Israel hits Palestine again while West Cheers Them On

last SG · 2009-01-02T21:30:00+00:00

Surely it is not the case that the more impressive the kill ratio, the more guilty a side should be?The sites targeted were those that were storing or operat...

angel7030 SG

Wars is a hyprocrisy of a few superpowers creation, on one hand, they call for cease fire and peaceful negotiation, on the other hand, they supplied the arms

freedomclub SG

If Hamas had abandoned its ambition of destroying Israel, would there be any killings of any number of people ?

If Hamas had been able to exercise strategic wisdom and smarter tactics in their confrontation with Israel, would there be any large number of deaths on the Palestinian side compared to the Israelis ?

Sadly, Hamas had even admitted that they were surprised and had not expected such determined ferocity in Israeli response.

This clearly showed that Hamas was not prepared and had expected business to be as usual, where they can expect to continue firing rockets and missile into Israel at random and at their own choosing without any warnings.

Osama bin Ladin might as well borrow your intellect in protesting that after the 9-11 World Trade Center destruction - USA's right to hunt down Al Qaeda and Osama should stop when 500+ Afghans have been killed.

Unfortunately, Hamas will not borrow your line of argument as their agenda is to win the psychological propaganda war over the Israelis - by causing as many Palestinian casualties as possible after each intentional attack towards Israel.

You said it so well in your statement - "Hamas provoked Israel to retaliate, yet it is Israel that is doing the actual killing".

Is Israel the only one guilty of the killing, or is Hamas not equally guilty for causing the casualties and deaths amongst the innocent Palestinians - by attacking Israel from densely populated areas of Palestinian residences, refugee camps and schools ?

Have you not succumbed to propaganda - which is "Hamas organised effort to promote a particular belief" - that Israelis are massacreing the Palestinians ?

Are you not regurgitating what is being repeated on behalf of Hamas - despite your declared efforts of being a neutral ?

When Iraq and Iran was fighting the seven year war, French companies were in Iran exploring oil and gas.

When the USA was conducting its 'shock and awe' campaign during Dessert Storm I and II - oil companies were continuously pumping out crude in the region.

Is there any to be had, when all that exist is nothing more than hot gas ?

How would you advise the vastly outnumbered and outgunned Hamas to wage war against Israel, the Middle-East's superpower? Let's hear some of your "strategic wisdom".

This is totally unrelated, but I'll address it anyway. If the US wanted to catch Bin Laden, it had plenty of chances to do so. After the 1993 WTC bombings, Clinton let him escape after receiving an offer from Sudan to extradite him. Then when the Taliban made the Bush Administration an offer after 9/11, the US refused. After all, the war plans for the invasion of Afghanistan were already prepared before 9/11 and troops were already massing across the Afghan border. That's because Bin Laden's just another CIA front that was hired back during the Afghan-Soviet war. In fact, a day before 9/11, Bin Laden was in a military hospital in Pakistan receiving medical treatment. Dont forget that the CIA and ISI have a rich history of cooperation starting from the Afghan-Soviet war up till this day.

No, as I have said many times, both parties are guilty of bloodshed. If everyone agreed on that, instead of trying to condemn one side alone, then there would not be any need to argue on this issue. Would you tell me where in Gaza is it not densely packed? I dont know, but if you can make such a statement, then you must know right? They dont have HDBs for the 1.5 million people there.

Have you not succumbed to propaganda - which is "Hamas organised effort to promote a particular belief" - that Israelis are massacreing the Palestinians ?

While "propaganda" does not have any negative denotations, I know that people like to use it to connote lies and misinformation. "Propaganda" is a technical word. I dont think Hamas can wage an effective media war because they dont have the means to do so, unlike Israel, which has taken the media war to Youtube. Anyway, how is it not true that Israel is NOT masscreing Palestinians? Your very stand is based on Israeli propaganda. How are you different?

When Iraq and Iran was fighting the seven year war, French companies were in Iran exploring oil and gas.

When the USA was conducting its 'shock and awe' campaign during Dessert Storm I and II - oil companies were continuously pumping out crude in the region.

