Israel hits Palestine again while West Cheers Them On

last SG · 2009-01-02T21:30:00+00:00

Surely it is not the case that the more impressive the kill ratio, the more guilty a side should be?The sites targeted were those that were storing or operat...

Jarhum SG

The latest agression by the IDF has been a continous and seemingly endless crusade by the zionist entity since its inauguration from 1948. We have to address this topic of discussion from an intellectual perspective. To the reader my previous two statements may reflect a paradoxical contradiction, however in no light have I ever and will ever sanction atrocities towards innocent civilians, the elderly, women and children on both sides of the fence. The media dosage which we Singaporeans are exposed to is a parrot of western media coverage and journalism which is heavily biased towards the Zionists. Time and time again American media portrays the Israelis as the victims of homemade bombs through various wordplays, subtlety, selective ommision of information and shallow regard of the history of this conflict. We cannot view this conflict as a mere Palestinian-Israeli conflict but more as globalised conflict between two opposing sides. This statement is made in due consideration to its effect and consequences on other parts of our world. Such effects include radicalisation of misled and impressionable Muslims whom are lured and taunted into the realm of wrongful aggression against misperceived oppresors as well as global oil prices which affect our pockets. Israel have time and time again violated U.N resolutions and in selfish defence of its zionist cause, commited atrocities in utter defiance of the world community. The malevolent nature of its extremist jewish ring wing influences its public policies to a larger extent, but extraordinarily sublime to the massses. Its meticulous but zealous manipulation of the world has tremendous consequences for us all. These Zionist will forseeably be the fundamental causation of a seemingly impending world war which will cause us all misery and carnage. Even in our peaceful Singapore will not be spared from the overarching consequences of the Israelis zionist tirade. The world desperately needs a leader who is able to tame this Zionst entity in the most amicable manner possible lest its very uncontrollable dynamics manifests near doom for humankind on the whole. The Arab-Israeli or Muslim-Judaist discord has to be nipped in the bud. The Arab Initiative proposed by King Abdullah to surrender its unlawful occupation from its preemptive strike of 1967 of its neighbours in return for peace and harmony with the larger Muslim world surprisingly commanded the support of the typically disparate Arab entities. The initiative was a good first start. Now it is time to second it.

Jarhum SG

The sad fact of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is such that no end seems in sight. Greater Israeli is the penultimate objective of many a hawkish Israeli lawmaker. This entails the destruction of the Al-Aqsa mosque in the vicinity of Temple mount whereby radical Jews believe is the exact site of the sacred temple of King Solomon. This is a fact and a fearsome one too. It is perceived by the Zionists as their biblical right vis a vis Theodore Herzl’s quote of the Israelites claim to pre 1948 Palestine.

The global repercussions of any attempt to destroy the third holiest shrine of the Muslim faith, the Al-Aqsa mosque, is shuddering. Jewish terrorist of far right organizations have time and time again endeavoured to commit this malicious task. The consequential scenario would speculatively, probably be as such (God Forbid): Muslim countries in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Southasia mobilizes their armies and defence forces. A conventional attack on Tel Aviv would be inevitable and the U.S would immediately come to Israel’s Aid. Alliances and allegances would be formed, albeit a more even and proportional one than the allies vs axis of WWII. Israel, with due consideration of its zealous and disproportionate nature of striking at its enemy would employ its nuclear armourmant to strike at its opponents forcing a similar retaliation by nuclear armed Muslim nations such as Iran and Pakistan. Knowing the Zionists only too well, the Zionist may even deliberate strikes of the Muslim’s holier shrines as a means of striking fear into its opponents. The U.S flexes its nuclear muscle, Nuclear begets Nuclear and the World goes back to the Middle Ages.With this, other nations may take the opportunity to settle old discords via proxies. This is all because of a particular entity’s claim to Yahweh given rights to a small group of people, in full oblivion of the rest of its ‘creation’.

dumbdumb! SG

hmm i saw the news, the air strike quite nice, sorry if it offends anyone, but i've never seen artillery strikes before

xtreyier SG

They consider Hamas as legitimate resistance to Israeli occupation and oppression.

