PAP gives 69 yr old jobless Ah Pek $150 a mth to survive

last SG · 2008-12-26T13:23:55+00:00

not gonna be a bitch in this forum but den again i can't seem to symphatize with this old man because he was offered a job but at the same time if he was sma...

rain-coat SG

Err where is the Jurong Island part? Don't see it in the original interview.

ya lor...

zenden9 SG

Err where is the Jurong Island part? Don't see it in the original interview.

So u are trying to imply the ah pek lazy, can cycle don't want to cycle and cheat the $150 of transport fee spend?

Cycle from Geylang to whompoa is near but from Geylang to jurong island is prove to much for a 69 yrs old ah pek. I purposely use a very far away example to prove my point. If I use a nearer place then u bastard heartless people will claim the 69 yrs old ah pek lazy to cycle. and try to push all the blame back to him.

A 69 ah pek who can be so hardworking cycle from whompa to geylang to look for work definitely wouldn't be so lazy not to cycle to the $300 job workplace. It's only when the workplace proves too far then it forces him to spend the already very limited money for transport.. Yet u a**hole still question his intention and try to imply he is lazy?

Prove my point wrong.

teraexa SG

The right-wings will claim that it's the old man's fault that he didn't plan for his old age when he was younger and his ability to earn was much higher, resulting in today's situation.

The left-wings will claim it's the government's fault for not providing a social safety net for these old folks. They love to use this example to start espousing on the greater income disparity and so on and so forth.

At the end of the day, who is right? The left-wingers or the right-wingers?

Let me tell you, there's no winner at the end of the day. The old man is the real loser.

While you people debate about toppling this current regime or blaming the old man for his lack of foresigh, he still has to live on his meagre $150 every month.

Really, sometimes, is politicking really so enjoyable? To the point where we start associating this with the oversight and failings of the PAP and even to Temasek Holdings' fault?

So what if you win? So what if you topple the regime? So what if you discredit Temasek Holdings?

At the end of the day, this old man will still live on anonymously and someday will pass on without so much as a miniscule effect on the lives of others. Does it occur to both sides that we should start solving the problem and stop pinpointing the source of the blame?

What happened to realpolitik? Is it so unfashionable nowadays that we have no choice but to keep asking 'why' it went wrong and 'who' is responsible for it instead of asking 'how' or 'what' we can do to solve the problem?

Really. Speakers' Corner is not a place to play the blame game. We need people to stop listing problems for the sake of finding faults. We need them to provide some solutions as well.

Shame on those who politicised this issue. Shame on you.

Stevenson101 SG

So u are trying to imply the ah pek lazy, can cycle don't want to cycle and cheat the $150 of transport fee spend?

Prove my point wrong.

I imply nothing, i merely wish to point out where you got the Jurong Island conclusion from because i do not see it in the original interview.

Just because your intention is morally accepted doesn't mean you can make exaggerated claims and expect us to digest it as the correct logic.

This century has barely started, and it has already seen too much of men doing the same thing.

zenden9 SG

I imply nothing, i merely wish to point out where you got the Jurong Island conclusion from because i do not see it in the original interview.

Just because your intention is morally accepted doesn't mean you can make exaggerated claims and expect us to digest it as the correct logic.

This century has barely started, and it has already seen too much of men doing the same thing.

If u agreed i am morally accepted. U shall shoot that rain-coat and stop questioning my intention. Btw, I am not directly trying to imply to u. I just hate that stupid PAP cyber agent rain coat and I am more directly towards him.

Stevenson101 SG

....Why should feeling your intentions are morally accepted means you can do and say whatever you want, allowing no one to challenge your logic?

zenden9 SG

....Why should feeling your intentions are morally accepted means you can do and say whatever you want, allowing no one to challenge your logic?

I am not saying u can't challenge me but they are more worthy things for u to challenge than challenge than my intention. Out of so many sinister and wrong thing in this thread, u choose to challenge a person attempt to expose sinister gov and their agents.

Or are u one of them(agent)?

xtreyier SG

The right-wings will claim that it's the old man's fault that he didn't plan for his old age when he was younger and his ability to earn was much higher, resulting in today's situation.

At the end of the day, who is right? The left-wingers or the right-wingers?

Let me tell you, there's no winner at the end of the day. The old man is the real loser.

While you people debate about toppling this current regime or blaming the old man for his lack of foresigh, he still has to live on his meagre $150 every month.

Really, sometimes, is politicking really so enjoyable? To the point where we start associating this with the oversight and failings of the PAP and even to Temasek Holdings' fault?

So what if you win? So what if you topple the regime? So what if you discredit Temasek Holdings?

