JI Leader Mas Selamat Escaped From Detention Centre

last SG · 2008-02-27T22:48:34+00:00

Game over. Watch the ch8 news?? good job

maurizio13 SG

Why you never volunteer to watch over the guy when he was in the detention centre?

Why?

Of course you are responsible lah.

guilty as charged.

all Singaporeans are responsible for the escape of Mas Selamat Kastari.

we should not put the blame on our overworked and underpaid Ministers.

we Singaporeans should just let the matter rest, it's an honest mistake and negligence.

charlize SG

Million dollar salaries for the guards at the detention centre.

That's how you motivate them to be vigilent.

balance_else_complacent SG

Million dollar salaries for the guards at the detention centre.

That's how you motivate them to be vigilent.

I cannot find any reason to justify that your suggestion does not make sense.

since security is reportedly poor, maybe it is time to look into the security leaderships and men's wages. It is said that paying millions will bring in the talented talents.

So, in this respect, you may have suggested a solution never tried before for security. If i were security and paid just 1.5 million a year, i pledge to do whatever my boss tell me to say, do and write. I will serve with 100% best. if this does not work, plug in another 1.5 million to make it nice and round figure of 3 million a year. CPF and Bonus and perks and allowances not yet included somemore.

good idea! but who pays?

balance_else_complacent SG

guilty as charged.

all Singaporeans are responsible for the escape of Mas Selamat Kastari.

we should not put the blame on our overworked and underpaid Ministers.

we Singaporeans should just let the matter rest, it's an honest mistake and negligence.

yes, i feel guilty also.

I think i will err on my complacency by volunteering to work on behalf of our guards. like this cans or nots?

eagle SG

... one question;

when was the last time WKS personally visited the detention center and did a walk about to inpect the facilities there?

you would realised that WKS absolved himself of everything by commenting it is ISD's responsibility and saying "we must support them" instead of "Singaporeans must support us"

QX179R SG

Channel NewsAsia - 51 minutes ago

SINGAPORE: The questions and answers which followed Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong’s ministerial statement on Tuesday still focused on accountability and responsibility for the escape of Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) detainee Mas Selamat Kastari.

Some MPs even broached the idea — whether ministers should resign, as CEOs do in the private sector, when there are serious lapses.

But the prime minister said calls for public officers to resign should be rejected.

"If you take this to the logical conclusion, it should go all the way up to the prime minister. And every time something happens in the government, you change (the) prime minister. This is not how this government works," said Mr Lee.

MP for Ang Mo Kio GRC Inderjit Singh expressed confidence in the deputy prime minister and the Internal Security Department (ISD), but also raised the issue of punishment.

"We have adopted a reward system that matches that of the private sector that we pay everyone as high as possible. And therefore people expect that — when you make a mistake, you (should) be appropriately punished," he said.

The prime minister reiterated that punishments must depend on the results of investigations.

"If you generate the culture that nobody wants to make mistakes and (is) afraid to do something for fear of making mistakes, that — as Dr Goh Keng Swee used to say — would be the biggest mistake of all," said Mr Lee. — CNA/ac

balance_else_complacent SG

Why you never volunteer to watch over the guy when he was in the detention centre?

Why?

Of course you are responsible lah.

i agree.

We are all complacent.

1. why din we audit the DC?

2. why din we keep watch of abang?

3. why din we go into the forests and under rain and catch abang ?

4. why did we focus on our work and not on the abang?

you see, we have sinned. But this is an honest mistake. So, we are pardoned. not our fault.

the pore has shown the world and all intellectuals what our leadership is all about. they so great and integrity.

if no change in future, i resign from the inc. I swear.

balance_else_complacent SG

who talent audited the DC?

the toilet.

the guards readiness.

the wall's weakness.

the video camera and surveilance system.

What was actually right in the DC?

Is the auditor responsible?

From which organisation is the auditor from?

This reminds me of a dam were water release was done improperly and led to death of a kid. On this hindsight, then some talent realise complacency.

