The New US President - Barack Obama

Poh Ah Pak SG

Moreover he is also part of the globalist organisation, the Council on Foreign Relations,

What is 'globalist' organisation?

freedomclub SG

An organisation that is dedicated to setting up a one world government, like those sites you shown me.

Why not look at the whole post instead of focusing on such a minute details such as this?

Poh Ah Pak SG

I don't think CFR is dedicated to setting up a one world government.

Is there evidence?

Poh Ah Pak SG

If you want to know how he's foreign policy will look like, look no further than Zbigniew Brezesinki, Obama's foreign policy guru, who also was Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor. Note that he has a close relationship with David Rockefeller, with whom he co-founded the Trilateral Commission with.

This is the guy who gave the world the Iranian Revolution by supporting Ayatollah Khomeini's revolution against the Shah, the person who provoked the Soviet-Afghan War in 1979 by aiding the Mujahedeen which gave rise to Osama Bin Laden.

In 1997, he published a book called "The Grand Chessboard" which set out US geostrategy. In order for the US to preserve global dominance, Eurasian dominance is key for it contains 75% of the world's population and resources.

While Obama is for withdrawing troops from Iraq, he is planning to expand the war in Afghanistan and also he has said he would support violations of Pakistani sovereignty in the War on (OF) Terror, a fraudulent war built on the 9/11 lie.

And that's what Brezesinki adocated even before the PNAC wrote its "Re-building America's Defence" report calling for a "new Pearl Habour".

Most of above is actually true.

But I don't think Brezesinki is associated with PNAC group.

freedomclub SG

Lets not refer to it as "one world government" since you probably will think I'm going to connect this to a conspiracy. Rather, lets focus on a policy of global integration (Yes, semantic deception again). And remember that I have never centered this movement on any particular group or individual.

Remember what Brezesinki said?

"We cannot leap into world government [his words, not mine] in one quick step... The precondition for eventual globalisation- genuine globalisation- is progressive regionalisation, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."

So the precondition for global integration is "progressive regionalisation". Since the CFR is in North America, let's use the North American Union as an example. In 2002, the CFR released a report entitled "Towards a North American Community" in which it supported an integration between Canada, the US and Mexico, which was formalised when Bush signed the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) with his North American counterparts. But really, its an extension of the 1994 NAFTA, which sought to "harmonise" regulations between the 3 countries. And under the SPP, regulations between the 3 in a wide-range of fields from immigration to education to agriculture and even military etc are further integrated in a repeat of the EU. Not only is the CFR guided by this globalist ideology, but as evident from NAFTA and the SPP, it is able to guide government decisions because every administration puts CFR members into high-ranking political positions. Most significant departments of the US Cabinet are usually staffed by CFR members.

As further evidence of the CFR's globalist ideology, its president Richard Haas wrote this in an op-ed:

"Globalisation thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves, because they cannot insulate themselves from what goes on elsewhere. Sovereignty is no longer a sanctuary." -http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sovereignty_and_globalisation.html

Moreover, the simultaneous merging of an emerging NAU and the EU is also conducted with the blessings of the CFR, together with other globalist-minded organisations. The Transatlantic Policy Network, which pushed for a common market (integration) between the US and the EU, lists the CFR as one of their cooperating institutions. - http://www.tpnonline.org/institutions.html

You'll probably call these guys "crackpots" too, although you're unqualified, but what the heck..

"The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common- the want to bring about the surrender of sovereignty and the national independence of the US. A second clique of international bankers in the CFR... comprises the Wall Street international bankers and their key agents. Primarily, they want the world banking monopoly from whatever power ends up in the control of global government." -Chester Ward, Retired US Rear Admiral and former CFR member.

And remember what Carrol Quigley, who was a CFR historian wrote: "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim; nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole."

If you're that good at Googling conspiratorial stuff, shouldn't you know that "NWO crackpots" usually accuse the CFR of being a harbinger of world government. But I guess, even the best sometimes screw up.

P.S No, Brezesinki is not connected with the PNAC, as far as I know nor did I claim he was. I was just comparing his 1997 book about geostrategy in Central Asia with the PNAC 2000 report that indirectly called for the US to invade oil-rich countries in the wake of a "new Pearl Habour" (which would conveniently come 1 year later).

