More lionnoisy pwnage:
Originally posted by
lionnoisy:
If i am wrong,tx for your amendment.I copy from Jane's Fighting
Ships 07/08....
pl be reminded that our Coast Guard just tasked to catch II
,pirates,illegal fishing boats(SG have not claimed EEZ)etc
. our terrority water just 3 nm...
SG CG IS NOT navy.They are not ,as their counter part in Oz,
expected to fight with invading enemy navy.
No need to remind us how powerful of weapons
in Oz Patrol Boats.But I pity the PB crews that they
,in your valuable views,have to fight with enemy naval
ships with their 25mm guns.
Do u think enemy naval ships,sailing from thousand
of miles away,just equipped with small guns to
fight with Oz PB ?
Oz coast line is about 18,000 km.
If any poor Oz PB need support,what is the chance that
OZ 8 surface combatant
ships(frigates),2 ''most powerful conventional subs'' and 9
PB
(equipped with 25 mm gun and ''one 25mm round will destroy
terror boat with one hit'',but not enemy naval ship!!)
which are on station in any day,happen
to be around ?What is the chance that the help can reach in ,say
within 1 hour ?
Dunt mix up the role of Navy and CG!
It is becos OZ do not get CG!!
THats why navy is tasked with CG jobs!!
The rebuttal:
Yawn, your latest reply is rambling in circles, you state facts
that had you bothered to think a bit more beyond the surface, would
have answered your own criticisms.
I like the way you invent some points as well.
Did I say that or did you invent it because you failed your
english comprehension?
Let me remind you then to exercise basic english
comprehension.
note a keyword:
COIN
TERROR
This lionnoisy fantasy situtation of PVs going to
face heavy naval combatants would only happen if the RAN
had your kind of thinking, the same kind of thinking that have you
wanting to launch F-18s off LHDs 
Unfortunately for you, the RAN has far more common sense meaning
your point is invalid.
The RAN PVs are dedicated to the role of facing the threat that
hit the USS Cole, as well as other smaller threats on which a heavy
surface combatant would be a waste of resources. The RAN is not
going to use them to fight an heavy combatant just because they are
in the navy.
Just because you use your limited command of the language and
put words together does not mean your poorly-thought out fantasy
scenarios are going to happen.
You seem to have this fantasy that a fleet of multi thousand ton
ships can just teleport out of nowhere across thousands of miles of
ocean and surprise the Australian navy without getting picked
up by radar or sonar or other forms of sensors when such a journey
will take days and leave plentry of time to get detected and
having actions taken by the right kind of naval unit
long before they even come close to Australian waters.
What that can suddenly happen anyday is the small, terror
suicide boat that the PV is designed to handle that our current
navy and coastguard cannot effectively, an Iowa class battleship is
not going to "anyday, happen to be around". You might as well say
15,000 enemy tanks "anyday, happen to be around" Orchird road.
This is not surprising given your inline skates, F-18s off
LHDs and crashing Fantail ideas all defy good common sense.
Going by your logic, you might as well say that our Primus is
useless and has no role because it is totally defenceless if
an MBT suddenly teleported next to it and the closest help is too
far away.
Going by your logic you might as well say we shouldn't have
people doing guard duty because all they have is a SAR-21 and 5
rounds because what if a Gundam suddenly show up?
Going by your logic, you might as well say we have to use
Leopard 2s to do guard duty
Your idea of a PV having to face an enemy fleet is pure
fantasy. Such an action would be picked up days before they have
even entered into Australian waters and dealt out with far out in
the Ocean via the Collins or Frigates. In fact the things that do
slip through and get close are those small terror/smuggler vessels
that don't show up on radar until too late. This is what they have
the PVs for.
Unlike you, the RAN knows what unit to pit against what unit.
The Fearless class PV with all the wrong weapons, as well as our
short-ranged Police Coastguards armed with old 20mm cannons in a
few ships and mainly GPMGs will be far less capable of in the
COIN/terror ops as the modern, sea-state 5 capable, 25mm stabilized
deck mounted autocannons.
So what? You think the terrorist suicide craft is going to care
if your are Police Coast guard or not? Do you think they are going
to surrender just because you have some WW1 20mm cannon and mostly
GPMGs?
Note that our vital installations like Jurong Island or Changi
Naval base still have to be protected? By who? Our limited numbers
of Fearless class that are not even suited for the role with the
clunky weapons loadout? By our police coast guard who is armed just
with manually operated WW1 20mm cannons and GPMGs?
You seem to have this inability to use good common sense about
anything, which is no surprise you think the RAN are going to make
bad choices... because you think they have YOUR kind of ideas
You are just playing on labels, nothing you said changes the
fact that the Aussies still have a more capable COIN/terror
platform then us. And nothing changes the fact that despite the
lame idea you are trying to push on them, they're not going to use
their PVs to fight heavy combatants, even if those fictional
lionnoisy ships can cross thousands of miles of ocean in one hour
without being detected and spring up beside a PV.
And going by your label-playing logic, are you saying our Air
Force is mixing up the roles because we use the RSAF to ferry our
troops around while the US Army they have their own air wing
to fly their troops in helicopters and let the USAF concentrate on
the air war?
Of course, going by your logic of needing to cover
each and every 18,000 km of coastline then Australia needs
somewhat like 300 ships daily patrolling it's water costing
billions to operate, a force that can rival and exceed even the
USN.
LOL, you not only failed to comprehend that your arguments have
been totally destroyed, but it seems your poor comprehension of my
points have led you to make arguments that only backfired on
yourself.
Work on your ERD (English Ready Days) first before you make your
next move
