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kopiosatu SG

not at all, because i am uneducated.

redDUST SG

not at all, because i am uneducated.

or eui, kow....chit puay!

kopiosatu SG

that person in the blog can call me a peasant for all i care

i'll just be uneducated and don't reply.

stupidissmart SG

So you are telling me that ALL questions are asked rightly such that exam strategies are not useful? In that case, NTU should rank even higher than NUS.

I am telling u tat if u ask the questions in a written examination well, exam strategies r not useful since no one can predict wat u r gonna ask. I am not saying NTU ask all the right questions in the exams. However can u tell me the people in the oral examination can ask all the right questions too ?

The underlined statements shows perfectly your mindset and your poor understanding of what is meant by oral examinations.

Theories are have no need to be worked out; I'm talking about testing of theories and facts all along, and not the working out of solutions. Working out of solutions is for the written examinations.

Testing of theories and facts can be done on written examination as well

Again, seems like you prefer an underkill than an overkill. I did not say those who do not do oral examinations means they are bad at defending their theories verbally. I'm saying that the NUS education system does not guarantee at all that every single graduate who do well with an A can defend their theories verbally. Maybe oral examinations cannot guarantee every single one too, but at the minimal, I'm confident enough that it can produce much more graduates who can.

The more important skills for an engineer or a research is to come out with the solution or write a world class research paper. Tat skill is adequately tested in written examinations. The only additional skill which is tested on the oral examination is probably presentation skill. And it is also trained during presentation of projects and communication skill.

eagle SG

Testing of theories and facts can be done on written examination as well

The questions asked in oral examinations pinpoint heavily on your uncertain portions. When the lecturer sense that you are unclear, he will ask more heavily on that portion. Can you tell me that any written examinations that do that?

And tell me, what exam strategies do you think that can apply to oral examinations? You can't skip questions; and you have to understand on the spot.

And are you still telling me that you prefer a graduate who come out not knowing fully everything as compared to one who knows more because he has been more rigourously tested?

Are you even an engineer or a researcher?

Uncertain SG

Even though I am a undergraduate, I will still say singapore undergraduates (mostly) only know how to talk cock but do nothing. Many of whom I met is really astonishing... they appear intellectual but inside empty one... best of all, they still think they are very smart...

Nevertheless, there are still good-grade students as well la, I did saw some talents in my course before which I have to say they are really good!

stupidissmart SG

And tell me, what exam strategies do you think that can apply to oral examinations? You can't skip questions; and you have to understand on the spot.

And are you still telling me that you prefer a graduate who come out not knowing fully everything as compared to one who knows more because he has been more rigourously tested?

As said, it becomes a subjective test. The lecturer always see tis guy attending his lectures and he will be more lenient towards him. The lecturer being tired and want to end the test quickly also will end up asking lesser questions. Tat is why most universities do not rely on oral examinations. Rigously tested ? So u r saying US university students r not rigously tested ? The idea of the oral examination is already an unfair test. As said before, written examination cannot skip questions too

Are you even an engineer or a researcher?

Yes. And your point is ?

Fatum SG

Oooooo ... such a sharp tongue .....

I'd like to do her. .. but alas ... I'm a peasant .... one that's not yet made good too ....

eagle SG

So you are telling me that the professors they employ are not professional?

In addition, there are two markers. Both will have to discuss on the marks and come to an agreement before giving a final grade.

written examination cannot skip questions too

Rubbish. If you do not know how to answer the question during oral examinations, there's no escape. You will be asked more and more on it.

If you do not know how to answer the question during written examinations, you can choose not to do.

Yes. And your point is ?

That's worse. Your mindset is extremely limited. No wonder you told me you are happy with your $2.5k monthly salary. That's rather sad for a NTU engineer

stupidissmart SG

So you are telling me that the professors they employ are not professional?

U mean the German professors ? It is not about professionalism. It is about human nature.

Rubbish. If you do not know how to answer the question during oral examinations, there's no escape. You will be asked more and more on it.

If you do not know how to answer the question during written examinations, you can choose not to do.

