What kind of policies and issues do you want a party to have

last SG · 2008-10-22T02:23:13+00:00

Free Flow Alchohol at the party.

BadzMaro SG

Dont Ask Dont Tell Policy

ray245 SG

I have to agree with you that the PAP is flexible, actually versatile is the word I would use to describe their capacity to swing left and right whenever it suit them to do so.
Why do you consider them as centre-left?

Other than state intervention and control of 'production' being constant, their activities and policies seem more incline towards capitalist ideals.

Aren't privatisation of state owned companies and the adventures of Temasek and GIC considered as such?

Not really. A privatisation of companies is a left wing idea actually, The concept of socialism, as compared to a free market, where there should be no government intervention.

Just because they nationalise a company does not make a nation any less captialistic. Within the system of captialism, there has been camps who are more pro-socialism, and pro- deregulation.

Which is why the opposition needs to create a political stand in the next election and has to show us that they are even more flexible to run a nation, also they need to have the intention of running a nation, not just a GRC.

Their arguments that singapore needs an opposition hence we should vote for them does not stand. We should vote for the party because we agree with a new approach in running a nation.

Just because the PAP swings from left to right, does not mean standing a stand on issues isn't possible. The opposition can even agree with the PAP from time to time, because they can share similar ideas.

They have to show us that the issues that they disagree with the PAP is more important than the issue which they share with the PAP.

likedatosocan SG

I would disagree with the fact that there is only full or no transparency. And it is impossible for any company to have full trasparency.

One reason is, copyright laws will be thrown out of the window, national security secrets will be known and so on.

Even in the most liberal nation on earth, there is no such thing as a full transparency.

Asking for full transparency is like asking you to let everyone know all your secrets in life. Every single thing, from the time you sleep to you hating or being annoyed with someone.

Yet at the same time, it is impossible to have zero transparency. Some form of knowledge will be leaked, one way or another. Moreover, zero transparency go against the role of a government, which is supposed to keep the companies from doing to wrong things.

How transparent things can be depends on how feasible it is.

Its good to hear comments about TRANSPARENCY.

Lets put things in perspective.

1. What is the definition of the word?

source : Wall street words

transparency

2. How is this word used ? Is it the right word to use? Based on the definition, many companies are not TRANSPARENT. What I mean is the wrong word is used.

Another word more suitable and appropriate should be used.

3. Is TRANSPARENCY measurable in a SCIENTIFIC absolute way?

I want to ask everyone here, how much you really understand this simple word, is TRANSPARENCY measured QUALITATIVELY or QUANTITATIVELY?

If it is a qualitative measurement, to me, its a subjective measurement. To different people, the assessment can be different?

If its a quantitative measurement, who has the exact formula?

if no one has a convincing reply, then, I like to say that the word Transparency is used loosely and not completely correctly and another word more appropriate should be used.

Disclaimer : I am not financially savvy. Just a layman, brudder. so, if you know better, please clarify.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Their arguments that singapore needs an opposition hence we should vote for them does not stand.

We should vote for the party because we agree with a new approach in running a nation.

Why doesn't stand?

ray245 SG

Why doesn't stand?

Do you really want to pay people money just to oppose their policy? If you want to vote for a political party, you do need to think that I am actually going to vote that party into power, as compared to voting in a opposition.

The only useful opposition is one that can actually put up a decent fight, and actually BE the government. Only then, will that party have a meaningful role as the opposition, one that actually oppose policy when it is bad, and agree with policy when it is good.

When you want to vote for a party, how can you really tell if the party that you vote for will definelty BE a minority, hence becoming an opposition? What about the fact that MAYBE, just maybe, the majority of the people in singapore is thinking the same thing, and vote for the opposition just because they want an opposition, and in the end the opposition party become the new government?

Moreover, even within the PAP, there are different factions within a party. In any large orgainsation, differnent factions will be form, each with their own ideas to run a nation. Especially with a versatile party like the PAP. When they swing left to right on issues, have you ever wondered that there might be people who support a new direction, and the people who oppose a new direction?

So when you are voting for a opposition party, vote for them because they can lead the nation, not because they can oppose. Please, you don't even to have qualification to be the opposition and oppose almost policy. Members here can do a rather good job opposing almost every policy. So why do we have to vote and let people have an easy well paid job?

You vote for a party because they can run your area or GRC well, then they can also run the country on a national level.

Poh Ah Pak SG

I don't see any factions in PAP currently.

I don't see how PAP is versatile party.

Do you really want to pay people money just to oppose their policy?

Pay money? What do you mean?

I will vote for opposition party to put people in parliament to question PAP policies and to keep a check on them.

So when you are voting for a opposition party, vote for them because they can lead the nation, not because they can oppose.

Like that, we follow your way, PAP will be in power forever.

MIght as well declare one party state, ban other parties.

I don't think PAP would had come to power in 1959 if we vote according to your logic.

ray245 SG

I don't see any factions in PAP currently.

I don't see how PAP is versatile party.

Pay money? What do you mean?

I will vote for opposition party to put people in parliament to question PAP policies and to keep a check on them.

Like that, we follow your way, PAP will be in power forever.

MIght as well declare one party state, ban other parties.

I don't think PAP would had come to power in 1959 if we vote according to your logic.

And people called me naive. Come on, in any large group, in a class for example, people will always form a smaller group of friends. Officially there is no division, but logically speaking, we all know that there is a divsion inside every party.

Look at the SDA for example, where people has disagreement over the new recruits for their party.

Now the pay money part. Look, do you seriously think the any proposal bring up by the PAP has never been discussed among the party ?

What is the reason for an opposition party? Is it suppose to serve as a check on the policy bring forwards by the PAP? The opposition party is there to bring forward a opposing ideaology, and using the principle of a different ideaology, they hope to oppose that motion, and bring forward their own proposal.

Seriously Poh, I have no idea why do you keep contridicting yourself...on one hand, you said we need someone to put a check on the PAP, on the other hand you said that we need to remove the PAP from power. Make up your mind?

Like that, we follow your way, PAP will be in power forever.

MIght as well declare one party state, ban other parties.

I don't think PAP would had come to power in 1959 if we vote according to your logic.

Coming from a person who said that we need to remove the PAP, I find this very funny. So you are saying that we should remove the PAP by voting for the opposition to be the opposition?

And if the opposition show us that they are willingly and is able to lead the nation, you are going to stop voting for the opposition parties?

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