ERP? Aren't COEs meant to check car population?

last SG · 2008-07-07T19:42:59+00:00

... yea check car population my arse...!... wait till their intended population of over 6 million is reached, no amount of ERP charges and or gantries or CO...

guitarman1 SG

Gahment don't wanna look bad by restricting COE from the start so they make excuse by saying they reduce up front cost of cars so that car become more 'accessible' to the masses.... but later when buy liao, found out that fuel and ERP etc... are super chor, but they cannot blame gahment.. Cuz its your own choice to buy.

Must do you sums properly, plan ahead... blah blah blah... basically shifting the responsibility to us. That's true in some sense though; its our own responsibility to decide if we can afford it.

I rather have a choice to decide whether I want to buy car or not then to have so few COE that even if I want to buy, I might not be able to get.

I think I have the best solution; leave COE as it is and leave ERP as it is, but make getting driving/taxi license sibeh hard and only for good drivers, not like all those kayu crap out there. Confirm traffic immediately lessen by 60-70% :D

In this way, ppl cant complain about price and availability of ERP/COE etc... its because of their own poor skill! :D Good idea?

charlize SG

Increasing GST is to help the poor.

So ERPs and COEs work on a somewhat similar concept.

Yes, I know.

Mee siam mai hum.

Kuali Baba SG

The number of COEs released depends on the number of vehicles that are deregistered or scrapped, but they should have slowed down the growth of the vehicle population using that long ago.

youyayu SG

Increasing GST is to help the poor.

So ERPs and COEs work on a somewhat similar concept.

Yes, I know.

Mee siam mai hum.

zzz.. that sentence is like..

Last time i damn rich pay million of taxes.. Suddenly i no money.. knn give me money like enough for can food nia.. =.=

charlize SG

zzz.. that sentence is like..

Last time i damn rich pay million of taxes.. Suddenly i no money.. knn give me money like enough for can food nia.. =.=

Oh stop it.

I lost you at zzz .

Really.

Lin Yu SG

if raising GST can help the poor, what else cannot be done

caleb_chiang SG

Hmm... where do you think their salaries came from???

Spartans SG

Here is my theory.

Remember when e gahman mentioned ERP is not meant as a mean of revenue? The reduction in Additional vehicle tax is more than the revenue by ERP.

But remember my fellow Singaporeans, PAP are a far-sighted party.

They reckon that vehicle growth in Singapore is in no doubt going to slow down, resulting in lower revenue from Additional vehicle tax.

On the same time, they know they can increase the number of ERP gantries and the gantries fees incessantly whenever the traffic 'becomes more congested'. In this way, sooner than later, the revenue ERP is going to significantly exceed the loss of revenue from lower Additional vehicle tax. And note the vicious cycle: When traffic slows down, ERP rates increase, traffic slows down again, ERP rate increase again, and so...

WOW lot of money for the gahman...

bizzkit0102 SG

Anyone who believes that ERP is meant to control traffic volume is either severely delusional or just pacifying him/herself in a futile manner or a dog.

There is only 1 purpose of the ERP, and that is to fatten all the MPs (money people) pockets!!!

Oh on a sidenote, all governments in the world are corrupt, including Singapore's. Difference is while other country ministers do it under table, try to be as discreet as possible, Singapore is the opposite. They siphon money from us openly, such as through the ERP. Then have super high salaries. It is like they are telling us: See, we are being corrupt for all of you peasants to see and you weaklings are just going to let us get away with it. Like spitting on our faces. A random thought...

Fantagf SG

Anything relating to cars are easy target for profit making by the government.

Gutentaginator SG

I am amazed by singaporeans competency in supporting policies.

Without you, there is no singapore.

Uniquely singapore is created. Unique also in the form of democracy.

I wonder why NO ERP for CAUSEWAY traffic that is always so packed with motorists who contribute a lot of air pollution in terms of pollution per sq ft area.

Why no ERP for causeway areas?

I am sure the LTA will do what is good for your country - implement even more ERP. I heard many pipes are already in the pipeline :) (forgive me the pun which was intended) The more the better , up to a point. Else why are new ERPs and price hikes implemented to benefit you the singaporeans? If its bad how could it have been implemented over and over again and you singaporeans are ok with it, by buying more cars even when you cannot afford it? Lured by zero-money down deals? I thought singaporeans are smart right? So, I must be missing something.

Singaporeans are so smart - if new ERP implemented and drivers use small roads or routes to bypass the new ERP causing new traffic congestion, a new ERP can be IMPLEMENTED ! All up to the LTA and related peoples. So wonderful! Singapore has so many highly paid talents! But these geniuses could surely never have succeeded without you, the Singaporeans

who helped in a big big way to ensure that they succeed.

What can I say? Good for you Singaporeans? Well done, once again.