Poh Ah Pak SG

And remember what Carrol Quigley, who was a CFR historian wrote:

Carroll Quigley is NOT a CFR historian.

The Improbable Dr. Quigley

http://www.tboyle.net/University/Quigley

http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/

Poh Ah Pak SG

Remember what Brezesinki said?

Who cares what he says?

Is there evidence that he influenced policy?

Zbigniew Brzezinski opposes Iraq war but USA still invaded.

So his influence on policy is limited.

freedomclub SG

Sorry, he was not a CFR historian, I wrote that because he was given the opportunity to study the CFR's internal documents. He was a CFR member though.

Who cares about what a man like Brezesinki said? Even though he is probably more influential than you or I will ever become? He influenced policy back in Carter's days that is still having ramifications today. Moreover, he attends Bilderberg Meetings. So yes, its important to pay attention to what he says, especially about the precondition to world government being progressive regionalisation. I don't see how that can be construed as an illogical reasoning.

Of course, he opposed the Iraq invasion because it was a stupid idea and would not advance US interests in the region. You may not know, but Brezesinki is probably someone you call a Machiavellian. Instead of invading Venezuela, he would probably pit Columbia against Venezuela. Iran/Syria/China could be manipulated against Russia. Just like how he pitted the Mujahedeen against the Russians to give them a "vietnam".

The point I was trying to make in my original post was that Obama does not represent change which will benefit the working citizen. If you don't want to address that, and instead want to debate about world government, then do that in the NWO thread. Otherwise, stay on topic.

Poh Ah Pak SG

he was given the opportunity to study the CFR's internal documents. He was a CFR member though.

That's not true also.

He was not CFR member or studied CFR docments.

That is probably more bullshit you can pluck from stupid sites.

I am quite irritated with those conspiracy folks distorting his quotes and works in order to spin their NWO propaganda.

See:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search

Basically all the stuff you read about him regarding NWO on conspiracy sites are distortion and misinterpretations taken from his books.

freedomclub SG

He is. We can keep on asserting it until Hell freezes over. Ignore what I said about Carroll Quigley then, even if you remove those few lines of words, I doubt it'll make any difference. While he may have not credited the NWO movement, he admits there is an "international anglophile network" that controls both parties and hence, elections.

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." - From "Tragedy and Hope"

Surely this cannot be taken out of context, and lets forget the NWO for a moment since this thread is about Obama, who is NOT change. By the way, I emailed the CFR for a membership roster, for which they dont have a historic one for the public so it'll be impossible to verify Quigley's membership (pretty efficient, I must admit). However, I couldn't find Obama's name in it, so I was wrong to say that he was a member. And what of it? Does not change the disproporationate amount of influence the CFR has on every administration.

A final call, if you want to call me out on the NWO, do it in that thread.

Arapahoe SG

there are alot of bullshit in this forum. May i remind everyone Obama has not take office yet....

Soosiangong SG

Christians, Do not hate Obama and his government.If you do so, you are against God.Obama will attain global peace.Amen!

freedomclub SG

there are alot of bullshit in this forum. May i remind everyone Obama has not take office yet....

Let me quote from CenturionMBT's forum guidelines:

"All Statements here Must be backed with facts and not baseless allegations."

How is the fact that Obama is not president yet linked to Arapahoe's assertion that whatever views for which I've substantiated is "bullshit"? If they are, Arapahoe is bound by forum ethics and the guidelines to provide some evidence for his assertion.

Similarly, Soosiangong has just made a baseless allegation because his statement implies that Obama is God, or some representation of God, without giving some evidence for it (evidence which I look forward to seeing). Likewise, he has asserted that Obama will "attain global peace" without backing it up, while I've given substantial evidence that he will bring just the contrary.

Short Ninja SG

Why Obama communist?

Is there evidence to show that Obama is communist?

Why didn't McCain reveal the evidence during campaign to bring down Obama?

What is your criticism on communist ideology?

A capitalist is a man who exploits another man.A Communist is the other way around.All politicians are more or less the same maybe Obama is a shade better than all of them.

