Enough. Let me simplify this to some Yes/No questions.
Do I agree that Hamas should be condemned for launching rockets
into Israel? Yes
Do I agree that Hamas should stop the violence against Israel?
Yes
Do I agree that Israel has the right to self-defence when it
is attacked? Yes
Are you attempting to whitewash your own position compared
to the wild rhetoric of the Palestinians being treated in similar
holocaust manner ?
I'm not siding with either side as you think I am. Because most
of you are either condemning Israel or Hamas, it results in an
unbalanced view. Let's see you answer some questions:
Do you agree that Israel has been enforcing a blockade on Gaza,
preventing food, fuel and medical supplies for most of the time
after Hamas won the 2006 elections? Yes/No
Do you agree that Israel has control over the Gazan borders?
Yes/No
Do you agree that a country which has no control over its
borders has no real sovereignty at all? Yes/No
For one who claim not to take sides, it is odd that you
are putting all your efforts to argue and justify the
actions of the Palestinians led by Hamas.
You must have learnt the art of deceit
from Hamas.
Why does Israel treat the West Bank's Palestinians and Gaza's
differently? Well, for one, the Fatah government is subservient to
the Israelis. If Fatah ever dared to step out of line like Hamas,
the West Bank will definitely get invaded.
Do the Palestinian in the West Bank fire rockets into
Israel ?
Subservient or knowing one's own strength and weaknesses in
order not to invite destruction on one's own community ?
Intelligence in not jeopardising the little progress by
expanding what is available at hand - as seen by the contrast in
living standards of the Palestinians on the West Bank compared to
those in Gaza.
Are you being neutral, or are you not simply following Hamas'
rhetoric in condemning and sabotaging President Abbas efforts to
find a solution with Israel for a two nation state to co-exist
?
Why did Israel blockade Gaza after Hamas won in a democratic
election? Not Yes/No, but surely you can handle structured
questions.
Can you handle intelligence thought processes, or are you
limited to structured thinking only ?
Are you not simply denying the obvious ?
Are you not aware of Hamas declared agenda towards Israel ?
Would you allow Hamas to exist as a neighbor when it will evict
a legitimately elected government from ruling the Gaza Strip and
usurp political power for itself ?
Your declared neutrality at the beginning of your
reply is obviously missing now by your obvious display of
mindless dishonesty.
"[Jimmy] Carter said that election
was "orderly and fair" and Hamas triumphed, in part, because it was
"shrewd in selecting candidates," whereas a divided, corrupt Fatah
ran multiple candidates for single seats.
Far from encouraging Hamas's
move into parliamentary politics, Carter said the US and Israel,
with European Union acquiescence, has sought to subvert the outcome
by shunning Hamas and helping Abbas to keep the reins of political
and military power.
"That action was criminal," he
said in a news conference after his speech."
- Carter: Stop favoring Fatah over
Hamas- http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813074587&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Jimmy Carter is a Bible hugging Pacifist that ignore the
political reality of events around the World.
Hamas may have candidates that won selected seats in the
Palestinian parliament.
It does not have enough seats to form a government.
If it has the intelligence of selecting candidates - why has
Hamas failed to have enough candidates that are acceptable
to the Palestinian population that supported the PLA movement
now led by President Abbas ?
Why did nearly half of the Palestinian population move out of
Gaza on the day that Hamas unlawfully seized political power from
the legitimately elected government of President Abbas ?
Why did Hamas forcibly prevent the remaining Palestinian
population from leaving the Gaza Strip and created a stand-off for
more then seven days until an Egyptian brokered deal allowed those
Palestinians to move through Israeli territory into the West Bank
?
Carter is a fool and remain so till this day, with little
support or respect as an individual even from his own
fellow-American.
He is only good as a Peanut Farmer, and from the Singapore
experience, you should know what is the worth of those
who only know how to value "peanuts" over all
else.
Then, considering that the nature of both parties' weapons are
different, even if Hamas doesnt announce rocket launchings, like it
will, Israeli casualties from their rocket attacks pale in
comparison to the warned Israeli airstrikes. Does it really take a
lot of thinking to get the idea that the impact from thousand-pound
bombs is massively larger than homemade rockets? The death toll on
both sides already demonstrates that fact.
The death toll is largely due to Hamas own efforts to
sacrifice the lives of the Palestinians to achieve their own
political agenda.
What they cannot hope to win militarily, they hope to win by
political deceit through propaganda.
