Sydney is very pricey & no public house,a SG just found out

last SG · 2008-07-29T18:11:12+00:00

I think the above report is a bit different from wat I observe. People r still trying to find HDB flats rather than private housing because the price is much...

lionnoisy SG

Thanks for valuable info of Oz welfare.

How about 9.25 % high interest rate which will eat

into the higher salary and welfare .compared with SG.

How about the seldom talked about hidden social costs

(i am sure your frens and relatives already there dunt talk

about it,especially bikers gangs)

----seriuos drugs problems

----gangster,eg bikers gang

----corruptions,(this is related to the above evils,......)

Tell me how the Bali 9 gang can smuggle drugs through Brisbane

airport to Bali regularly.The plots was blown when

the bribery money for Indonesia officails ,

disappeared from the bag containing drugs.

http://www.expressadvocate.com.au/article/2008/07/18/6351_news.html

50 live rifles shot welcome the new owner!!never appear in SG news.

July 29, 2008,

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/4834436/assistant-commissioner-charged

3.I can bet the roots of corruptions are deeper and wider

in the recent years...

The corruptions culture are very hard to change,leading to

drugs and gangsters .

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/dad-paid-off-askin-and-lent-packer-money/2008/07/27/1217097059696.html

The son of a king--gang lord who even could bribe NSW Premier

and a police commissioner!!

THE disgraced former Liberal (NSW)premier Bob Askin was not only on the payroll of the late crime boss Abe Saffron, but was the recipient of payments via horse races that were fixed as "a courtesy to premier Askin".

Askin and a police commissioner were among those who received thousands of dollars a week from Saffron, the crime figure's son has confirmed in a book on his father, to be released soon.

Mostwanted5125 SG

what he is presenting is just one side of the story, but the high amount u pay for comes back to u in the form of pension when u are old, AusStudy for your children and unemployment benefits. AUD 400 K for a house is subjective as the property market over there rises and drops ...But u will own the home for life and he doesnt have to pay his whole life too. His children may be paying the remainder after him. So what is he complaining about?

I am still in favour of the Aussie system. its a system that takes from u initially but gives u when u are in need yourself. But why did he have to choose Sydney?... There are other places around which are dirt cheap like Adelaide ect...

He is new to Aus. Intially such gripes are normal and common, but as time goes by he wll realise that he will like it there...As always he can earn a high income there and buy a home in singapore too...stick to rental while he is in Aus.

And what work is he doing is not stated too...If he can move to Aus, means i presume he is a highly skilled person.

I am survivng in Melbourne on $700 per month, and i am earning lots per month.. I still have a hige disposable income myself. as always there will be people like him who do comparisons to singapore on the minor details and lose out seeing the big picture. In Aus, everything from education to working always see things with regard to the big picture, unlike in Singapore.

Things that he can find in AUS not found in Singapore:

Austudy for children

subsidised Medical care

subsidised Tertiary study

Old age payments - Very Important

Landed home for 400K - Good value compared to Singapore's 1.2 million landed properties

Cheap car - very important and perfectly better than in singapore

better work opportunities - Very important

Just continue to stay in ur paradise...Australia....and stop bragging about the fallicies of how good Australia is here.

Melbournite SG

someone mentioned Australia in debt. i am not sure about this but even if it is true Yeah so what, so is the US in debt..But at least their main priority of a goverment;s duty to its citizens is not ignored, even if they are in debt....But one things for sure:

Those governments know this world is farked and they dont play kow tow to the world. Instead they are keeping their citizens well. their problem with national debt is not due to their fault, it is the fault of the rest of the world likethe flawed US dollar system, energy crisis, food crisis ect. U cant really solve them . The best thing u can do is instead of playing accomodating to the world economy, be accomodating to the citizens instead as the very fabric of the nation are them.

Melbournite SG

someone mentioned the centrelink payments (social security) , u can easily pay off your home payments with it as u get at least $500 for AusStudy for 2 weeks. I think its also adjusted for inflation as well.