Atobe SG

A capitalist is a man who exploits another man.A Communist is the other way around.All politicians are more or less the same maybe Obama is a shade better than all of them.

"A Capitalist is a man who exploits another man" ?

A Communist will be one that not only exploit another man, but will also control the other person in TOTALITY.

If the US Citizens believe that "all politicians are more or less the same" - and if Obama is a shade better than the "Capitalist" and the "Communist" put together, then he certainly deserve to win - simply based on his ability to 'hoodwink' the popular votes from those millions of Americans who voted for him; as well as the majority of the Electoral College votes that was given to Obama.

Fantagf SG

Obama vows to exit Iraq and rebuild US 'moral stature'

AFP - 25 minutes ago, 17 November 2008

WASHINGTON, (AFP) - - US President-elect Barack Obama vowed to pull troops out of Iraq, crush Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and shut down the Guantanamo Bay camp as part of a dramatic foreign policy break with George W. Bush.

Repairing the stricken US economy will be priority number one, even at the cost of still-bigger budget deficits, Obama said in his first major post-election interview broadcast on CBS program "60 Minutes" late Sunday.

Following his election triumph of November 4, Obama said at least one Republican would be in his cabinet and confirmed that he had met former Democratic primary rival Hillary Clinton last week.

But the president-elect refused to comment on speculation linking the former first lady to the job of secretary of state.

The man who will be the first black US president is accelerating his transition to inauguration day, resigning his Senate seat Sunday and appointing three more top aides to serve in his White House once he succeeds Bush.

As soon as that happens on January 20, Obama said, "I will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, my national security apparatus, and we will start executing a plan that draws down our troops" from Iraq .

"Particularly in light of the problems that we're having in Afghanistan, which has continued to worsen. We've got to shore up those efforts," Obama said in the interview, which was taped Friday.

On the campaign trail, Obama vowed to pull one or two combat brigades out of Iraq every month until after 16 months, only a residual security force of unspecified size remains. Some of those brigades would head to Afghanistan.

He told CBS that "it is a top priority for us to stamp out Al-Qaeda once and for all" and that killing or capturing the group's mastermind Osama bin Laden was "critical" to US security.

Obama pledged to tackle controversial offshoots of Bush's "war on terror" -- the US military's internment camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and harsh interrogations of captured terror suspects.

"I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that," the president-elect said.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture. And I'm going to make sure that we don't torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world," Obama added.

But he did not elaborate on where the Guantanamo prisoners would be taken, whether they would be transferred to civilian custody in the United States itself, put on trial, or released.

A command to redeploy troops out of Iraq or shut down Guantanamo could be done in short order under Obama's presidential prerogatives, and he is expected to reverse a slew of other contentious "executive orders" signed by Bush.

Obama said that in Congress, his first legislative priority was getting another stimulus package passed to prop up the enfeebled economy , if Democrats in the outgoing legislature fail to overcome Republican opposition.

As already shown in excerpts released by CBS, Obama said it would be a "disaster" for the government to stand by and let the cash-strapped General Motors and the auto industry in general collapse.

In line with the outcome of a summit Saturday of the world's 20 biggest economies, the president-elect said forging new regulation of the financial markets was essential to restoring the trust of consumers.

Obama appeared unconcerned about the red ink blotting the US government's finances, arguing economists from left and right agreed that "we have to do whatever it takes to get this economy moving again."

"And that we shouldn't worry about the deficit next year or even the year after. That short term, the most important thing is that we avoid a deepening recession," he said.

Joined by his wife Michelle in the interview, Obama said their two young daughters would get their promised dog, and expressed hope that Michelle's mother Marian Robinson would move in with them at their new residence.

Obama, a gifted writer who has authored two best-selling memoirs, turned wistful as he anticipated life in the White House fishbowl.

"That's something that I don't think I'll ever get used to. I mean, the loss of anonymity," he said. "And this is not a complaint, this is part of what you sign up for."

On Monday, Obama will meet in Chicago with his former Republican rival, Arizona Senator John McCain.

Soosiangong SG

Don't take an Obama win for granted.

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