U do not answer the question in written exam, then u do not get the marks. There is no choosing

That's worse. Your mindset is extremely limited. No wonder you told me you are happy with your $2.5k monthly salary. That's rather sad for a NTU engineer

Why the personal insults

eagle SG

U mean the German professors ? It is not about professionalism. It is about human nature.

U do not answer the question in written exam, then u do not get the marks. There is no choosing

Why the personal insults

U mean the German professors ? It is not about professionalism. It is about human nature.

There are two markers. Both will have to discuss on the marks and come to an agreement before giving a final grade.

U do not answer the question in written exam, then u do not get the marks. There is no choosing

If you do not answer the question in oral examination, then the next few questions will specifically target that portion.

In written exams, you lose that few marks. In oral examinations, you can potentially lose more just because of that.

Thus, you have to be very very very clear on the module you are taking exams for.

Why the personal insults

That's my observations of you, derived especially from your view on education. I can only say I'm glad very little of my tuition students are like you.

stupidissmart SG

There are two markers. Both will have to discuss on the marks and come to an agreement before giving a final grade.

It is still a subjective test because the tester r seen and human factors come into play

If you do not answer the question in oral examination, then the next few questions will specifically target that portion.

In written exams, you lose that few marks. In oral examinations, you can potentially lose more just because of that.

Thus, you have to be very very very clear on the module you are taking exams f

Well then again it shows another problem with oral examination. It can overly emphasis too much on an area in the module. A person can know the rest of the subject well and get bogged down by a small detail and get penalised excessively. Is tat a fair assessment ?

That's my observations of you, derived especially from your view on education. I can only say I'm glad very little of my tuition students are like you.

I am glad u r not my tuition teacher when I am young because u can spew out insults based on limited knowledge

eagle SG

It is still a subjective test because the tester r seen and human factors come into play

I am glad u r not my tuition teacher when I am young because u can spew out insults based on limited knowledge

It is still a subjective test because the tester r seen and human factors come into play

So till now, you are still telling me you rather a graduate coming out without fully understanding the modules?

And if human factors are going to affect the results so much, you are still telling me that the lecturers employed are not professional?

I am glad u r not my tuition teacher when I am young because u can spew out insults based on limited knowledge

You are already an adult and a graduate, yet you hold such limited views, worse than that of younger kids.

It's no surprise why all my tuition students showed improvements of at least 3 grades so far; they do not think like you do.

stupidissmart SG

So till now, you are still telling me you rather a graduate coming out without fully understanding the modules?

And if human factors are going to affect the results so much, you are still telling me that the lecturers employed are not professional?

R u gonna tell me u understand every single bit of all your modules u have learned in the years of study ?

R u gonna tell me the professors have gone beyond human and human factors r not gonna affect them a bit ?

You are already an adult and a graduate, yet you hold such limited views, worse than that of younger kids.

It's no surprise why all my tuition students showed improvements of at least 3 grades so far; they do not think like you do.

Limited views ? I don't think disagreeing with u automatically place my views as "limiting".

eagle SG

R u gonna tell me u understand every single bit of all your modules u have learned in the years of study ?

R u gonna tell me the professors have gone beyond human and human factors r not gonna affect them a bit ?

Limited views ? I don't think disagreeing with u automatically place my views as "limiting". Based on wat can u say tat

R u gonna tell me u understand every single bit of all your modules u have learned in the years of study ?

No, because there's no need to do so to score during exams, and I have the strategies to do so.

R u gonna tell me the professors have gone beyond human and human factors r not gonna affect them a bit ?

Same question back to you. Are you gonna tell me that they are not professional and are going to let human factors significantly affect the results?

I mentioned that it won't affect "so much", and not that it won't "affect them a bit"

Limited views ? I don't think disagreeing with u automatically place my views as "limiting". Based on wat can u say tat

Base on you saying things like

written examination cannot skip questions too

and

The more important skills for an engineer or a research is to come out with the solution or write a world class research paper.

stupidissmart SG

No, because there's no need to do so to score during exams, and I have the strategies to do so.

So r u gonna claim the professors in NUS r so lousy they cannot set a proper exam for u ?

Same question back to you. Are you gonna tell me that they are not professional and are going to let human factors significantly affect the results?