How to capture them and turn them over?

That is impossible.

Poh, is the killing of innocents, as well as placing your own fellow citizens - innocent men, women and children - in the line of fire, legitimate means to achieve a political aim of sovereignity claims?

Worse still, use a peaceful religion to gain sympathisers, hurting that religion and its moderate followers?

Do not besmirch the good name of freedom fighters. They are brave men and women who place themselves in the line of fire, or draw fire, but never allowing the people whom they are attempting to liberate be IN THE FIRE!

Hamas are just pure barbaric animals and anybody or nation who supports them are equally barbarians. Some of the more moderate Arab states had condemn Hamas.

Poh, do you support the Hamas and give legitimacy to their ideology? Because if you do, you frighten me, just as the more radical Indonesians muslims frightens me.

Killing of innocents, espacially infidels - not only jews but everyone else of us, is justifiable to achieve their religious or political aim.

You are a known hater of one man in the ruling party. Are you going to use such means, putting us your fellow citizens, in the line of fire to achieve your aims?

Display Name SG

It is known facts that Israel has invaded and occupied lands of neighoubring countries.
That's why the people retaliate and being resistance to Israel occupation.
Is this occupation justified just because the victims are muslim? No
Is it justifiable for Israel army to launch mass attack to neighbouring countries just because the people retaliate their invasion? depends on each individual.

Israel problem is actually a plot from US. US want to control this oil producing area but they don't have the moral ground to attack and colonize these area, that's why they build a strong war machine agent there, to control the nearby countries, at any cost.
Israel conflict with other arab nations will be reduced when following occur:
1) When the oil storage finish, or if the world has discover a cheaper alternative of oil
2) When the American Jews no longer control the elite and the thinking of US government
3) Of coz also if Israel return the land that they occupied during many wars in the past. Or Arabians surrender to Israel, give away their lands and migrate to other place.

xtreyier SG

Get your facts straight!

Very briefly:-

1. Jews and arabs lived in palestine right up to 1948

2. Palestine, part which became Jordan now, was occupied by our ex-colonnial masters England in the 18th century.

3. England promised the jews statehood in the 1920s.

4. 1948, UN declared Israel statehood, majority voted by nations around the world, except arab states who against worldwide opinion, vowed vengence on the tiny state .

5. Israel took back jews whom were not wanted in Europe, or subjected to living in slums around the world, turn the desert and swamp state to a thriving green land again.

5. In 1967, the arab states combined and attacked Israel, a tiny nation. Israel stood alone again as it did during the holocaust, but this time routed the muslim army within a few days, and seize control of lands the arabs could not defend, so as to prevent further attacks on Israeli citizens.

There are more, and i seek that you open your mind, understand objectively before forming your opinions. It doesnt matter if you side with anyone or don't, but be informed and not be used as a tool by others.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Get your facts straight!

Very briefly:-

1. Jews and arabs lived in palestine right up to 1948

2. Palestine, part which became Jordan now, was occupied by our ex-colonnial masters England in the 18th century.

3. England promised the jews statehood in the 1920s.

4. 1948, UN declared Israel statehood, majority voted by nations around the world, except arab states who against worldwide opinion, vowed vengence on the tiny state .

5. Israel took back jews whom were not wanted in Europe, or subjected to living in slums around the world, turn the desert and swamp state to a thriving green land again.

What facts? More like shades of gray.

Jarhum SG

Dear Xtreyer,

I would like to point out several inconsistencies and ambiguity in your facts.

1) Palestine leading up to Israel’s inauguration in 1948 was occupied by majoritily Arabs with a mere 5% Jewish populace. In modern history, the Jews never really did governed the land of Palestine. It has been changing hands between the Muslims and Christians.

3) The Jews were promised sovereignty of Palestine long before 1920 and this was ratified with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. (A controversial condition attached to this was Chaim Weizmann’s talents in producing accetone which is greatly required for Britain’s war efforts).

