Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2

last SG · 2008-11-05T14:23:24+00:00

I'm sure lionnoisy's looking forward to 2011 - he'll finally be able to drink all the piss he wants to flush down the shit he eats.

redDUST SG

Therefore,the NO NO of casino become YES YES.

Why?Jobs,stupid!!

this is a cowardly cop-out from the MIW. they are running out of ideas and compromizing on their own whiter-than-white principles of governance.

if the singapore press were independant, LKY would have been ridiculed publically for this reversal. i would have loved to see him eat humble pies in person.

lionnoisy SG

Below:the % of built up area in the new catchments (dark green)

of Marina and Seletar / Serangoon Reservoirs

are very high.I expect the yield of water extracted per km2 from

this new water catchment will be higher than existing catchment

(light brown).Blue are existing reservoirs.

Therefore,water extracteded from the future catchments in Singapore

,covering two-third of total land area of 709 km2,will be at least

70 % of local demand.

Above--orange is built up area.

http://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/1017_map.html#map2

http://www.newasia-singapore.com/map_of_singapore.html

lionnoisy SG

New Tuas Clean-Coal Power Plant will add 7%(90,900 m3)

of Singapore water demand by desalination.

in end of September 2008,Tuas Power announced it will build a

clean-coal power generation 4- in-1 plant.

(u are right.I am the first to use the term 4- in-1 plant)

Complex A

Electricity generation----90 MW

desalination plant----20 million gallon per day or 90,909 m3

Steam capacity----900 tons per hour

Number of boilers----3 units

Types of fuel----biomass and coal

Compex B

water waste-treatment plant---1,000 m3 per hour

water treatment plant---1,500 m3 /hour

source--mypaper hard copy 26.09.2008 by marcel lee pereira

S'pore 1st clean-coal power plant

lionnoisy SG

Tembusu Multi-Utilities Complex will start operating in 2011. -- PHOTOS: TUAS POWER

In 2007,SG use 35% less water to produce GDP$1 million than in 2002.

read below.

http://www.straitstimes.com/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2d8da628e5a9c110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f9a0758920e39010VgnVCM1000000a35010aRCRD

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/200078?page=2

No need worry about water supply

Before the NEWater and first desalination plant built by Hyflux

(the Hyflux plant subsequently

sold to Cityspring),50% of water demand came from Malaysia.see A

Let us see how SG to replace this 50%.

U wil say hi the demand will be increased.

I will answer u later.Currently,i estmate not more than 40% of water

comes from Malaysia.

Malaysia water,accounting for 50% of demand as at 2001,

have been replaced and will be replaced by:

30 % of SG demand by 2011:Few NEWater plants completed.30% when Changi
.................................WRP completed .15% currently from NEWater.
10% of SG demand: Hyflux Desalination Plant was completed in 2002.

7% desalination:Tuas Power 4-in-1 plant by 2011.
10% of SG demand:from increase of catchment area fr half of SG to two-third.
.........(Completion circa 2011.assume new catchment of 100 km2 not so effective.But May be .............more effective than existing catchment.)
8% of SG demand: from intergration of reservoirs est completion 2010.
10% of SG demand:from variable salinity plant which is in large scale demonstration level

If successful, it can potentially increase the water catchment area in Singapore from 67 per cent to 90 per cent.

let say also not so effective,
say 10 % of SG demand.

TOTAL:75% increase of suppply able to replace Malaysia's supply of 50%

in 2001 .Currently is estimated at not more than 40%.Hyflux desalination plant replaces the 10%!!

Sales of potable water still less than 2002

waste water can be treated to make NEWater and Industrial water.

Therefore,we just need to concern supply of raw water for potable water.

u may heard gavaman mentioned of 300 million gallon per day of water demand.

This include potable water and Industrial water,before NEWater and desalination

kicked in.This is equal to 1,320,000 cubic meter or 1.32 million m3.

In the beginning of this century,gavaman estimated water demand increase

to 400 mgd in 2011!!They are wrong for good and expected reasons--

advance in NEWater and desalination technology!!

Drops in water sales in 2002 to 2004 may be caused by bad economy!!

Not a good news.