Did Israel use thousand pounds or were the bombs approximately
half of what you are not propagandizing for Hamas ?
Even the concrete busting bombs do not have to weigh a thousand
pounds - do you think the efficiency of the Israeli scientist is so
poor that they will waste explosives in the manner that you are
exagerating ?
The death toll is uneven due to Hamas wilfull acts of putting
their own Palestinian lives in danger, but attacking Israel from
heavily populated areas in the Gaza Strip, by locating their most
highly prized ammunition storage facilities in the midst of densely
populated residential and commercial areas, by abusing the
neutrality of the hospitals and mosques to be used as ammunition
storage facilities.
As I said, launching rockets into Israel is despicable. But, try
to put yourself in their shoes. If a foreign power was oppressing
you and your people, would you not resist? Saying that they
purposely launched rockets from civilian-populated areas (where are
there no civilians in Gaza?) is like saying that the Viet Cong in
South Vietnam purposely used their own people as a shield without
any scruples. Its not like they are foreign fighters. What would
you call ordinary Gazans rising up against a foreign power that is
invading their country? Let's say, a Gazan teacher has had
enough with tolerating Israel's inhumane treatment of Gazans and
decides to aid Hamas, his democratically elected government.
Israeli intelligence spots him and bombs his school. Was it his
intention to get the school bombed in order to get sympathy for
Hamas? I dont think so. Resisting against the Israeli occupiers was
his priority. Can you understand this?
If launching rockets into Israel is despicable, is there
any need to justify the acts of launching these rockets for
whatever the reasons ?
Make up your mind before you waste your energy to be seen as a
hypocrite.
Since you already admit that Hamas nor Iran could ever destroy
Israel, then why all the using "Destroy Israel" rhetoric from the
Iranians or Palestinians as justification for the bombing?
Was mere "verbal rhetoric" the reason for Israel to
bomb Hamas, or was it the continued firing of rockets and
motar shells into Israeli towns and terrorising Israeli civilians
the cause of the retaliatory bombings ?
Surely you are not so low in the points left to argue your
way out of a poorly disguised efforts to protect Hamas
?
If you want to side with Hamas, then do you claim that Israel's
hands are clean? Yes/No
Have I indicated any desire to "want to side with Hamas" ?
If you have dirtied your hands while supporting Hamas, why
do you attempt to dirty mine by suggesting that I have any desire
to follow your foolishness ?
Do you agree that more people have died from Israel's attacks
than from Hamas' attacks? Yes/No
More people have died from Israel's attacks ?
Or should it have been more Palestinians have died - due to
the stupidity of Hamas attacks on Israeli civilian targets ?
Are the Palestinian deaths due to Israeli attacks or due to the
stupid and suicidal acts of Hamas by attacking Israel with rockets
and motar shells - when Hamas have no way of protecting
Palestinian lives from any Israeli counter-attack ?
Do you agree that Israel was the first one to break the
ceasefire on Nov 4? Yes/No
Do you even know how the ceasefire was broken on 4 November 2008
- before attempting to blindly protect Hamas and justify their
supposedly retaliatory acts of terror against Israel ?
If Hamas claim that they are the legitimate authority in
the Gaza, why did they not control the unauthorised firing of
rockets into Israeli civilian areas during the days before 4
November 2008 ?
Why did Hamas not put any efforts to control such unauthorised
attacks against Israel but had even threatened Israel that Hamas
will participate in launching rockets into Israel if the ceasefire
is not renewed after 4 November ?
If you believe in your own statement that Israel had a right to
defend itself - why act like a blind hypocrite now ?
This has already been brought up many times and people'll say
that Hamas broke it first by an ( implied passively aggressive) act
of contructing a tunnel which would have been used to attack and
kidnap Israeli troops and citizens. That's what was put out by the
MSM. Think about it, for a country which has been blockaded
and deprived of food, fuel and medical supplies, would they have
tried to break the blockade by getting supplies in through a
tunnel? Anyway, CNN has
already confirmed that Israel was the one to break the
ceasefire.
Is CNN the "Global Watch Dog" - or are you so desparate to
protect Hamas that you will depend on any slim and unsubstantiated
loose talk for your supposed facts ?
Why is Hamas claiming that the Palestinians are starving, when
they have the ability to smuggle rockets into the Gaza strip that
allowed them to fire a progressively increase quantity of rockets
with longer ranges than that previously fired ?