4) Ben Gurion, A Zionist declared Israeli independence himself. It was only in 1949 that U.N gave it official recognition. Only 13 nations initially gave Israel de jure recognation, not the entire world.

5) It was not Israel which was not wanted in other parts of the world minus Germany but it is their utmost desire to claim their so-called biblical right to Palestine.

6)In 1967, Israel was the entity which conducted preemptive strikes on its Arab neighbour which caught them in surprise. The Arab nations attacked only in retaliation. It was only the Yom Kippur War which the Arab nations combined to go to war with Israel.

So do not attempt to boast writings of a pathetic shot at scholarly analysis when you can’t even get your facts and dates right.

As I mention unconditional support for this Zionist cause will cause mayhem for you and your family and all of us.

grandmaster89 SG

I personally feel Hamas is a legitimate (it won the elections) freedom fighter organization.

Hamas = Mandela, Lim Bo Seng, George Washington, CCP etc

Note all of the above used force and violence to liberate their country from foreign/illegal occupation.

If Hmas succeeds in liberating Palestine from the Isrealis Occupation, it would be lauded as a determined resistnace fighter groups. If it fails, it will merely join the annals of history as a violent bunch of fanatics.

I think George Washington killed more British than Hamas ever did to the Israelis :)

freedomclub SG

Comparing the present Gaza strip to the Warsaw Ghetto of the 1940s will take a leap of speculative imagination.

In the 1940s, the Warsaw Ghetto was purposefully built by the Nazis to isolate the Jewish community as part of a FINAL SOLUTION to exterminate German CITIZENS of Jewish descent.

The Gaza Strip was governed by an ELECTED HAMAS government that decided to unilaterally evict themselves from the Palestinian "Central" Government, and UNILATERALLY declared themselves a separate entity from the West Bank.

The HAMAS government continued to allow itself to be used as a proxy of Iran, and execute the Iranian determined destruction of the State of Israel by all means.

The present condition - that the residents of the Gaza Strip have now found themselves in - was self-imposed when they did not reject the HAMAS-Iranian agenda but embraced it.

Was Israel singularly responsible to wall the residents into the Gaza Strip, or have the Egyptians also similarly been alarmed by the HAMAS-Iranian agenda - when the Gaza Strip share a common border with the Egyptian Sinai Peninsular, and the Egyptian has similarly restricted border crossings ?

The economic situation and living condition in the Gaza Strip is brought about by the Palestinians residents themselves in their continued stupidity in supporting the HAMAS-Iranian agenda, instead of working as a unified community to confront Israel based on their own Palestinian Agenda.

Really? Gaza has frequently been described as an open air prison with 1.5 million prisoners. Since 2007, Israel has restricted medical supplies, food and fuel from reaching the Gazans, destroying all semblence of a proper life. In addition, Israeli settlers regularly harass the Palestinians with the protection of the IDF.

How is using F-16s against homemade rockets and bombs not like molotov cocktails against Panzer tanks? In fact, today's comparison is even more ridiculous.

I agree that any nation has the right to self-defence, naturally Israel as well. And that includes Iran. But, if it continues oppressing the Palestinian people, expanding settlements that harrass Palestinians, restricting medical supplies, food and fuel, putting up an obscene amount of checkpoints that make life horribly inconvenient (and thats an understatement) for the Gazans, then why should the Gazans take it lying down? Tell me, does Israel deserve retaliation from its inhumane behaviour?

If Egypt blocks its border with Gaza, then it is complicit with the inhumane bloodshed. Thats why Egyptian flags were also burned during riots. Even though Palestinians are Arabs, the other Arab countries refuse to treat them like brothers. So such for the Islamic brotherhood.

freedomclub SG

Dear Xtreyer,

I would like to point out several inconsistencies and ambiguity in your facts.

5) It was not Israel which was not wanted in other parts of the world minus Germany but it is their utmost desire to claim their so-called biblical right to Palestine.

So do not attempt to boast writings of a pathetic shot at scholarly analysis when you can’t even get your facts and dates right.

As I mention unconditional support for this Zionist cause will cause mayhem for you and your family and all of us.

