Gopalan Nair in Singapore:Judge Belinda Ang's Kangaroo Court

mancha SG

quote from comment by Gerald Giam

"I once asked a former Supreme Court judge why the courts always ruled in favour of PAP ministers who were suing opposition members. His reply was that most of those cases should have never been brought to court.

Once they were, however, the judges had no choice but to judge according to the letter of the law, which in Singapore is very strict when it comes to defamation."

Besides the who, invention, fear...... there is also the context. Civil suits end up in court only as a last recourse. The first being settlement out of court. When that fails, then both parties goes to court.

In defamation suits, the defendent has the opportunity to make an offer of amends. If the offer of amends is accepted by the plaintiff, and duly performed, no proceedings may be continued by the plaintiff. That is what the judge meant. Once it goes to court, the letter of the law is applied.

In court the plaintiff must prove:

1. The words must be defamatory.

2. They must refer to the plaintiff.

3. They must be "maliciously" said.

The good judge always shakes his head, that the defendants choose to go to court. That what he meant when he said that those cases should never have been brought to court. Its the plaintiff right to sue, when he has a case. The defendant should assess his own position, and not expect the plaintiff to give "chance lah".

Atobe SG

First world western countries also arrest bloggers which made racists

remarks etc

I quote the case are not to defend SG 's arrests,past or

present or future.Just to remind u that what the real world are.

Like LKY said many years ago,no need to tell me how to arrange

furniture in my home,eg let me run my own country.

http://www.lutononsunday.com/lutononsunday-news/displayarticle.asp?id=306589

U are the Judge what kind a blogger Nair is

I invite u to read Gopalan Nair blogs again,at least in the past 6 months.

Is He just a blogger--next--door?

Will a ordinary blogger called for killing of LKY

A..by bombing his private residence

B..flys a plane from Seletar and crush on the house

HE WAS NOT IN MAKING JOKES.

There are many things he had propsed.It is unfair

for me to comment here.

Read at least 30 of Nair'sarticles then come back and talk.

NO RESEARCH.NO DISCUSSION.

In your feverish efforts to support and defend the Great Mentor's position, are you not making similar errors as the clueless 'Point_blank' character in allowing yourself to be a 'bastardised' version of the Great Mentor ?

Have you not considered that Goapalan Nair was actually responding to the call from the Singapore Government to remain engage with Singapore even if they have left our shores.

Did you confuse yourself with the US Laws that give the Bloggers their rights to free expressions, as much as those liberties do not threaten, instigate malice or violence that will impinge on the Civil Rights of others ?

Such regulations are quite different from the Singapore Laws that prevent anyone identifiable individual from making an honest criticism to the political envirnment which they live in.

‘Increasing the Citizens’ mindshare in e-Engagement’

Under the e-Government Action Plan II, infocomm technologies had enabled both local and overseas citizens to stay connected and engaged with Singapore. Accessing public information, participating in public policy consultations and providing feedback to Government can now all be done online with ease. Our iGov2010 efforts will continue to complement existing non-electronic service delivery initiatives and take the Government-citizen relationship to the next level, one where citizens are actively engaged in the policy-making process.

To achieve these, online information need to be clear and useful and presented in a vibrant and interesting manner. The Singapore Government Online Portal www.gov.sg – the gateway to all Government information and e-services - will have an improved look-and-feel, better content search facilities and clearer presentation of information on Government policies and services. For example, illustrations and bite-size video snippets could be used to bring across messages in a more vivid manner. In addition, the effectiveness and appeal of online Government channels need to be enhanced to attract citizens to participate in online exchanges and provide feedback to the Government.

We will also provide separate consultation spaces for Businesses, Youths and Overseas Singaporeans in the Government’s one-stop, interactive Online Consultation Portal for national issues and policy proposals (www.feedback.gov.sg).