Gaza is in a totally different context. As you know, Hamas does not have anything that resembles a national military. But how are you proving that oil and natural gas doesn't exist when you're just using your preconception that it does not exist to prove it doesn't exist? In the first place, you're not prepared to accept that. I also dont know very much about this, I've just read this information recently. And of course I would believe it until I read anything credible to the contrary.

freedomclub SG

and do you know when they will cease fire again, when the sponsors and supporters decided to cancel their missile supply to them.

Get the US to stop their $3 billion or so annual cheque to Israel's military-industrial complex.

googoomuck SG

Get the US to stop their $3 billion or so annual cheque to Israel's military-industrial complex.

There's a much simpler way . Stop Hamas' rocket attacks on Israel.

freedomclub SG

Scoreboard for Gaza invasion:

Palestinians dead: 780+

Palestinians injured: 3100+

Israeli deaths: 6 soldiers (4 by friendly fire) and 4 civilians

Poh Ah Pak SG

There's a much simpler way . Stop Hamas' rocket attacks on Israel.

Israel don't oppress and occupy palestinian land, hamas won't retaliate.

wonderamazement SG

freedomclub SG

Hahaha...ROFL

mancha SG

When I fight, I would want zero casualties on my side, and max casulties on the other side. Anyone fighting would want to differ from this kind of expection?

Poh Ah Pak SG

NEARLY everything you’ve been led to believe about Gaza is wrong. Below are a few essential points that seem to be missing from the conversation, much of which has taken place in the press, about Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip.

THE GAZANS Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in 1948.

THE OCCUPATION The Gazans have lived under Israeli occupation since the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel is still widely considered to be an occupying power, even though it removed its troops and settlers from the strip in 2005. Israel still controls access to the area, imports and exports, and the movement of people in and out. Israel has control over Gaza’s air space and sea coast, and its forces enter the area at will. As the occupying power, Israel has the responsibility under the Fourth Geneva Convention to see to the welfare of the civilian population of the Gaza Strip.

THE BLOCKADE Israel’s blockade of the strip, with the support of the United States and the European Union, has grown increasingly stringent since Hamas won the Palestinian Legislative Council elections in January 2006. Fuel, electricity, imports, exports and the movement of people in and out of the Strip have been slowly choked off, leading to life-threatening problems of sanitation, health, water supply and transportation.

The blockade has subjected many to unemployment, penury and malnutrition. This amounts to the collective punishment — with the tacit support of the United States — of a civilian population for exercising its democratic rights.

THE CEASE-FIRE Lifting the blockade, along with a cessation of rocket fire, was one of the key terms of the June cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. This accord led to a reduction in rockets fired from Gaza from hundreds in May and June to a total of less than 20 in the subsequent four months (according to Israeli government figures). The cease-fire broke down when Israeli forces launched major air and ground attacks in early November; six Hamas operatives were reported killed.

WAR CRIMES The targeting of civilians, whether by Hamas or by Israel, is potentially a war crime. Every human life is precious. But the numbers speak for themselves: Nearly 700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year. In contrast, there have been around a dozen Israelis killed, many of them soldiers. Negotiation is a much more effective way to deal with rockets and other forms of violence. This might have been able to happen had Israel fulfilled the terms of the June cease-fire and lifted its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

This war on the people of Gaza isn’t really about rockets. Nor is it about “restoring Israel’s deterrence,” as the Israeli press might have you believe. Far more revealing are the words of Moshe Yaalon, then the Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002: “The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.”

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googoomuck SG

Israel don't oppress and occupy palestinian land, hamas won't retaliate.

That's not true.

googoomuck SG

Look at this. It's not a grand hotel. It's a house !

The house is owned by the family of an Arab sheikh.Yes, one Arab sheikh and he wasn't even a member of royal family.

Sorry, the Arabs living in gaza don't get it.

Years ago, if these Arabs didn't run away from home to reside in "Palestine', they would have been living a good life in today's oil-rich Arab nations with well-defined boundaries.

freedomclub SG

So I dont understand why those Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank just emigrate to Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt or Syria.