Hoping to visit Singapore one day soon and study the psychology of singaporeans who are so unique that I am constantly amazed. Kudos!

dinky1409 SG

MRT - hardly get seats..

TAXIS - want to get taxi aso difficult.. even i call also cannot get.. so expensive smore

CARS - ERPs just killed me

BUS - Slow..

wassap man... knn

eagle SG

Yes, COEs are meant to check car population

But who ever said ERP is meant to check car population too?

Beautiful951 SG

MRT - hardly get seats..

TAXIS - want to get taxi aso difficult.. even i call also cannot get.. so expensive smore

CARS - ERPs just killed me

BUS - Slow..

wassap man... knn

Thats why people are starting to push for seats. And rush.

darrentz SG

i think the gahman is trying to achieve a few things here:

1. As stated, to control traffic flow & increase speed. I'm a bit skeptical about the gahman on this. they should jolly well know the economics and know the curve is already fast approaching the flat end. increasing ERP will gain lesser and lesser effects at those highly congested areas. Those who still drives, need to drive. period.

2. To deter people from driving to work, esp. those in city area (w/o affecting those who needs to drive to ulu ulu places for work) those driving to places for leisure on weekends don't get affected much too.

3. To control car population. even though they don't admit it, the setting up of gantries at less congested areas suggest that. they have to "charge" more ERP to achieve the desired effect of control

4. To maintain or increase the revenue from ERP to offset public transport & road projects. again, the increase in gantries does that. its a nice way to collect "toll charges" for those new expressways, since they are "controlling traffic flow".

Overall, they are going to achieve some positive results, but i think they are also adding on to inflation, low/middle income's misery who needs to drive. but hey, I think they are wise enough not to add ERP into their CPI basket to measure inflation. "its a luxury" they will counter.

Midlusionz SG

Somehow we are on the losing end .. We drive private transport .. Petrol and diesel increase, we go for public transport .. Fees increase to god know how much..

devwei SG

Let's put this way.... either way we still end up PAY AND PAY....

The "good" garman of ours pushes us to take public transport... if that succeeds, more buses and MRT will be congested.... den what will happen? More buses and MRT are needed... Den they will say... due to rising cost of diesel and PROFIT is going down, we need to increase BOTH the bus and MRT fares so that they can cover their costs... So we ended up paying higher fares again....

My thought is this.... if got lots of PROFIT... why still increase fares... It happens before the last fare was increase... So who wins?

I really ponder... Public transport or own a car? Either way... the garman wins.

kilua SG

i will ask this question about this statement you made..

why the hell did you blame the gabrament for the actions of irresponsible asswipes who cannot make responsible decisions for themselves?

you can blame the gabrament for a lot of things.. their greed, their idiocy, their speed in blaming people.. but you cannot and must not blame the gabrament for the decisions made by individuals who refuse to take personal responsibility for their own actions..

for that, you show yourself to be unwilling to shoulder your own responsibilities... making you... what? the very thing that requires the very "autocratic gabrament" you rail against...

look into the mirror and think about your own responsibilities before you rant against the gabrament...

and if you want to rant against the gabrament, please rant against the correct things.. here, it's the flooding of COE, the duplicity of COEs/ERPs, the lies told, their arrogance in not even bothering with a believable lie... the lot...

don't undermine everything said by being so stupid that you blame the gabrament for decisions made by the people...

that's the same as blaming the gabrament for the way people voted.. and they did...

I get where you are coming from.

Let say there is a country X and the govt closes an eye on drug trade. Drug addicts are rampant in the country. Do you blame the government or do you blame the drug addicts?

Compare that with Singapore where the government take a very harsh view on drugs and imposes death penalty on drug traffickers. Still there are drug addicts. Do you blame the govt or the drug addicts?

In the first case, there is a policy failure resulting is large amount of people having the same problem.

In the second case, the govt has formulated the right policy and only a small group are still affected hence those drug addicts can only blame themselves.

My position is in the first case is while the people should take part of the blame,the Govt should bear the lion share of the blame for formulating the wrong policy.They shouldnt pretend like they didnt make any mistake at all.

I guess PAP suffers from an overdose of MM's "good governance" . Good governance means they make no mistakes, talented people like our ministers do not make mistakes. Singaporeans really needs some opposition if they dont want "flawless" ministers.

Cymatoperior SG

Ok you colse my topic on erp i talk here now. I have a proposition, on 9th aug we hang a no ERP flag outside our house instead of the Singapore flag. The trailer of Money no Enough 2 gave me this idea but maybe not to the extent of a protest. Hows that sound? Will there be problems?

Leeky SG

Sillyporeans,

So simple also dont know, no wonder ppls in Tw says sinkaporeans stupid!!!

Road tax is 2 suck yr h2o during bad time, COE is 2 suck yr milk,good 2 times is 2 suck u dry!!!

Understand!!!

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