These spaces will focus on the dialogues, themes and consultations which are of concern and interest to the respective groups. For example, a business does not have to comb through the entire slew of consultation papers to determine if they are relevant to the business. Correspondingly, it will also be easier for public agencies to hear views coming from the different segments.

Besides engaging citizens in policy-making and reviews, online channels will also be leveraged to foster greater bonding within different communities such as youths. The Youth Portal, Youth.sg, set up in 25th February 2006, is a first stop resource portal for community participation, and a virtual space for young Singaporeans who want to make a difference to the people around them. Youth.sg offers young Singaporeans easy access to information on how to start their own community activities, as well as information on initiatives that fellow youth are engaged in.

(This was first published in The Star on June 7, 2008)

As was mentioned in the article included in my response dated 8 June 2008 - 02.25AM on Page 8 of this Thread - the author Gerald Chan put it very succintly in his remarks:

Does that mean that if — heaven forbid — the judiciary really becomes corrupt and partisan, Singaporeans would be sent to jail if they question its integrity?

Troy437 SG

Have you not considered that Goapalan Nair was actually responding to the call from the Singapore Government to remain engage with Singapore even if they have left our shores ?

Engage in this manner? No thanks!

Atobe SG

Engage in this manner? No thanks!

It takes all kinds in this World to make it an interesting place - as was challenged by MM LKY - when he was similarly constrained by the Malaysian Federal Government:-

"Let us get down to fundamentals. Is this an open, or is this a closed society? Is it a society where men can preach ideas - novel, unorthodox, heresies, to established churches and established governments - where there is a constant contest for men's hearts and minds on the basis of what is right, of what is just, of what is in the national interests, or is it a closed society where the mass media - the newspapaers, the journals, publications, TV, radio - either bound by sound or by sight, or both sound and sight, men's minds are fed with a constant drone of sycophantic support for a particular orthodox political philosophy?" - Lee Kuan Yew Dec 18, 1964 Malaysian Parliamentary Debates

Troy437 SG

It takes all kinds in this World to make it an interesting place - as was challenged by MM LKY - when he was similarly constrained by the Malaysian Federal Government:-

Yes, and he is a Singapore Citizen, staying in Singapore, and he took the challenges in Singapore to make things interesting for Singapore.

Atobe SG

Yes, and he is a Singapore Citizen, staying in Singapore, and he took the challenges in Singapore to make things interesting for Singapore.

Are you now stating that Gopalan Nair did not return to Singapore in response to the Government call to overseas Singaporean to stay engage with Singapore ?

Gopalan Nair may have taken it literally and return to Singapore to engage the PAP and expose the shiny facade created.

If you had read the text of LKY's call for more political space - he had even cry out for tolerance to include anyone who will even preach heresies.

Gopalan Nair has already exposed the true colors of the Mentor, who had so diligently covered his skin tones that became darker as he aged.

lionnoisy SG

In your(lionnoisy) feverish efforts to support and defend the Great Mentor's position, are you not making similar errors as the clueless 'Point_blank' character in allowing yourself to be a 'bastardised' version of the Great Mentor ?

Have you not considered that Goapalan Nair was actually responding to the call from the Singapore Government to remain engage with Singapore even if they have left our shores.

Such regulations are quite different from the Singapore Laws that prevent anyone identifiable individual from making an honest criticism to the political envirnment which they live in.

As was mentioned in the article included in my response dated 8 June 2008 - 02.25AM on Page 8 of this Thread - the author Gerald Chan put it very succintly in his remarks:

1.SG gavaman call for Singaporean to remain engage ,not foreigners.

2.I think US laws not allowing any one to ask other pple to bomb

White House or put a bomb near it.

3.How many bolgs of Nair have u read?

I think u have yet to read these blogs.

Nair called for pple to drive a aeroplane from Seletar and crash into

Oxley Rd.I cant find it now.Another one,he just stated it in the first

sentence.Do u think he already exceed the limit of freedom

of expressions of SG and US laws?

How about we replace LKY by Bush or Oxley Rd by White House?

