S'pore needs immigrants to survive: MM

last SG · 2009-03-22T13:37:41+00:00

Nobody is saying we don't need new immigrants. Just that it seems to be increasing at a rate that is too close for comfort. An anology here. There are curre...

Ah Chia SG

It's pro-western biased propaganda junk.

You can't see it now because your knowledge is at a low level, not high level.

Explain everything will take too long and walls of text.

You can increase your knowledge bit by bit by going to below sites for info, before going into the details or larger picture:

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
http://www.globalresearch.ca
http://www.counterpunch.org
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.atimes.com

http://therealnews.com

http://www.spacewar.com
http://news.google.com
http://wiredispatch.com
http://www.alternet.org

http://www.energybulletin.net
http://www.fpif.org
http://www.flonnet.com

http://en.rian.ru
http://english.pravda.ru
http://www.russiatoday.ru

http://en.fondsk.ru

http://exiledonline.com

http://www.spiegel.de/international
http://mondediplo.com

http://english.people.com.cn
http://www.chinaview.cn
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion
http://www.china.org.cn/china/node_1033982.htm

http://allafrica.com

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.plenglish.com
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/
http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/principalingles.htm
http://www.coha.org

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net

http://www.chomsky.info/articles.htm

http://www.killinghope.org

http://www.agenceglobal.com/author.asp?type=2&id=245

http://www.michaelparenti.org

http://howardzinn.org/default

http://petras.lahaine.org

http://www.johnpilger.com

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk

http://www.robert-fisk.com/home_page.htm

http://www.slate.com/?id=3944&cp=117404

http://www.gregpalast.com

http://www.johnperkins.org

http://www.georgegalloway.com

http://www.alternet.org/authors/5591

http://www.tomdispatch.com

http://www.tariqali.org

http://www.michael-hudson.com

http://www.ericmargolis.com

http://markcurtis.info

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/stephen_kinzer/

left wing:

http://www.monthlyreview.org

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org

http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag

http://www.wsws.org

http://www.socialistworker.org

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk

http://www.isreview.org

http://www.greenleft.org.au

http://www.newleftreview.org

angel7030 SG

You can learn all the new sklls you want.

But there will still be a foreigner equally skilled and willing to work for a lower wage than you.

Really.

well, aren't we competing in globalised world, I dun mind it if i can be productive than he/she does, and i dun mind he/she becoming my boss if he/she can prove herself to be.

Globalisation begin when internet bloomed and world start to interconnect with each other, that was in the late 90s and early 2000s when i was still in Secondary sch. And till now, peoples are still not enlighted to understand that you are not competing with the local market anymore, but a international market. Sure it is tough, but on the other hands, it helped us to progress, fight for our living and improve our strength of surviving.

angel7030 SG

It's pro-western biased propaganda junk.

You can't see it now because your knowledge is at a low level, not high level.

Explain everything will take too long and walls of text.

You can increase your knowledge bit by bit by going to below sites for info, before going into the details or larger picture:

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
http://www.globalresearch.ca
http://www.counterpunch.org
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.atimes.com

http://therealnews.com

http://www.spacewar.com
http://news.google.com
http://wiredispatch.com
http://www.alternet.org

http://www.energybulletin.net
http://www.fpif.org
http://www.flonnet.com

http://en.rian.ru
http://english.pravda.ru
http://www.russiatoday.ru

http://en.fondsk.ru

http://exiledonline.com

http://www.spiegel.de/international
http://mondediplo.com

http://english.people.com.cn
http://www.chinaview.cn
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion
http://www.china.org.cn/china/node_1033982.htm

http://allafrica.com

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.plenglish.com
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/
http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/principalingles.htm
http://www.coha.org