One o fmy neighbours, a young guy studying in a AUS Uni gets $1000 for a month and he pays $440 for rent and he still has $560 left. He pays a $1000 per semester for fees for the Uni course. Upoun graduation if he cant find a job, he approaches the govt for help for job placement Compare this with singapore tertiary students who still depend on parents or loan to fianance their studies and still need to pay $5000 + every semester, and no guarantee of a job after graduation. Further more, they cant get into Uni easily in the first place. So many factors working against them already.

And that aus guy has the option for working for cash in jobs as well which means he takes centrelink payments and earns an income himself without official records.

Btw Australia has been giving pur social security for over two decades already. Did that make them bankrupt?

Melbournite SG

agreed

if the statement is true,

Many cities in the world have
high costs of living, but in Singapore
we have world-class infrastructure
and facilities at relatively
reasonable prices. It is no
wonder that many foreigners
want to settle in Singapore.

why is the authur even considering settling in Sydney?

Name one group of foreigners who want to settle in Singapore

while its true that indons, banglas and PRCs flock to Singapore to work, they have no intentions of settling here

You wil be surprised how many of these people are aiming for Australia and other countries where there is a shortage of manual labour and they get at $18-$22 per hour for the work.

Its a sad truth but they are using easy to enter singapore to gain work expereince before getting that golden 5 years that Aus needs

maurizio13 SG

And that aus guy has the option for working for cash in jobs as well which means he takes centrelink payments and earns an income himself without official records.

Btw Australia has been giving pur social security for over two decades already. Did that make them bankrupt?

There's a difference between a government that cares for it's citizens and one whose only desire is to fleece more from them, though Australia has more sheeps, but Singaporeans are the ones being fleeced.

The irony!

Melbournite SG

1) Australians don't make the kind of salaries Singaporeans make, they make 3 to 4 times that Singaporeans. So, don't use Singapore pay to live in Australia, it's foolish. Likewise when we visit countries like US, Japan, Europe, etc; Why do we feel that everything is expensive there, whereas citizens living there feel it's priced affordably. They get more salary than you.

2) There is some credibility issues with the author saying that rice and bread is double that of Singapore. In a free market economy (with no customs, taxes & restrictions), the price of a commodity must only have one price, else arbitrage opportunities exisit to bring the price to a common price.

Take the 10 kg Housebrand Jasmine Rice in Australia's Woolworth, it's priced at AUD18.34 (SGD23.84 @ AUD1 = SGD1.3), it's around SGD11.92 for a 5kg bag of rice. The price of First Choice 5kg Thai Rice is going for SGD13.20 at Cold Storage.

But take meat and milk for example, meat & milk is a whole lot cheaper than in Singapore. Australia has cattle farming, whereas Singapore has none, with the inclusion of shipping cost, the milk in Singapore has to be more expensive than Australia.

Pura Whole Milk in Woolsworth sells for AUD2.15 per litre (SGD2.80 @ AUD1 = SGD1.3), whereas Pura Whole Milk in Cold Storage sells for SGD3.40.

Australian Beef Shin Steak in Woolsworth cost AUD4.08 per 400gm (SGD13.26 per kilogram @ AUD1 = SGD1.3), whereas in Cold Storage Australian Shin Beef cost SGD33.10 per kilogram.

So, I question the credibility of the author and the intelligence of the TS in posting such a thread with no understanding of the principles of "Law of One Price". TS should exercise the use of his brains once in a while. If I produce beef in my house, will the cost to you (if you live in Jurong and me in Pasir Ris) be cheaper or will it be cheaper if I sell it to my neighbour. Singapore produces maybe 1% of food products, whereas Australia is a major producer of food products.

I thought I trashed out all these issues about cost of products and law of one price with lionnoisy in an earlier thread regarding more disposable income in Australia (despite having higher tax rates) than Singapore. Apparently he hasn't learnt anything from it.

www.coldstorage.com.sg

Australia can feed its whole population if there are no problems like the drought ect...In reality u are paying for food because of the labour cost in bringing the food to your table.

A country with natural resources is better than one with none.

maurizio13 SG

Australia can feed its whole population if there are no problems like the drought ect...In reality u are paying for food because of the labour cost in bringing the food to your table.

A country with natural resources is better than one with none.

Autarky.