Do u think FBI would mark him?

NAIR CONSISTENTLY,SYSTEMATCIALLY,AND REGULARRLY

CALLS FOR UP RISINGS AGAINST GOVERNMENT

OF REPULIC OF SINGAPORE.

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/03/i-wish-every-day-that-someone-murdered.html

29.03.2008

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Listen to this. Even I had wished every day, that someone would please drop a ten ton Weapon of Mass Destruction over the house of Lee Kuan Yew in No. 1 Oxley Road, Singapore and killed them all instantly; Lee Kuan Yew and all, dictators all of them; turning them into roast flesh; still I am not guilty under the law! Indeed I will rejoice and pop a bottle of Dom Perignon 1959 and party all night!

jojobeach SG

1.SG gavaman call for Singaporean to remain engage ,not foreigners.

2.I think US laws not allowing any one to ask other pple to bomb

White House or put a bomb near it.

3.How many bolgs of Nair have u read?

I think u have yet to read these blogs.

Nair called for pple to drive a aeroplane from Seletar and crash into

Oxley Rd.I cant find it now.Another one,he just stated it in the first

sentence.Do u think he already exceed the limit of freedom

of expressions of SG and US laws?

How about we replace LKY by Bush or Oxley Rd by White House?

Do u think FBI would mark him?

NAIR CONSISTENTLY,SYSTEMATCIALLY,AND REGULARRLY

CALLS FOR UP RISINGS AGAINST GOVERNMENT

OF REPULIC OF SINGAPORE.

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/03/i-wish-every-day-that-someone-murdered.html

29.03.2008

Yah lah.. people tell you to go eat shyt.. you got go eat shyt anot ?

Use your blain lah.

lionnoisy SG

Yah lah.. people tell you to go eat shyt.. you got go eat shyt anot ?

Use your blain lah.

my brain is very small.I know copy and paste more than writing and

thinking...

Here is another evidence of our US citizens thinkings

My dear Mr. Lee, stop trying to fool Singaporeans. They are not as stupid as you think. Just as I am innocent of any crime even though I pray every day that someone would fly that very plane with explosives and crash it over your head;

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

will anyone with bigger brain tell me if there is any problem in this blog ?

eagle SG

my brain is very small.I know copy and paste more than writing and

thinking...

Here is another evidence of our US citizens thinkings

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

will anyone with bigger brain tell me if there is any problem in this blog ?

my brain is very small.I know copy and paste more than writing and

thinking...

This is already a known fact. Nothing new

eagle SG

my brain is very small.I know copy and paste more than writing and

thinking...

Here is another evidence of our US citizens thinkings

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

will anyone with bigger brain tell me if there is any problem in this blog ?

my brain is very small.I know copy and paste more than writing and

thinking...

This is already a known fact. Nothing new

lionnoisy SG

Gavaman can tolerate u throw stone or eggs openly on her face,

to a certain entend.But i think she cant tolerate if u throw behind

a wall,under a cover of foreign citizenship!!She will return with

a durian,a big one.

Everyone patiences has a limit,right?

Observer and Player

Where is the limit?

CSJ and Nair writings--who is more with Seditious tendency?

how would u compare them?

The Act states that if u want to tell gavaman that she need to improve,

thats all right.

(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), any act, speech, words, publication or other thing shall not be deemed to be seditious by reason only that it has a tendency —(a) to show that the Government has been misled or mistaken in any of its measures;(b) to point out errors or defects in the Government or the Constitution as by law established or in legislation or in the administration of justice with a view to the remedying of such errors or defects;(c) to persuade the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore to attempt to procure by lawful means the alteration of any matter in Singapore; or(d) to point out, with a view to their removal, any matters producing or having a tendency to produce feelings of ill-will and enmity between different races or classes of the population of Singapore, if such act, speech, words, publication or other thing has not otherwise in fact a seditious tendency.