I am gonna tell u tat it is inevitable human factors r gonna come in and significantly affect the result

written examination cannot skip questions too

Have u proved me wrong ? In a paper all the questions r compulsory and u cannot skip question

The more important skills for an engineer or a research is to come out with the solution or write a world class research paper.

And again isn't tat true ? Wat do u think an engineer more important job should be ?

eagle SG

So r u gonna the professors in NUS r so lousy they cannot set a proper exam for u ?

I am gonna tell u tat it is inevitable human factors r gonna come in and significantly affect the result

Have u proved me wrong ? In a paper all the questions r compulsory and u cannot skip question

And again isn't tat true ? Wat do u think an engineer more important job should be ?

So r u gonna the professors in NUS r so lousy they cannot set a proper exam for u ?

Yes. They can teach, but they are not good at setting exam papers. Not at all.

I'm the one who has experienced both sides of teaching. You are the one trying to say things based on your limited view of only experiencing the SG way of education

I am gonna tell u tat it is inevitable human factors r gonna come in and significantly affect the result

Well, go to Germany and tell that to the press. See if you get sued by their uni.

You might as well tell the SG government not to include oral examinations for Mother Tongue papers in O levels because "it is inevitable human factors r gonna come in and significantly affect the result".

Have u proved me wrong ? In a paper all the questions r compulsory and u cannot skip question

Read:

If you do not answer the question in oral examination, then the next few questions will specifically target that portion.

In written exams, you lose that few marks. In oral examinations, you can potentially lose more just because of that.

Thus, you have to be very very very clear on the module you are taking exams for.

And again isn't tat true ? Wat do u think an engineer more important job should be ?

The most important job is to serve and contribute to the community. Coming out with solutions is only part of the equation.

stupidissmart SG

Yes. They can teach, but they are not good at setting exam papers. Not at all.

Then tat is probably your exaiminer problem and not the system of written exams

Well, go to Germany and tell that to the press. See if you get sued by their uni.

You might as well tell the SG government not to include oral examinations for Mother Tongue papers in O levels because "it is inevitable human factors r gonna come in and significantly affect the result".

Based on your arguments, u can try going to US and say their exams sucks because there is no oral exams and see if u get supported or not

Then u should also tell the SG gov to have an oral exam for maths and science as well to be consistent with mother tongue

Thus, you have to be very very very clear on the module you are taking exams for.

I see tat u r not answering the point tat I had raised. I claimed written examination do not allow people to skip question and u tell me oral examiniation needs u to be very clear on the module u r taking. Wat is the link ?

The most important job is to serve and contribute to the community. Coming out with solutions is only part of the equation.

They serve and contribute BY coming out with solution and writing papers.

eagle SG

Then tat is probably your exaiminer problem and not the system of written exams

Based on your arguments, u can try going to US and say their exams sucks because there is no oral exams and see if u get supported or not

Then u should also tell the SG gov to have an oral exam for maths and science as well to be consistent with mother tongue

They serve and contribute BY coming out with solution and writing papers.

Then tat is probably your exaiminer problem and not the system of written exams

So either NUS (a local uni) is not as good you have claimed, or the system of written exams sucks. Choose one.

FYI, it's not only one examiner

Based on your arguments, u can try going to US and say their exams sucks because there is no oral exams and see if u get supported or not

Are you very sure all of their unis have no oral exams?

Then u should also tell the SG gov to have an oral exam for maths and science as well to be consistent with mother tongue

They should have it for science. Maths? Obviously you still do not know what is meant by theories and facts vs worked solutions.

Don't be dumb. Go and poll other forumers if what you have said is correct.

written examination cannot skip questions too

Few years ago, on the controversial PSLE questions to sum 1 to 99, there were people who said that those students should skip that question so as not to waste time if they dunno any fast method to do.

Now you tell me written examinations cannot skip questions. WOW.

They serve and contribute BY coming out with solution and writing papers.

I'm repeating this to you: What you have said it is only part of the equation.

Fatum SG

Ooooo .... Cheltenham Ladies College, Cambridge Uni ....

from the first, must be a rich girl ....... from the second ... must be a smart girl .....

wah ... power combi ...

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