Melbournite SG

Thats is because you were made to believe that Singapore CPF system is flawed and that our month CPF contribution is similar to the income tax you are paying in australia. However the main difference is that CPF monies are part of our saving which we can use to pay off our mortgages and that itself will put us ahead of the high spending low saving australians who are paying 9.25% of interest.

Australians has got to thank their fore fathers for stealing the vast piece of land from the aborigine thats why they can now enjoy the wide open space in Australia. However as you have highlighted, when there is no proper control on the property and urband development such as public housing, the poor will get shifted out to far away land (like you have mentioned in your last para) that is poorly connected by public transport, while the rich will get to live by the nice sydney habour.

As for Singapore, we need proper planning to enjor racial harmony and better utilization of land. Plus we also ensure that Singaporeans living in 4 corners of the islands are well connected by clean, comfortable and affordable public transport system.

Are u sure?. When things get out of hand , there are lots of finger pointing and some commission of authorithy body will step in and file charges against unscruplous business men who do price fixing and against the laws of Aus

generally, u are free to do watever u want but be honest in Australia cause the lawsuits arent cheap over here. And there are many civil rights campainging bodies here whom u can make a complaint to.

Melbournite SG

The irony!

Australia gives much respect to its environment and nature. thats the first sign of a truly developed nation in terms of ethics. But in singapore, humans themselves dont get the rights Australian animals , flora and fauna gets.

Melbournite SG

Btw in Australia, its better to do a job than live on centrelink as u can earn so much higher and enjoy more material comfort.

eagle SG

Btw in Australia, its better to do a job than live on centrelink as u can earn so much higher and enjoy more material comfort.

I heard a few years back that Germans can get about 300 euros a month as unemployment benefit for the first 3 months... A local told me the same thing... Damn hard to live on 300 euros a month... Much better to go out to find a job.

In Singapore, if you are very poor, and you suddenly get fired, is there any help you can get in the first one or two months before you find another job?

Melbournite SG

In Singapore, if you are very poor, and you suddenly get fired, is there any help you can get in the first one or two months before you find another job?

check that figure carefully, the main purpose of unemployment benefit is to make sure your basic expenses are covered. if the payment doesnt cover them, then it defeats that purpose

The idea of a low amount of benefit payment is to make u go out and work so that u can earn more

will4 SG

In Singapore, if you are very poor, and you suddenly get fired, is there any help you can get in the first one or two months before you find another job?

I think it is understandable as the reason majority of foreign professional refused to change to local citizenship.

Quincey SG

To each his own really, no point squabbling over something as subjective as which is a better place to live. If one loves the Singapore system, go ahead and jump on the fast train, but if one likes the laid back, western liberal system in Australia, then go ahead and indulge yourselves.

I think we should vent our disdains upon improving the systems we are currently living under, I belief be it Australia or Singapore, each has it own sets of problems we ourselves as residents can identify with.

O o O SG

A country with natural resources is better than one with none.

Exactly, so just make sure you take advantage of the resources and not just seat on the side line admiring and telling us what others are making. If you dont their wealth might just bring more inflationary pressure to your neighbourhood and push you to the rural side of town.

O o O SG

I think it is understandable as the reason majority of foreign professional refused to change to local citizenship.

but surprisingly we do have PR like yourself serving the national service when we all know that Singapore is not your home.

Melbournite SG

and that guy chose to go Sydney when there are lots of low population areas the govt wants u to tak residence

fishbuff1 SG

do they have NS forced army conscription there?
do they have non-performing and arrogant million dollar ministers there?
do they have rules that aussies can only draw their CPF after 85 years old?
do they heck care their old, sick and poor?
do they stifle the democracy and freedom among their citizens?

money? is it the ultimate measure of one success? has Gilbert still gullible from the singaporean way of materialism?

O o O SG

Yes, we dont not sent our kids to be killed in a stupid Iraqi war

Yes, we dont have a PM who patronized strip clubs

Yes, Singaporeans have higher saving rate as compared to Australians, beside that our mortgage interest is only about 1/3 of what australians are paying

Yes, Singaporeans are living longer and healthier than australians and no old, sick and poor Singaporeans are left unattended by Singapore world class hospital

Yes, we believe our current hybrid democracy work best for our country and we have track record to prove it.

Yes, Australians are victim of consumerism and thats why they and the country are all heavily in debted.

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