BUT NOT

3. —(1) A seditious tendency is a tendency —(a) to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against the Government;(b) to excite the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore to attempt to procure in Singapore, the alteration, otherwise than by lawful means, of any matter as by law established;(c) to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against the administration of justice in Singapore;(d) to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore;(e) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore.

eagle SG

Both CSJ and AndrewPKYap throw stones and eggs openly

How come only CSJ got charged?

Gutentaginator SG

this forum is known in Germany.

But maybe it is not well advertised such that most of your countryman are not aware of it and the officials are not as concerned as it is with other sites like sammyboy and Mr Brown ?

jojobeach SG

my brain is very small.I know copy and paste more than writing and

thinking...

Here is another evidence of our US citizens thinkings

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

will anyone with bigger brain tell me if there is any problem in this blog ?

You think there's a problem with this

A."My dear Mr. Lee, stop trying to fool Singaporeans."

This.....

B." They are not as stupid as you think." or this

C. " I pray every day that someone would fly that very plane with explosives and crash it over your head." ?

A and B is nothing wrong mah.. Infact.. many Singaporean also think like that wat.

As for C , it amounts to nothing but cursing mah. Is cursing a crime ?

IF cursing is a crime, then many of us deserves to go to jail lor ???

Then, you make a mountain outa a mole hill.. is that a crime too ?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Originally posted by makepeace:

Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

bans TV drama serices & interviews

glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

ban TV programmes .Right?

U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

are so hot there.Right?

u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

respectively,were interviewed.

Its damn interesting that this news was under

Entertainment section!!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

in www.yahoo.com.au

6.Questions

A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

is still on?

B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

i dunt expect the there are so many details about

Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?

Eh lionnoisy until now you still haven't replied....

Who REALLY wrote this?

Evangel SG

The opposition are all very smart people, but not smart enough. The media just like to make them look and sound stupid.

If you are not confident of winning, why destroy yourself? Why walk into a trap? I guess Gopalan is too bored in America haha...If he is looking for justice, he would not be able to find it. Maybe some sympathies... Lives destroyed under the law, really sad.

I can say that he writes very well, how i wish i can write essays like him haha...nothing less from an outstanding lawyer whom MM Lee views as one of the greatest political threat.

eagle SG

this forum is known in Germany.

But maybe it is not well advertised such that most of your countryman are not aware of it and the officials are not as concerned as it is with other sites like sammyboy and Mr Brown ?

Bist du aus Deutschland?

PRP SG

When the govt openly uses public fund on estate upgrading for the interests of the ruling party and discritmating against opp. wards,can u expect .......

lionnoisy SG

Nair claimed in Jan 2005 that he had lost cases and clients

since he joined Opposition cases.Therefore he left SG.

Also,he claimed he was granted political asylum in US!!

1.He needs to ask Chiam See Tong how he can survive in laws

practice for 3 decades since early 1980 as Opposition Party.

Chaim could send daughter overseas to study.

Chiam's SDP got 3 seats,before the PhD Chee outsted Chiam!!

2.Political Asylum was so easy to get?

If Nair really was granted political asylum in US?

http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/classic/speakup.php

''Why I left Singapore

14 January 2005

GOPALAN NAIR
Attorney at Law
Fremont, California''

He seemed looking for biz there.

Had he applied or granted for US citizenship when he posted this?

He said he was US citizenship ''as of'' 2005.

3.When was Nair granted US citizenship?

He claimed:

''I am an American Citizen as of 2005.''

http://www.singaporedissident.blogspot.com/

He is really a lawyer for over 20 years.He knows

how to play words.He WAS US citizen in 2005.

But he did not tell us when he was granted US citizenship.

There may be a time lap between he was granted and he

the time he took up the citizenship.

QUESTIONS TO GOPALAN NAIR

So,can SDP ask Nair to clarify and post the answers on SDP site

when he was granted and he really took up US citizenship?

Was he really granted political asylum and on what grounds?

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