Why do I find myself not amused?

freedomclub SG

Dear Xtreyer,

I would like to point out several inconsistencies and ambiguity in your facts.

5) It was not Israel which was not wanted in other parts of the world minus Germany but it is their utmost desire to claim their so-called biblical right to Palestine.

So do not attempt to boast writings of a pathetic shot at scholarly analysis when you can’t even get your facts and dates right.

As I mention unconditional support for this Zionist cause will cause mayhem for you and your family and all of us.

Thank you Jarhum.

But I got something to add. If you want to talk about British involvement, then we should all be British-bashing because the Brits promised Palestine then, to three different parties:

"Britain conquered Palestine from the Turks in 1917-18. First Her Majesty's Government promised Palestine to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration in 1917, and then again in the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922, in which it solemnly accepted as "a sacred trust of civilization" to "be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home." Then it repudiated that promise in a "White Paper" of 1939, which announced her intention to allow only 75,000 Jewish immigrants into Palestine over the next five years (this as World War II and the Holocaust was just beginning) and after that to allow no further Jewish immigration without Arab consent. The White Paper also placed severe restrictions on the purchase of land by Jews. And it promised the Palestinian Arabs that Palestine would become an independent Arab state within ten years. All this was in flagrant violations of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine; the League of Nations Mandates Commission noted this, and refused to ratify the White Paper. Britain implemented it anyway -- to the extent of refusing to admit to Palestine 750 Jews who had managed to escape Nazi Europe in a leaky boat while the Holocaust was in full swing. The Jews were forced to turn back into the human-shark-infested waters of the Black Sea, where their leaky crate was torpedoed, and all but one of them killed.

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Having already promised Palestine to both the Jews and the Palestinian Arabs, Britain after World War II promised it again, this time to Syria! Secret British correspondence, recently discovered by an Israeli scholar, not in the archives of Britain but in those of France, which intercepted British and Syrian communications through espionage, reveals that the British promised to hand over Palestine to Syria in return for making Britain Syria's "protector" to replace France. The British even assisted the Syrians to carry out a massacre of French civilians and soldiers in order to force France out of Syria.

freedomclub SG

Another long winded opinionated piece, ignoring facts, from a site of no accountability.

Are you here to discuss solutions or lay blame on everyone else, and become a tool of terrorists propaganda?

The facts are:-

1. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. It broke the truce by Egypt and fired missiles into Israel urban centres with intention to murder innocent men, women and children.

2. Israel, which any other nation would have retaliated before even the 2nd missile landed, had restrain themselves when faced such oppression with more than 200 missiles daily for months. No one called for a halt in hama's agression.

3. Israel realized they are alone, and retaliated last week, as any nation would to prevent further dead in their homeland.

Whatever happened 1400 years ago, who was right or who was right, what was conspired, is immaterial. The fact is that the carnage is now happening, and death of innocents are happening on BOTH sides which must end.

Hamas, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the death of innocents to achieve their national agenda, recieves sympathies, funds and recruits from faithful muslims thru a misinterpretation on their holy book.

Faithful muslims around the world assured the human race that they condemn terrorism and terrorists acts - killing of innocent men, women and children - done in their religion's name, which is a mis-interpretation of their holy book, no matter the causes, since 911.

Therefore it is time now for the faithful muslims around the world, without any excuses, must honour their words - to condemn the factual terrorists acts conducted by Hamas, whom slay innocent people in Israel thru their daily missile barrage, as well as now hiding amongst the civilian population ensuring more innocents die in facing Israel's wrath.

The muslims must condemn the atrocities of Hamas, capture their terrorists and turn them over to the authorities, and place more effort to correct the misinterpretation of their holy book so that no more muslims be misled or used by evil men.

Terrritorial claims can be civiliy discussed, but not by piling innocents dead in the meeting room.

I am under no illusion that my written word here will have any effect or even read by anyone, but hope is like a droplet of water into the ocean which will affect the tide, and when more considers my post, it will be a Tsunami of change that will help our fellow humans in the middle east.

Do you know which side has the most casualties? The Israeli side using the world's 4th largest military, or the Gazan "terrorists", using homemade weaponry?