Sales of water

year....................2002......03.........04.......05......06...07

population(m)......4.18.....4.11.....4.17....4.27...4.40...4.59#

Sale of potable...1,259...1,224...1,203....1206...1230...1248(m3..in 1000/day)
water.....consists of
Domestic...............687......690......686.....694..702...724( m3 in 1000/day)
Non--domestic.......572......534......517.....512...508...524( m3 in 1000/day)

Water treated..1,315...1,360....1,369.....1352...1399...1469( m3 in 1000/day)

to produce:

Sale of NEWater ....m3 in 1000/day............73.....81...134

Sale of Industrial water...m3 in 1000/day....107.....112...80

Unaccounted for water (%)..........................5.0.....4.5...4.4(leaking etc)

sale of potable water (domestci & non--domestic)in liters/per capita/day
...........................302(02)...............................275(06)..272(07)

Domestic water consumption.....................160.... 158... 157
per capita/litres/day (only 2005--2007 shown)

35% less Water used to produce same amount of GDP in 5 year

year....................2002......03.........04.......05......06...07

$m/GDP/day........432......444.......504.....545.....595....666 #

sale of domestic & non--domestic potable water m3/GDP $ 1m at current market price/day........2914....2757......2387....2212...2067...1874 m3

In 2007,SG use 35% less water to produce GDP$1 million than in 2002.

http://app.mewr.gov.sg/web/Contents/Contents.aspx?ContId=682

History of Catchment areas

Again,SG is one of the first countries to use highly urbanized areas

as water catchement areas.Any problems of the water?

Look at your old aged grand/parents.Are they ok?

Currently,half of the main Island is catchment which provides

half of water demand,ie about half of 1,250,000 m3 a day!!

Read the maps in this pagev for coverage of catchment.

Dunt litter for good reasons--dunt polluate your own drinking water!!

NOTE:

A.We can confirm from Malaysia that only half from MY!!

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/200078

B.NEWater is ultra pure water for manufacturing,washing,cooling,

air--conditioning(District Cooling Plant in CBD),making of IC wafers etc

C.Industrial water---lower grade water for industrail uses

...

lionnoisy SG

many SG and Malaysia will think we need drink NEWater

becos we really have to.

Wrong.Only 1 % of the potable water come from sewage

recycleing water--NEWater.This is much less than the future Queensland--

Recycled sewage will comprise between 10 per cent and 25 per cent of the water supply for the 2.6million residents of southeast Queensland after flows to the Wivenhoe Dam from the Western Corridor Recycled Water Project begin early next year.

Greg Roberts the australian 05 nov 2008

Most of the NEWater go to factory ,office towers,wafer plants ,

etc for processing,air--cond cooling water etc.

In the Marina East new office towers,all

get cold water from District Cooling Plant.

There is no air--cond plants in the The building .

This save few % of gross floor area and increase owner rental income$$.

The NEWater is very ultra clean , saving time and $$ to maintain the

pipies and machines!!

Jacksngthepilot SG

long long wall of texttttttt

angel7030 SG

long long wall of texttttttt

no choice, all old uncles very talkative one lah, all like great wall of china, no ending, but as long as they like, let them be. That is why i never ban them. We must create some space for old peoples to express themselves

angel7030 SG

I will miss Malaysia water...,

Singapore water abit kiam kiam one

noahnoah SG

I will miss Malaysia water...,

Singapore water abit kiam kiam one

har singapore water got kiam kiam one?

ur water from east coast beach one har

mine not kiam kiam one

mine from bedok reservoir one leh

angel7030 SG

har singapore water got kiam kiam one?

ur water from east coast beach one har

mine not kiam kiam one

mine from bedok reservoir one leh

that day i saw a foreign worker urine at that reservoir leh, me see already run...

noahnoah SG

that day i saw a foreign worker urine at that reservoir leh, me see already run...

o damm it

like that i better go for body check up

later tainted dun know with wat sia

Mostwanted5125 SG

No worries....Assuming nothing is wrong with the treatment plant, the water is definitely drinkable.

angel7030 SG

No worries....Assuming nothing is wrong with the treatment plant, the water is definitely drinkable.

Assume??? that will be assing u and me

Mostwanted5125 SG

Assume??? that will be assing u and me

Well, What can we as peasent do? Just pray pray nothing goes wrong lo.
Btw the safety factor is quite high. It was proven b4 by some of my engine research fren.

Hopefully nothing really goes wrong!

lionnoisy SG

Ask your parents and grand parents

They have been drinking local extracted water for few decades lah!!