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net

http://www.chomsky.info/articles.htm

http://www.killinghope.org

http://www.agenceglobal.com/author.asp?type=2&id=245

http://www.michaelparenti.org

http://howardzinn.org/default

http://petras.lahaine.org

http://www.johnpilger.com

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk

http://www.robert-fisk.com/home_page.htm

http://www.slate.com/?id=3944&cp=117404

http://www.gregpalast.com

http://www.johnperkins.org

http://www.georgegalloway.com

http://www.alternet.org/authors/5591

http://www.tomdispatch.com

http://www.tariqali.org

http://www.michael-hudson.com

http://www.ericmargolis.com

http://markcurtis.info

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/stephen_kinzer/

left wing:

http://www.monthlyreview.org

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org

http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag

http://www.wsws.org

http://www.socialistworker.org

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk

http://www.isreview.org

http://www.greenleft.org.au

http://www.newleftreview.org

Uncle!, so these all the links that makes what you are now...hmmm..we better stay far far away from it.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Uncle!, so these all the links that makes what you are now...hmmm..we better stay far far away from it.

Stay really far. Makes him look like a commie.

GHoST_18 SG

u can be very productive but in the end,

there is still someone equally or more productive and yet cheaper to hire...

Ah Chia SG

Makes him look like a commie.

The dog's old trick?

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01

angel7030 SG

just to clarify, Uncle, u mean the trick is old or the dog is old?? Please lah no more link, i am getting brain washed by all your links..

4sg SG

just to clarify, Uncle, u mean the trick is old or the dog is old?? Please lah no more link, i am getting brain washed by all your links..

OMG You really clicked on all the links?.....

angel7030 SG

u can be very productive but in the end,

there is still someone equally or more productive and yet cheaper to hire...

So be it, the govt intervention will help you out, it is not that singaporeans now got no jobs, just that there is a structural unemployment going on due to the economic crisis.

A talent person from another country actually do not wish to come here, he/she will prefer his/her own country, however, because of his/her country poor system to provide them a decent job, they left their home in search for better pasture. And here in Singapore, being multi cultural, peaceful and harmony, they choosed here to be part of their life if not forever.

The issue is that most singaporeans pick on them to be a job snatcher and that the govt immigration policy is a total disadvantage to them. But I see it as an opportunity for me to use them to the advantage of Singaporeans. There are many foreign business and firms here with foreign talents that created many jobs for singaporeans.

The fact that i got PRC and thai gals here earning money for us is a gift, you simply cannot find singaporeans doing it. If you cannot make in life, dun blame here and there, ask yourself, what fxxk had you been doing all these years?? To me, all Singaporeans should be a boss by now

speakup- SG

Wow thats a lot of links Ah Chia I sure salute you. So please tell me how those that handful of websites prove a better read than mainstream publications. Does their value lie in the fact that they concur with you and publish less mainstream views?

Angel7030 has pointed out that presence of foreign workers may actually benefit us which is something I agree with. One of the expects is that competition breeds higher work quality and high work productivity. Under constant competition we are forced to better ourselves as workers and employees to increase our employability.

Also angel correctly pointed out that in the age of globalisation it is no longer about competition within our domestic markets but internation markets. With globalisation markets are able to transcend physical boundaries to sell their products anywhere and employ anyone anywhere to do a job if its more cost effective. Whether the foreigners are actually here for us to physically observe them 'stealing' our jobs or not, the inherent threat of them to replace us should already be a motivation for us to improve our employability.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Makes him look like a commie.

The dog's old trick?

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01

Your list of websites makes you look like a commie. All radical or far left.

Ah Chia SG

All radical or far left.

There are only a few socialist and cuban news sites, no communist propaganda sites.

Below are communist propaganda websites:

http://www.mltoday.com
http://www.marxist.com
http://www.marxists.org
http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org
http://www.cpa.org.au/guardian/guardian.html

GHoST_18 SG

So be it, the govt intervention will help you out, it is not that singaporeans now got no jobs, just that there is a structural unemployment going on due to the economic crisis.

and yes, im thankful to the PRCs and thais for containing the perverts at ur so called pub...

and please look beyond the 4 walls of ur so called pub, the world is actually a lot bigger...

fishbuff1 SG

and yes, im thankful to the PRCs and thais for containing the perverts at ur so called pub...

and please look beyond the 4 walls of ur so called pub, the world is actually a lot bigger...

so angel07030 is a pimp??!

starExcaliblur SG

Hi starexcalibur i really appreciate your post its really quite enlightening for me. I especially found the last 2 paragrahs really thought provoking. I think its true that afterall everyone is in it for the money and that is way we have to try to preserve our social fabric at large. We welcome foreigners and we allow them into our community but we do have to bear in mind that we, the true Singaporeans are afterall what makes up this country and it is important to keep the core of our population together.