This reminds me also of a case where a cyclist banged into a rail and was dead. On this hindsight, the rail was removed.

This reminds me of people jumping onto the tracks.

No surveilance camera?

balance_else_complacent SG

I think our talented talents should now feel even more Assured when our leadership of all leadership said they should not be worried that they will be sacked for politico expendiency when things are done wrongly. i take it that it means the leadership is very good wan. very wise wan. super super wan.

redDUST SG

This reminds me also of a case where a cyclist banged into a rail and was dead. On this hindsight, the rail was removed.

paralysed, never die. don't anyhow curse people.

balance_else_complacent SG

now seems to me WKS is not responsible for the fiasco. to me only lah. when leader of all leadership asked, who thinks uncle should resign, no one uttered anything.

by this, i think indeed maybe, uncle is not responsible at all.

i feel proud of the pore. our parlaimentarians and near centurions. they have made the pore proud by making this known to the world.

1st world.

world record.

honest.

integrity.

like this how can have corruption?

this shows why we need Opposition.

Many complacently denied the need of a stronger opposition. They are not knowlegeable about life yet.

This fiasco shows the need for a strong opposition.

Else, who would ask what LTK asked?

So interesting question.

Of course, in the end, our leadership gave a super duper convincing reply that silenced everyone in the room.

good debate good good. opposition has a place.

robertteh SG

A series of security lapses were found by the committee of inquiry which apparently has no scope to find and publish its own findings.

So a higher committee consisting of PM and MHA discussing what to do and what to say is convened to supersede the COI.

Let us look at the security lapses:-

(1) A gaping window in the prison toilet.
(2) A fence that can be easily scaled or climbed over through the adjoining structure.
(3) CCTV not working at the same time.
(4) Guards failing to stop prisoner from locking himself in the toilet with an ungrilled inviting window blamed on renovation contractor for not doing a proper job.
(5) Absence of guard in watching post over the entry/exit and fences.
(6) Toilet which is lockable from inside with an ungrilled window within.

According to PM Lee he was satisfied that the minister of home affair is competent with the overall prisoner facility and set-up and the above-stated world-class lapses.

Obviously these lapses were not his own (PM)'s responsibility as well.

Talents, leadership they claimed to have when approving their own million-dollar salaries but when it comes to such series of lapses as stated in the foregoing they said one must have the courage to standby the minister or the higher up who are certainly looking aghast why the window gap was so big and they did not notice it.

Medicated Oil SG

When something happened at the MRT, CCTV not working.

When Mas did a toilet break, CCTV not working again.

How can Mas be so heng to know that within the 11 mins of his departure, the CCTV is not working ?

Just summarise the finding as all the guards were sleeping. (They are just following the poodles)

That would be a simple reason.

It is funny and shameless that these poodles want the high salary tagged with the top earners and when they made a mistake, they concluded that it is still better compared to a much worse condition.

This lapse of responsibilty is NOT acceptable in a FIRST WORLD country.

How can the boss and lackey accept such ridiculous explanation ?

It is just a insult to the general public.

The old man have obviously nominated a bunches of monkeys to fill up the house.

So much for keeping power and control within his useless clan.

Atobe SG

MP for Ang Mo Kio GRC Inderjit Singh had expressed correctly that .

It is not so much the matter of punishment for the mistakes that had occurred, but more a matter of personal accountability, personal integrity, of the Head of the entire pyramid in order to restore the dent to Singapore's reputation.

We have been told time and again, that Singapore aims for the highest standards in every field, yet we have to accept the lowering of standards simply to protect the clan members of the Ruling Political Party.

It is absurd for this whole matter to be considered settled, and the Home Minister absolved, while the highest level where the axe fall is on the Head Superintendent of the Detention Centre.

This Government has been protecting its own - from within their political party, and also from the clan members that bungled billion dollars away when managing GLCs.

