Let's see... count on Spore to do what?

last SG · 2008-11-06T16:06:33+00:00

Worse than just lightening the people's wallet (first the country was cursed inviting casinos into the land), and if they use the money from people's pocket...

Fantagf SG

LKY didn't support obama, if u had read the papers a few months back.

he must be blowing his top off that mccain lost.

Of course he does not support obama, he likes the republican. LKY commented that obama has no experience to be President. He should use his bloody fucking brain to think before uttering this nuisance for saying this he is inviting people to point fingers at him and his son. If he wants to make such statement, he should just make sure that before his bloody hopeless son lee hsien loong became PM, lee hsien loong must have experience to become PM.

Being an opportunist, I believe now the old dictator is changing his attitude towards obama, without which it is difficult for sg to work with obama.

Poh Ah Pak SG

actually, more than your puny little brain can even dare imagine..

What do you mean?

de_middle SG

Being an opportunist, I believe now the old dictator is changing his attitude towards obama, without which it is difficult for sg to work with obama.

follow where the wind blows

Stevenson101 SG

Taken from Oxford Dictionary website.

Keypoints are "trying to please authority in order to gain some advantage for yourself"

So in this context yes, i say they suck up.

Shameless sucking up to powers is correct position to take?

Of course it is, considering these powers have the ability to completely screw you over. You seemed to think dignity and morals somehow ignores the boundaries of power.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Pursue friendly ties, cooperation, don't try to provoke, respect each other's interests, I consider that to be correct approach.

Shameless sell yourself, suck up to others, I consider wrong approach.

Vendettus SG

People, I think it would help to know that PM Lee's Mentor, MM Lee, crticized the newly elected President of the United States earlier this year while Mr. Barack was running for presidency.

I think it is rather rude for the PM to respond as thus. There wasn't even a hint of apology in his congratulatory message.

But I think the most important thing to note is this: you can count on Singapore.

This is, in my opinion, very different to this:

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Tuesday's poll historic and said he and Mr Obama "share many values".

Chinese President Hu Jintao said he looked forward to strengthening dialogue. France's Nicolas Sarkozy said the poll had raised "enormous hope".

Why? Simply because the other nation representatives did not assume that America needs them. Saying count on Singapore makes something sound like: 'you can count on me to ____'

Not only does this imply that our government thinks highly of themselves (an arrogant nature), it also implies that America needs to count on us.

Chin Eng SG

I will be okay with above statements.

I won't criticise.

There seems to be some confusion Chin Eng.

You confuse "suck up" with someone with "follower" of ideology.

Do you say that muslims "suck up" to Islam, or people "suck up" to jesus?

No, we do not.

We must not be confused.

following? sucking up? it depends on who you ask and how you define it..... at the end of the day, it's who says what and to whom.

Poh Ah Pak SG

following? sucking up? it depends on who you ask and how you define it..... at the end of the day, it's who says what and to whom.

I disagree.

Chin Eng SG

Seems Chin Eng opposes for the sake of opposing, pathetic really. He many times points fingers at forumers who disagree with PAP rather than pointing at the faults of PAP. Wonder is his motive here to distract people from disagreeing with the evil Pay and Pay.

fact remains that I do not criticise any political party. each political party's manifest is noble to the core.... if I have please prove it. I have time and again asked you to show some substance in your accusations.

however i point fingers at forumers who only look at the half empty glass and whack the person filling up the glass.

and if the person filing up the glass happens to be chee, then it's good, the glass is half full.

Chin Eng SG

I disagree.

....and you have every right to do so. I cannot deny you that right.

Fantagf SG

This is, in my opinion, very different to this:

Like father, like son, you think lee hsien loong the arrogant ass will ever admit his fault and apology, fat hope. He has super inflated ego, he is nothing but think hell of so highly of himself. Would love to see his downfall. OBama "bai shou qi jia", lee hsien loong no backbone depends on his father to get to where he is today.

Fantagf SG

however i point fingers at forumers who only look at the half empty glass and whack the person filling up the glass.

and if the person filing up the glass happens to be chee, then it's good, the glass is half full.

So in you opinion, only chee deserves people to disagree with but not PAP???

Stevenson101 SG

Pursue friendly ties, cooperation, don't try to provoke, respect each other's interests, I consider that to be correct approach.

Shameless sell yourself, suck up to others, I consider wrong approach

That only applies to a stituation where you actually hold an advantage or the other party don't have any choices but to deal with you. So the other party is more inclined to work with you, rather than harm its own interest out of spite.

And also, when not sucking up only affects you. In this stituation, it affects an entire country. When the people's well being are affected by whether you're willing to swallow your pride then you better suck it up.

Poh Ah Pak SG

So, if PM Lee told Obama, he could count on Singapore to be USA's loyal servant, would you approve or disapprove?

Stevenson101 SG

If the USA is the world sole remaining superpower and could cripple us, of course i would approve. A country cannot feed itself on pride, especially when this particular country got no arable land and natural resources.

That, is also why Singapore is pursuing better relationships China at the same time.

Poh Ah Pak SG

If the USA is the world sole remaining superpower and could cripple us, of course i would approve.

Your approach and my approach different.

Fantagf SG

That, is also why Singapore is pursuing better relationships China at the same time.

YOur words in red - but our dear LKY a few months ago mentioned that what happen in US does not affect singapore.

Stevenson101 SG

The keypoint of what i said starts with an IF, which currently the USA is not. This is why i hate democracy, it's so bloody easy to twist a quote out of context simply by conveniently ignoring 1 word.

Your approach and my approach different.

My way preaches survival at all cost, compare to that pride and dignity is a small price.

I go into an argument expecting my perspective to change with more information. You however like to hide behind 1 liners like that.

Poh Ah Pak SG

You however like to hide behind 1 liners like that.

If one line enough, why need two?

More confused.

Poh Ah Pak SG

My way preaches survival at all cost, compare to that pride and dignity is a small price.

According to you USA is not that powerful right now, so should PM Lee be sucking up to USA in such a manner?

This is why i hate democracy, it's so bloody easy to twist a quote out of context simply by conveniently ignoring 1 word.

Dictatorship, maybe you dead already.

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