Nonetheless Im still not thoroughly convinced that the problem of foreigners being able to fight with our own people at almost every level of skilled and unskilled labour is really that prevalent. I mean unemployment rates havent been shooting up in the last few years and people's main complaints have been in the lower tiers of employment. Perhaps you can refer me to some articles so I can get a clearer picture on these aspects.

I agree with you that getting more 'skilled' is not an instant solution. But what I do believe is that getting 'multi-skilled' can solve the problem. I may be wrong to assume this, but the skilled labour from the neighbouring ASEAN countries where the chief source of foreigners are coming are more 'mono-skilled'. Perhaps it is because their country's development and education has just taken flight. Hence I actually hold strongly to the idea that being more versed in more than one skill may actually increase one's employability.

Afraid I can't refer you to any articles, maybe you can ask your working friends, relatives who are working in technical jobs or search the internet.

Consider this scenario:

If you are the employer and tasked to hire a person from these 2 people for a technical job, who will you hire?

A. A local who had the technical skills, qualifications, experience and is asking for a monthly pay of $1800.

B. A skilled foreigner who also had the same technical skills, qualifications, experience and is asking for a monthly pay of $1600.

The answer should be obvious as the job will most likely goes to the foreigner.

The skilled foreigners are mainly from asian countries such as Philippines, India and China. They have technical degrees and had worked in their countries as engineers for a couple of years before coming here.

As for being multi-skilled to enhance one's employment, well, that translates to me as being able to do 3 or more persons jobs and still be paid the salary of one.

youyayu SG

so angel07030 is a pimp??!

speakup- SG

I understand your example and i thoroughly agree with your conclusion. However it is insufficient to show on a larger scale whether this has been happening on a large scale and if so why are Singaporeans still preferred. And honestly if the new requirements of today is to be able to do the job of 3 persons to earn your keep then i guess its just all about adaptation. Its not something we can change. If we were to suggest protectionistic policies in terms of labour flows, then our own entrepreneurs would suffer when they go to countries like China and India who will retaliate with policies of their own as we choose to shun their cheap labour. Protectionism is a beggar-thy-neighbour policy and is always harmful for globalisation. Singapore's urgent need to be part of the global economy just means that we have to be ever-adapting and ever-changing to meet the needs of the new global economy.

eagle SG

Afraid I can't refer you to any articles, maybe you can ask your working friends, relatives who are working in technical jobs or search the internet.

Consider this scenario:

If you are the employer and tasked to hire a person from these 2 people for a technical job, who will you hire?

A. A local who had the technical skills, qualifications, experience and is asking for a monthly pay of $1800.

B. A skilled foreigner who also had the same technical skills, qualifications, experience and is asking for a monthly pay of $1600.

The answer should be obvious as the job will most likely goes to the foreigner.

As for being multi-skilled to enhance one's employment, well, that translates to me as being able to do 3 or more persons jobs and still be paid the salary of one.

Welcome to the rat race.

I rather be able to do 2 person's job, and be paid the amount of 2, like now

eagle SG

Honestly speaking, you will kill yourself by working harder and making yourself able to do the job of 3 persons just to earn your keep.

When you are over 40, and anything happens, or another recession appears, you will be over qualified. Your bills will pile up... etc... Because we will have more and more people being able to do the same, including foreigners. And if we keep this up, one day, you will need to be able to do the job of 5 persons just to earn your keep.

Instead, one should aim to be able to do the job that few people (and especially foreigners) can do, and that few can do it well. Be different. Be unique. That's the key.

angel7030 SG

and yes, im thankful to the PRCs and thais for containing the perverts at ur so called pub...

and please look beyond the 4 walls of ur so called pub, the world is actually a lot bigger...

If u shut up, nobody will say you are a ghost.

U think i got one pub with 4 walls only ar?? who dunno the world is bigger than a pub, just that many people like you like to think domestically rather than global.

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