One can only wonder where is the admiration of MM LKY towards the Japanese Culture of the Chairman or CEO or President of the Corporation accepting personal responsibility for the major mistakes within its organisation that affect larger society, or affecting the reputation of the Corporation.

This is another example in the ''Culture of Double Standards'' that MM LKY has created from his term as PM, and continue to be practised by PM LHL.

The Japanese has not stopped being a nation of risk takers and inovators even as they encourage a culture of personal responsibility and accountability.

Why will PM LHL believe that forcing WKS or other Senior Civil Servants to accept responsibility - for the GROSS MISTAKES in his Ministry - will encourage a culture of fear to make mistakes ?

On the contrary, such absolution of the ''senior management'' can only demoralise the lower ranks for being made scape goats.

balance_else_complacent SG

And what is the result of having said what he said?

I present to you the Pore where very honest people lives and the news is as neutral as the press.

redDUST SG

MP for Ang Mo Kio GRC Inderjit Singh had expressed correctly that .

It is absurd for this whole matter to be considered settled, and the Home Minister absolved, while the highest level where the axe fall is on the Head Superintendent of the Detention Centre.

This Government has been protecting its own - from within their political party, and also from the clan members that bungled billion dollars away when managing GLCs.

This is another example in the ''Culture of Double Standards'' that MM LKY has created from his term as PM, and continue to be practised by PM LHL.

The Japanese has not stopped being a nation of risk takers and inovators even as they encourage a culture of personal responsibility and accountability.

Why will PM LHL believe that forcing WKS or other Senior Civil Servants to accept responsibility - for the GROSS MISTAKES in his Ministry - will encourage a culture of fear to make mistakes ?

On the contrary, such absolution of the ''senior management'' can only demoralise the lower ranks for being made scape goats.

singapore is safe, in every sense of the word, won't you agree?

freedom4ever SG

COI report

HyperFocal SG

... it is amazing how they are so readily forgiving of themselves, while stomping others down into the ground over a few published words...

Shotgun SG

The prime minister reiterated that punishments must depend on the results of investigations.

In the private sector, people -:

A) Get Fired for mistakes on this scale.

B) Take responsibility and resign.

Logically, if you follow private sector payscale, then why not follow private sectors way of weeding out people who just don't make the scratch?

This is not a mistake that was made by the fear of making crucial decisions. So this is not going to build a culture of people being afraid to make mistakes.

This IS an example of people failing do what they are paid to do. No one made a bad call except for the female SDO. This is a failure to react to a highlighted security issue.

Evidently, the window panel was highlighted as a security issue, and hence it handle was sawn off to make it harder for it to be opened. They did not add a grill, but chose to just saw off the handle. Unfortunately, this reflects a half hearted effort to secure against a potential breach of security.

This is not to say that WKS should be fired or resign. But someone else other than 2 Ghurkas and an SDO must take responsibility for not reacting to a reported security flaw.

redDUST SG

the bucks stop at WKS. this is a case of not admitting mistake that a serious lapse has occured at MHA, helmed by WKS. can you afford mistakes on national security matter?

next time;

transport minister on circle line not joining at a circle because of laxes, "nebermind one, mistakes only what. LHL sure forgive one. we just spend another $1b to make it into an oval line. no problem".

health minister on wrongful administering of drugs to patients in SGH,due to laxes in control, "nebermind one, mistakes only what, LHL sure forgive one. just ask the SGH GM to resign. we just say the old people immune here not strong. anyway, old also near death anyway. no problem. carry on, carry on"

law minister mistakenly signing into law that rape is not criminal, ""nebermind one, mistakes only what. LHL sure forgive one. blame the bloody law clerk. anyway, we need to increase our population. bastards also ok lah. er...which hole at i at now? this one, bogey shot ah?"

trade minister mistakenly selling suzhou park to malaysia, thinking it was the IDR agreement, "nebermind one, mistakes only what. LHL sure forgive one. knn, why the translator never translate properly? ask him to resign. we go inner mongolia"

.....and so on.

the culture of `closing one eye' in singapore politics truly takes flight.

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