisted. like so bad.

When you quote selected articles, you are escaping from a lot of incorrect things you have said.

Your comment above was made based on your stance that public sector has more sacrifices than private sector. When asking to give examples on why public sector sacrifice more, you posted the above.

You were already implying that all of us are bosses in the private sector, that's why we can ask people to f--k off.

Yeah good, at least you are beginning to think carefully before you post now.

skythewood SG

My essay written very long ago already... (Got A- cuz my referencing got a bit of error... if not should get A :( )

However, after a while, certain seats are not as hotly contested because they know the support for pple like LKY or GCT was very high.

eerrr... since you did the essay, i thought you will have the number of people running before and after the change. But since you don't have the info, than ok loh

don't think i want to go into detail on GRC here. I think GRC sucks.

eagle SG

eerrr... since you did the essay, i thought you will have the number of people running before and after the change. But since you don't have the info, than ok loh

don't think i want to go into detail on GRC here. I think GRC sucks.

I don't think I counted then number of people for my essay. And it was so long ago -.-"

But you can find it on the election website. The names of the contestants as well.

skythewood SG

When you quote selected articles, you are escaping from a lot of incorrect things you have said.

Your comment above was made based on your stance that public sector has more sacrifices than private sector. When asking to give examples on why public sector sacrifice more, you posted the above.

You were already implying that all of us are bosses in the private sector, that's why we can ask people to f--k off.

Yeah good, at least you are beginning to think carefully before you post now.

haha, ok... so you have that impression...

now i ask you a simple question, no quotes no nothing, you just answer straight. public and private, which one gets more pay, on average.

average also covers time, so not only starting pay, but throughout.

speakup- SG

If altruism and passion is everywhere a form of human nature, then our market economies are all bullshit. But it is precisely because we are motivated by self-interest that today's market economies thrive under a meritocratic system and allow people to accumulate unprecedented wealth. To soul_rage, even if i do not doubt that you have so much passion to serve our nation even for a peanut pay, i doubt there are sufficiently many such people that are willing to do it. And it is not offending to ask, what is your current pay? Has it occured to you that because even half a public servant's pay is more than your current, you are willing to accept that pay cut? Assume now that the government offers you a job to "serve the people so very passionately" but offers you only 75% of your current pay. What is your take now?

Market conditions should not be considered as relative. Just as prices of goods across borders does not equilibrate due to other external factors affecting cost conditions and correspondingly the demand and supply, using the pay of other politicians in other countries to determine whether our politicians are overpaid is not justified.Simply put it is because there are a shortage of willing politicians here that jack up the wages that they command. Simple economic theory: scarcity is power. If you need the demand and supply diagram I can draw it for you. While it is true that you cannot compare public and private sector wages across the board to determine whether politicians are overpaid, the private sector alternative is very real to someone choosing between a job as a public servent and as a private investor for example. There are opportunity costs to be incurred and more specifically in this case, transfer incomes. For any rational worker, he would only switch from one job to another when the alternative pays him the equivalent or better than the current job, assuming the absence of all other non-pecuniary incentives. If you dont put the right incentives in the right place, how do you ensure that you are getting the right people for the right job? If you want monkeys pay peanuts, you want mice you pay cheese, simple logic. And honestly not that I doubt your credentials but if you are in a position of lets say a CEO and you can earn $5 million a year. If the government you offer a place as president for $400k you think you will take? What you are willling to recieve for a job is not just an arbituary value but what you can actually command in the job market based on your qualifications. A beggar on the street can easily say 'wah the government pay me $1000 a month i also willingly be minister'. That is ludicrious if you are smart enough to realize but this example is not far off from your claim that you would be willing to take up a post in the government for less than what the existing ones are drawing. You know what is in it for you and compared to your current post the government job would be an improvement. So you are afterall rational and selfish like everyone else is. There is nothing wrong with pursuing material gratification. It is out of this selfishness and competition in the economic marketplace that we can see unprecedented growth in the world and income levels.

And soul_rage if i could draw your attention to the following data http://www.scribd.com/doc/328232/United-Nations-Gini-Coefficient, our gini is not as you have mentioned but close to that of the United States in fact. Just compare Namibia and Singapore you'll get what i mean when i suggest that the state of inequality here is not severe.

skythewood SG

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this is why i don't like quotes and reference that much

soul_rage SG

haha, ok... so you have that impression...

now i ask you a simple question, no quotes no nothing, you just answer straight. public and private, which one gets more pay, on average.

average also covers time, so not only starting pay, but throughout.

Ok, I stop poking fun at you.

Sometimes, the simple question is not a simple question, your question

"Public and private, which gets more pay, on average" is not easy to answer, coz you are making it too general.

First of all, a starting job in the public sector mostly can be higher than the private sector.

Overtime, the private sector pay may catch up coz increments can be larger depending on company performance. For example, in this horrible crisis, public sector pay should be better than private sector pay right now.

Basically, if you want a stable job, go to public for its stable increments and job security, but private offers more risks and benefits as well.

So like I said, there's no sacrifice of one over the other.

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