Why claim that the hospitals are lacking in medicine when there
do not seem to be a drop in the quantity or quality of rockets
fired into Israel ?
Is it not a surprise for Israel to attack these tunnels that are
dug under the Palestinian homes, with main entrances and storage
facilities hidden inside innocent looking Palestinian homes ?
I cant emphasis this enough, but it doesnt seem to be expressed
well, probably because of much unconscious bias- it is wrong for
both parties to act in this way. But, overlooking the fact that
Israel has caused more casualties than Hamas would mean
acknowledging that Palestinian lives are worth less than Israeli
ones. Instead of just condemning Hamas as "terrorist", which by the
way, is just a word to describe someone who uses a particular
technique of 'persuasion', why not look at the way Israel treats
the Palestinians.
Your efforts at staying neutral would be better served
with some honesty in declaring your outright support for Hamas,
which is already clearly seen by your definitive efforts in
defending Hamas position.
Why do you even bother to pretend to be neutral ?
It does not make you any cleaner after you have sullied your
image with total dishonesty and clear stupidity with the thin skin
pretense at being neutral.
Israel has treated Palestinians on the West Bank and the Gaza
Strip in equal ways that the Arabs only know and appreciate - "an
eye for an eye".
If you cannot understand nor accept this
Middle-east principle that is burrowed deep into the
fundamental religious psychic as well - you might as well stop
pretending to know anything about the politics in the
Middle-east.
Finally, I do not say that Singapore and Malaysia are
equally matched.
Do you agree that Singapore and Malaysia both,
have air forces, navies and land armies that are equipped to modern
standards? Yes/No
Do you know what you want to say that you wish you will want
to say ?
Firstly, you must be truly naive if you believe that being
equipped with modern weapons alone will make your armed forces
modern.
Secondly, how much do you know about the level of
integration of the various systems and weapon platforms owned by
the various arms of the respective military forces in each
the country that you wish to compare ?
Thirdly, do you have the ability to understand the level of
sophistication in the types of technology owned and operated by the
types of personnel that are available in the respective military
forces of each country ?
Do you agree that Israel is the Middle-East's superpower?
Yes/No
Do you agree that Hamas in Gaza has no air force or navy, and
has only guerilla land forces? Yes/No
Have you forgotten your efforts with the Vietcong analogy ?
Have you now decided to abandon the success of the Vietcong
against the almighty war machine of the USA ?
Do you think that Israel will allow the same to be repeated by a
rag-tag army - no matter the size or the level of sophistication
?
A threat remains a threat, and is assessed for its threat
level in the rhetoric, evaluating such rhetoric to the
resources available to move rhetoric into action, and also
considering the determination of the messenger or messengers of
such rhetoric to carryout their verbal abuses to the ultimate
end.
Are you expecting Israel to lie low, do nothing militarily or
politically - and allow Hamas to fester into a formidable
force ?
I didnt know that there were oil and natural gas in Gaza till
the recent invasion put the spotlight on the Palestinians. I
dont know whether the Israelis knew or didnt know about this
either. Do you know? The article below states that it was
discovered in 2000.
Do you know that Gaza does not have oil and natural gas?
Yes/No
Similarly, do you know that Gaza has oil and natural
gas? Yes/No
Dont you think rejecting new information despite not having any
evidence to the contrary demonstrates a narrow mind?
It is precisely because the Gazans have a natural resource to
fuel their development that the Israeli attack is timed as such. Of
course, the Israelis do not want to allow that resource to benefit
the Palestinian people. If you're oppressing a people, would it be
in your interest for them to be lifted out of poverty? Would it be
in your interest for them to achieve the means to sustain their own
economy?
Narrow mind ?
How wide do you want to open your mind by foolishly
absorbing all materials in some totally undiscerning ways that
allow your mental faculties to be awed by propaganda, influenced by
emotional coloring, and cleverly manipulated by others to
achieve their own political agenda ?
If there is oil and gas in the Gaza - why are the Oil Companies
not rushing in to sign up contractural papers with the Hamas
leadership ?
If there is so much oil and gas in the Gaza, why will Hamas risk
it all by firing rockets into Israel and provoking Israeli airforce
to bomb the oil and gas fields ?
If the Gaza Strip is so densely populated and tight in
living space for the Palestinians - where do you expect the
Palestinians to move - so as to make way for the European and
American Oil Companies?
Where are the Oil Companies ?
Why are they not rushing into the Gaza ?