If you're really concerned about human life, you're not doing a good job in showing that you are.

Have you proven that GlobalResearch has no accountability? Tell me, I don't have ESP.

googoomuck SG

It's a myth!

How can a small Jewish nation has ambitions to invade and occupy bigger Arab nations? It makes the Arabs stupid, isn't it?

googoomuck SG

6)In 1967, Israel was the entity which conducted preemptive strikes on its Arab neighbour which caught them in surprise. The Arab nations attacked only in retaliation ?!

That's another myth !

Seven to eight Arab nations amassed their troops on 3 fronts.

The Egyptian navy's blockade of Israel's port of Eilat alone is an act of war.

Do you know the meaning of preemtive strike?

Atobe SG

Description is purely opinions based on value systems.

It was easy for the 1.5 million "prisoners" to change their living conditions if they had rejected the politics propounded by HAMAS.

Why are the same Palestinians living on the West Bank not living in similar "prison like conditions" ?

If you succumb to propaganda and propound it further with your own preferred twist of the situation, it does not help anyone to understand the present events any clearer.

It is fortunate for us to live in a different part of the World, and see it as "disinterested" parties with no special agenda, and view the events without any colored lens, or any emotional hang-ups - and pass our judgment based on the facts of the events, with our own values.

The "facts" depend on how and where you gather these from.

How is using F-16s against homemade rockets and bombs not like molotov cocktails against Panzer tanks? In fact, today's comparison is even more ridiculous.

I agree that any nation has the right to self-defence, naturally Israel as well. And that includes Iran.

The UN-GUIDED missiles or rockets fired by HAMAS are deliberately aimed or directed to land into the midst of Israeli civilian areas to cause maximum destruction.

These are not molotov cocktails.

At least the Israeli are taking pains to retaliate by using laser guided bombs that target HAMAS militant strongholds and missile or rocket manufacturing facilities.

Compared to the cheap HAMAS rockets, these Israeli laser guided bombs and missiles would have cost at least 20 to 50 times more - and would have already shown the difference in the effort at minimising civilian casualties.

The fact that Palestinian casualties have occurred is due to the deliberate effort of HAMAS to locate these high-explosives manufacturing facilities in the middle of densely populated area - in TOTAL DIS-REGARD to their OWN POPULACE - shows the callous attitude of the HAMAS leadership towards even their own people.

If you agree that Israel or Iran - or any nation - has the right to self-defense - is there any need to agonise over the Israeli response to HAMAS irresponsible and callous acts towards Human Lives - whether be it Israelis or their own Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip ?

But, if it continues oppressing the Palestinian people, expanding settlements that harrass Palestinians, restricting medical supplies, food and fuel, putting up an obscene amount of checkpoints that make life horribly inconvenient (and thats an understatement) for the Gazans, then why should the Gazans take it lying down? Tell me, does Israel deserve retaliation from its inhumane behaviour?

Is Israel continuing to oppress the Palestinian people - or are you succumbing to propaganda ?

The previous Israeli Prime Minister Sharon - who died of heart failure - was one of the stoutest propounder of Israeli settlements on occupied territories.

Yet he was also one of the strongest advocate to forcibly remove large segments of the Israeli settlements from occupied territory, in exchange for Peace - and at a high price of his own political unpopularity amongst the Israeli settlers.

Sharon insisted on the mass removal of the Israeli settlers, as he realised that the Israeli settlements on occupied territory will only stretch Israeli military resources, and will only weaken their position in the face of mounting Palestinian civiliarn unrest in their well ochestrated INTIFADAH.

Israel had offered a negotiated and permanent settlement to allow a TWO-State solution to exist - this was rejected by the previous Palestinian Leader Arafat, who felt his position was better off having a prolonged stand-off than a resolution, as this guaranteed continued financial support from the other Arab countries.

Now that Arafat is dead and gone, the present Palestinian President Abbas efforts have been sabotaged by HAMAS refusal to negotiate with Israel, and insist on their Iranian supported foolish ambitious goal of having Israel totally anihilated.

