Alarmists Still Heated Even As World Cools

Poh Ah Pak SG

consumerism and materialism are sick ideologies.

If too extreme, then it is bad.

freedomclub SG

Apparantly, when consumerism and materialism dictate the self-worth of people and social status- people judging others not as human beings, but what they own- you know society is sick.

Stevenson101 SG

I agree with you on the fact that society has to reduce their consumption levels, consumerism and materialism are sick ideologies. But the reasons which we do it are flawed. And besides why do you think corporations spend billions every year advertising. In addition anthropogenic CO2 (around 0.0068%) gases do not affect climate, 98% of GHG is water vapour.

In Al Gore's so-called Inconvenient Truth, he states that there is a complex relationship between CO2 and temperature. But he doesnt go on to state it. The complex relationship is that CO2 levels lag temperatures, according to ice core records, by about 800 years. Immediately, that makes him a corporate shrill who is pushing a carbon tax to fill corporate coffers.

The way I see it, stabilising Africa is a danger to be prevented. The exploitation of the natives and natural resources can only continue if African countries, for instance the Congo, are divided and in turmoil. That why the people or any nationalistic leaders cannot use the country's natural resources for national development. Divide and Rule, a classic tactic from the age of colonialism. In fact, from 2001-2003, the UN put together 3 reports that blame the chaos in Congo on about 100 corporations, if anyone still doubts that fact.

Well, I am also unable to completely interpret that report, but one thing I can derive is that EGS offers huge potential. I'm no engineer, I cannot argue about the technical details that EGS involves. But I do know that sofar, discussion about renewable energy sources like geothermal, wind, solar, wave and tidal are very scarce in the MSM. If there is one incentive for corporations to suppress such information, its because of control. Fossil fuels/biofuels/hydrogen/nuclear are technologies that make people and countries dependent on energy companies. Imagine if every house in the world was energy self-sufficient, these corporations wouldnt make any money at all.

More than 100 years ago, Nikola Tesla offered humanity unlimited energy by tapping the EM energy in the atmosphere. Upon his death, his work was hushed up and he fell into obscurity. Given how much is being covered up by the MSM and public awareness, it is likely that energy independence is a danger to be averted when we can achieve it.

I spend everyday reading the articles on http://www.theoildrum.com/

Coincidentally there is an article today on geothermal plants.I find it excellent reading because there are quite a few professors who post on it and can explain quite well in technical details on what will work and why.

The main disagreement i have in your logic is that you treat the corporations like some monolithic group mind bent on world domination while i believe they are the ugly manifestation of our primitive instincts - the inability to identify needs and wants. They are not united as you believe, but it is also their united stubborn need to keep what they have that's causing the troubles in the world.

While i agree in America there is this trend, because the corporate lobbies do not want to lose profits from the move from fossil fuels. I do not share your belief that current alternate fuel technologies can even come close to matching the output from fossil fuels. Nikola Tesla merely claimed that the theory was workable, he could not give the evidence to support, the same with the claim of cold fusion.

And even if we had the technology, our lifestyle will have to make massive changes to accommodate the transition. And this is impossible in a democracy, especially a mature one. Because in a democracy, the fools will always outnumber the intelligent.

freedomclub SG

I stand by my stand that corporations are fucking up the planet in their lust for power and wealth. World domination, you're probably not too off.

Look up the Bilderberg Group (please not Wikipedia). 125 of the world's most powerful corporate and political elites who meet in secret every year since 1954 under armed guard. Why doesnt the MSM cover it? Why arent their discussions made public? When the G8 meet, the press goes crazy. But when 125 powerful people from business, government, industry and academia meet in secret, its a taboo to speak about them? Is this conspiracy? Yes, it is.

BBC investigated their 1954 meeting and concluded that they were behind the EU. Corporate interest dictating political developments. Leaked minutes from the 1973 meeting revealed that they wanted to engineer the 400% hike in oil prices after the Yom Kippur War (engineered too?) to recoup corporate costs of North Sea oil exploration. Need I say more? This hatred of corporations, hijacking governments is justified.

And I agree, in a monopolised society, where the masses are kept to a suitable level of intelligence to be obedient workers, its hard to envision change that is democratic, in the common good. But then, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Seems quite mundane:

http://www.bilderberg.org/1999

Poh Ah Pak SG

Bilderberg is more of a discussion and policy coordinating group in my opinion.

freedomclub SG

"discussion and policy coordinating group" So they plan world events that seem to happen months later by accident?

Translating out of your whitewashed term, one could say its corporate-political collusion.

One step further, its a conspiracy.

This is from that site you quoted:

"Wouldn't it be satisfying if the energy being put in to help sort out our misdirected world could turn things around? It would be comforting to think so but realistically the banks, corporate media and other transnational corporations, the merger maniacal 'dark side', are extending their monopolistic control.

The modern transnational corporation is an immortal, soulless collusion of greed that reduces everything it touches to a dollar value. In law a corporation is a person, able to own property and resources just as a person can only, it seems, not responsible for the deaths it causes. The present 'War on Terror' is a fraudulent attempt to create a new Moslem enemy, much like the attack on the Jew's in the 1930's. Nato and many Western Military masters are following the same tactics as Hitler's Nazis."

Poh Ah Pak SG

So financial crisis also created by bilderberg group?

freedomclub SG

Of course you would think that liberating Man from the monetary system is fantasy. That is a form of conditioning that society perpetrates. All of us have known money our whole lives. Therefore, its only natural that we would seek to defend the status quo that we know. I'm just asking you to look at this concept with an open mind and think whether it'll be a better system than corporate-political domination through the monetary system.

freedomclub SG

So financial crisis also created by bilderberg group?

Perhaps. I don't have any evidence to back that up, but its likely there was foreknowledge of it. It wouldnt be the first time the corporate-political elites engineer financial crisis to facilitate the transfer of wealth to themselves. Like how Rothschild engineered a stock market panic, taking advantage of his knowledge of Napoleon's defeat in 1815 and how the Fed engineered the Great Depression. Like I posted in a new post.

freedomclub SG

Bilderberg is more of a discussion and policy coordinating group in my opinion.

Then why is it so secret?

What you dont know cant hurt them?

If you still believe that democracy exists, then that is an undemocratic process.

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