Oh yeah, those countries dont want filthy Palestinians dirtying their land.

googoomuck SG

So I dont understand why those Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank just emigrate to Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt or Syria.

Oh yeah, those countries dont want filthy Palestinians dirtying their land.

Exactly !

Their ancestors went to "Palestine' in search of green pastures before oil made the Sauds and other tribes rich. Now that these Arab are rich and became nations, they don't want their descendents back. Their ancestors were deemed as traitors.

Jarhum SG

JoJobich,

Hamas and the Gazans seek the lifting of the bloackade of its boundaries which Israel have agreed before during the previous truce but failed to hold on to their truce. You really think Israel wants to see an end to this violence before the febuary elections?

Both parties refuse to stop their fires. Not simply Hamas. Get simple facts right.

You keep on avoiding my questions in my previous posts to you.

Stop providing inchorent, contentious analogies. What's with you and children? I could give you a thousand different analogies but I would not succumb to your shallow arguments

I am educated as one which is why I do not think much of you as a fellow competent analyst.

As I have mentioned, you reiterate my hunch that you are either very young or very immature.

If you would like to save an little dignity you have left, you will just keep quiet.

4sg SG

about this thing call "while the west cheers". how did it originated?

I means is it

a true statement or

an emotive statement not based on fact?

Jarhum SG

gackt13,

I reiterate my argument, which I have substantiated with coherent and rational justifications, that the Zionists are mainly responsible for the deaths of numerous civilians in Gaza. I do not need to repeat. To get the notion, please refer to my previous posts.

You accuse my arguments find basis in conspiracy theories. Prove it. Prove the facts and reasons I have put forward are false.

When did I every mention or even infer that the U.S or such have some sort of conspiracy against the Muslims? Your accusation is flabbergasting. Everyone knowledgable enough knows the fact that U.S mainstream media aligns itself towards the Israeli perspective due to numerous elites within the industry and the lobby being jews.

Your accusations are nothing more than the rantings of someone who tries to insult others' attempt at having a proper and fruitful debate.

I am amused albeit saddened at the few people here who are cancerous to intellectual dscourse that some others are having here. It reflects much on yourself gackt13.

Why not if you attempt to direct baseless accusations towards me, challenge me to a proper debate.

I-like-flings(m) SG

SG got send anyone in to learn or not??? knn....if they accept a fat old man like mi.. i sure will go...... go to see how it's like that...

Jarhum SG

skythewood,

The superiority or inferiority of military training bestowed upon both combatants is definately not cause to believe who initiated the fire after the ceasefire ended.

Don't tell me superficiality of military prowess is the basis for your judgements? If so, it is terribly degrading for you.

I would believe independent sources who reports from within the happenings itself, sources and individuals with no ties to both entities.

My citations orginates from independent reports from the U.N as well as humanitarian agencies reporting from Gaza.

That is,thusfar, the only sources of neutral, verifiable news from where we can obtain information. This is due to the fact that Israel has blocked access to journalist and media organizations to the war.

My emphasis was on the fact that those peace organizations are Jewish and Israeli but they condemn the aggressions of their army. I seriously think it is a highly valid point in the debate on whom is to bear the large responsiblity of the deaths of innocent Palestinians. 'LAME' is talk you reserve for conversations with buddies at starbucks rather than a proper discourse. If you had intended to disagree, you should have stated the point invalid and substantiate with proper arguments and examples.

You shoudl read my previous posts where I elaborated the atrocities commited by the Israeli attacks on the civlians and the sources are the U.N and humanitarian organizations reporting from Gaza. Inclusively, there are several journalists from Europe who managed to sneak through the Israeli bloakade. Further elaboration and references can be found from my previous posts.

However, many mistake the 911 to be an unprovoked and un-facilitated attack. However, the discussions surrounding 911 runs deeper than what you read on the surfaces.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Years ago, if these Arabs didn't run away from home to reside in "Palestine'

What do you mean?

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