Really. Speakers' Corner is not a place to play the blame game. We need people to stop listing problems for the sake of finding faults. We need them to provide some solutions as well.

Shame on those who politicised this issue. Shame on you.

x2!

You have my respect. May change come.

teraexa SG

x2!

You have my respect. May change come.

I thank you but really, respect and change is nothing if there's no concrete actions that come from it. Inspire others using not only hope, or hope for change, but rather effect the change itself.

rain-coat SG

lol? so does providing an alternative insight mean that im a pap cyber agent? ok then SDP cyber agent.

The point is that the interview provides too little information for us to pinpoint whose fault is it and like teraexa said, whats the point?

And like what Stevenson101, Why should feeling your intentions are morally accepted means you can do and say whatever you want, allowing no one to challenge your logic?

Since you are so narrow-minded, i think it will do you good to perhaps move on to another forum glorifying the opposition parties.

rain-coat SG

zaxis SG

can he claim medical un-fit for 12 months

can he see poly clininc doctor, get month MC

what ever problem he has? weak heart, weak here, weak there?

if he can get MC can go see social service, get public Assistance

poor man VISA card

FREE lunch / dinner from http://www.thkms.org.sg/

333225520 SG

his job is in jurong island? if so then sorry, never see, error on my part...but still even if transport cost up to $100, he still can have $200 to spend

In the interview, he (and his wife) said the workplace is very far and the transport cost $100++. And for a 69 year old to cycle everyday to work? Even a young man is unable to do so.

He said the transport is $100++, so he may have only $100++ left after minus the transport. And he mentioned in the interview himself that it's okay for him but after minus the meal (if he eat outside), but what about his wife? (if you bother to watch thru the entire interview).

I am not sure if he take up the job, will the $150 subsidise disappear as well? or is the $150 meant for him and his wife.

The interview also asked him isn't the gov handout supposed to be $300++ which he said NO, only $150.

333225520 SG

why he dont want the $300 job? if he can cycle from geylang to whompoa, why cant he cycle to work?

He did said it's far, so let's said the distance is 10km, he will have to cycle 20km per day. For a 69 years old? Are you able to cycle that distance everyday yourself considering you should be much more younger than him?

333225520 SG

its not easy being a social worker cos of the workload you get and of course the pay. imagine yourself getting a degree from nus only to earn like 1.9k a month. also the cases that you face everyday will take a toll on you, not everyone can split a clear line btw smypathy and empahty, so not everyone can be a social worker.

talking about reserves, there is a reason why its called "reserve"

Than why the gov can't increase the salary of the social worker to attach more people to join as social worker? And does social worker need to be degree holder? I think 1.9k is a great starting pay for poly graduate.

There's hundred of worse job than social worker, like those working in funeral line, having to see dead bodies everyday. But I am sure there are still plenty of people willing to work as long as the salary is great.

Give me just 10% of our PM salary and I don't mind even to tend to dead people everyday.

LOL, the reserve is like your CPF. You may be out of job, no money, sick, dying, but still can't touch your CPF money even if its hundreds of thousand.

Poh Ah Pak SG

If construction worker starting monthly pay is 2K, would you want to work as one?

333225520 SG

I know how to double 100 dollars within 2 weeks.

I spend 100 dollars to prepare powerful materials, then teach tuition to earn back 200 dollars

tada!

Oh? And how to earn 10k in 2 weeks with 100 dollars? Rhythm Gate said it is possible if you have creativity.

zaxis SG

for 69 to clock 100+ on transport is alot

they has senior citizen ezlink card

333225520 SG

Don't think it's about the pay or increasing the number of social workers, social work is an extremely stressful job to do because of the many tragedies and sad cases you'd have to deal with. It's a job that's pretty much makes you feel there isn't any hope in life or there just isn't any happy endings.

I've done a part time censer before for the URA i think and i was required to interview the old people in Chinatown. I already found it very difficult to ask family questions from a old woman who has 2 retarded daughters, with every answer i get even more depressing than the next. I can't imagine how it would feel having to deal with cases like that on a daily basis, and how long before you just slip into depression.

I would guess the turnover rate for social workers to be quite significant.

Ya, and there are many many many jobs which are equally or more stressful. But why do you think there are still people working in these job? Answer -> because of the pay.

So obviously if there's a lack of social worker, than one important factor must be the pay and benefit.

333225520 SG

for 69 to clock 100+ on transport is alot

they has senior citizen ezlink card

Senior citizens can enjoy concession fares during the concession hours only (no idea why)...

http://www.transitlink.com.sg/fares_sc.html

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