SG has been extracting water on this tiny island since 1965.

The catchment area grew from a dot to half of the main island.

It will cover two third of the main island,after completion of

Puggnol and Serganoon Reservoirs by damming the 2 rivers.

Marina Reservior is only a mid- way reservoir or holding reservoir

Due to its small capacity,it just collect water from the 100 km2

catchment which is the most urbanized area among all catchments.

The water then will be pumped into other bigger impounding reservoirs

under Marina Reservoir Circulation Scheme.

FYI.California,ie LA etc have been drinking recycling water for decades.

USA lawyers will not miss this golden opportunity if the water

is not suitable for drinking!!

angel7030 SG

Well, What can we as peasent do? Just pray pray nothing goes wrong lo.
Btw the safety factor is quite high. It was proven b4 by some of my engine research fren.

Hopefully nothing really goes wrong!

ya, hopefully, but in term of water contamination, it does mean it will take effect immediately, it may take years or decades to realise that there is water contamination in recycling that link to peoples suffering from a same of kind of illness leading to premature death.

By then, how to sue them??

angel7030 SG

same goes to smoking cigarette, US tabacco co. was sued by individuals who prove that smoking lead to lung cancer and other illness...very soon, H/Phones may come into the picture.

Mostwanted5125 SG

By then, how to sue them??

I am stumped. Sorry, I am not sure how to go about sueing them.

But I remember a case where a town in the USA where cancer and deformation among kids were high. A mother does her own research and confirm her suspicions that the water they drank was contaminated.

If u wish, u can do ur own research, but u need to fork out money of ur own. There are private chem labs that will do analysis for u, but money is needed of course.

lionnoisy SG

SE Queensland,(including Brisbane) water storge reached

20% of Total Capacity in Jan 2008

They are still arguing if they need to build recycling water plants!!

Water level dropped from 60% in early 2004 to only 20%

in Jan 2008!!That is about 10% point per year.

i must admit that in any 6 months,water level can increase

by 20 % point .But what if no rains fall in few more years....

I dunt think this is a good way to run a state.

No citizen shall face the threat of water shortage.

This threat also drive away potential investors.

http://www.seqwater.com.au/content/standard.asp?name=DamOperationsandMaintenance

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Can the vast catchment areas near Brisbane

compsensate for lower rainfall and drought?

All together,the catchment is 7400 km sq for

SE QLD,including Brisbane.

Rainfall about 1175 mm.Population about 2.6 million for SE QLD.

Compared with Singapore,Local catchment is currently

about 350 km sq(half of main island) and rainfall 2200 mm,

providing half of water demand for 4.8 million population.

That is 1.30 million m3 x 50%=650,000 m3 a day can be extracted

from SG local catchment!!

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The dams are near Brisbane--

Wivenhoe Dam--

catchment area of the dam is 5554 square kilometres.,

hold back a further 1.45 million megalitres as well as its normal storage capacity of 1.16 million megalitres.

Somerset Dam--

catchment area of the dam is 1503 square kilometres.

The storage capacity of the dam at the top of the Spillway Gates is 904,000 megalitres. The present storage capacity reserved for water supply services is 380,000 megalitres,

North Pine Dam--348 square kilometre catchment area with an average annual rainfall of 1175mm. The dam stores 215,000 megalitres of water

Is it safe?

In this Platinum 4 and MP4 era,is it funnny a learned OZ professor

and Australians still doubt the safety of recycling water.

The millions of lawyers in USA will not miss this opportunity to

sue local,state and Federal gavaman in cyclying water!!

Califorians have been drinking recycling water for few decades!!

Nats' 'kooky voodoo' water science

Ms Bligh attacked critics of the plan in parliament as National Health and Medical Research Council water quality advisory committee head Don Bursill cautioned that recycled water posed additional risks to supplies.

Professor Bursill said the risk would be acceptably low if Queensland followed national recycled water guidelines, as the state had indicated it would, but it was preferable to rely on conventional sources.

Recycled sewage and industrial waste will constitute between 10per cent and 25per cent of the water supply in southeast Queensland from early next year.

Ms Bligh and Deputy Premier Paul Lucas ridiculed the Opposition's policy not to proceed with the water plan unless storages in the region fell below 40per cent capacity. They presently average just over 40per cent.

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SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

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