The Palestinians in Gaza can taking it in any position they wish, as long as they continue with their foolishness in taking on Israel by threatening the Israeli civilians, they have only themselves to blame for the Israeli retaliation that will certainly come.

This is the Middle-eastern principle of "an eye for an eye" - as is propounded by the fundamentalist Islamic believers.

Complicity requires more then just blocking the border with Gaza.

The Palestinians in Gaza can burn all the flags of all the countries on earth, but they will not be getting any sympathy as that given to the USA on 9-11 - even from the worst protagonists of the US.

If HAMAS and their Palestinian supporters in the Gaza Strip play with fire, they have to learn to live with the fire they have created for themselves.

No point attempting to look for sympathy from the World Community if they cannot control the fire that they have started.

Arapahoe SG

Do you know which side has the most casualties? The Israeli side using the world's 4th largest military, or the Gazan "terrorists", using homemade weaponry?

If you're really concerned about human life, you're not doing a good job in showing that you are.

Have you proven that GlobalResearch has no accountability? Tell me, I don't have ESP.

Perhaps you also have to ask who gave that justification to the Israeli to start the war?

xtreyier SG

What facts? More like shades of gray.

Shades of grey?

Whom does USA belongs to today with its achievements?
Chyennes, Pawnees, Sioux, and a whole lotta other minor indian tribes, Spain and England?

Whom does China belongs to today with its achievements?
Xiongnu, Shangs, Hans, Chins, Mongols, Manchus, a whole lotta other tribes, Germans, Japan, and England?

Whom does Malaysia belongs to today with its achievements?
Dyaks, Orang Aslis, Summatrians, Majuhapians, Indonesians, Chinese, Indian, Portuguese, England?

After 2 world wars, the world's humanity, led by the victor USA, evoloved into full emanciapation of mankind from the bondage of serfdom, tyranny and oppression by monarchists, tribal leaders and colonnialism.

Colonnialism was dismantled and replaced with democracy and its following democratic processes to serve humanity, even fof the losers of the war - Germany, Japan and axis powers, which in another age, would have been sold as slaves.

A new freedom for humanity rang in the air with the formation of UN, made up of representatives from population centres, using majority vote to arbitrate freedoms for the oppressed and those in national disagreements, so that the wars of conquests be avoided.

Everyone to their borders, and those who seek for military expansion of their borders, will face the wrath of an united nation made up of a diversity of humans who share this world.

There must be a point whereby ancient tribal fueds must cease over land and other issues so that a new generation may grow up in peace. By 1945, the world's humanity had suffered enough watching their loved ones die before their eyes.

Thus humanity's solution was to remove historical baggages, end warfare and oppression where it exists and promote democracy where possible.

Unfortunately, in the middle east, there exists men and women whom shares our world, are unwilling to embrace a new world and new realities for the new generation.

They use ancient holy texts twisted to their ideology of land expansion by promoting hate, anger, oppression and murder of others anywhere to acheive their barbaric delusions of conquest granduer.

Oppressions can be ended on a negotiation table.

But murder of innocents using religion twisted is an ideology that will only end us all into the grave. More so a religion that had made peace with the world for hundreds of years after the excesses of the dark middle ages, and had seen scientific progress as well as the evolution of mankind leaping into the stars.

Only by correcting the mis-interpretation in the holy book, thus nullifying barbaric agression ideology, will more come forward to the negotiation table to address claims of oppression or sovereignity.

We ALL are humans, and each do have a right to live in peace on our planet, which can only be shared and not owned by any one individual or individuals, regardless of his/her race, politics or religion.

soul_rage SG

In my opinion:

Hamas is a terrorist organization. No sympathy to people who don't give any consideration to human lives.

Also, in Hamas idealogy, they are sworn to the destruction of Israel. No matter how much concessions Israel makes, they do not believe in the existence of Israel. Given such an extreme thought, I would say you don't give the other person much choice in negotiations.

BadzMaro SG

Hamas dun recognise the existence of the State of Israel... negotiate ff ?Thats why.. i support the tanks!

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