As I have said, do you think those
people - whom you accused of making up all the lies as
stated in your previous post - are all "right minded persons"
?
Do you seriously think that George
Bush is a "right minded person" ?
What makes you think that
Communism will work only for "right minded people"
?
Is it not to the contrary that
Communism can exist due to stupid people allowing the smarter
autocrats to implement Communism in a make-believe world of a
Classless Society ?
Is it not a fact that the
Communist Autocrat Rulers became an invisible Class that do not
actually exist as a Class in a Classless Communist Society
?
Let me see. American people spreading untrue lies on Obama. Not
right minded. South Korean people spreading untrue rumours they r
more susceptible to mad cow diesease. Not right minded. President
of USA. Not right minded. President of Taiwan. Not right minded.
Then u think all singaporean r right minded ? Do u even think it is
possible ?
Fact 1 - it is not so smart
to make stupid conclusions about "American people spreading
untrue lies on Obama" - as you are generalising a whole
nation, when only a handful of persons with their own agenda are
attempting to hurt Obama.
"Untrue lies" ? Should we
assume that you have the ability to tell true lies ?
Similarly, those who rallied
in downtown Seoul are not the entire population of South
Korea, and as was stated in this Sunday's ChannelnewsAsia News at
1.00 pm - US Beef is already on sale in Seoul, and is being
snapped up by South Koreans who find that the US Beef is
cheaper then Korean Beef by more then 30%.
Is the South Korean protest
against US Beef imports about "mad cow disease" - or more about the
undermining of the local prices demanded by dealers of local beef
?
The majority of the
South Koreans are relatively calmer when they are aware
that US beef is sold for about a third of the price of
domestic beef – {seasoned rib meat is sold for US$8.50 while the
same cut meat from domestic cattle usually sells for US$25 to
US$30. Will you be
able to differentiate the "right minded" Koreans from those who are
so easily swept by the cleverly crafted psycho-ops to drive up
publicity with mass-hysteria ?
Communist will work if everybody is perfect. Everybody do not
mind who do more work or less work and who reap more profit or less
profit. Everybody do work likes ants in a colony working
ceaselessly to the best of their ability for the collective good.
There is not autocrats tat give a fake illusion or corrupted but
they r working ceaselessly for the common good as well. Tis is the
ideal society. There is no rich poor divide, too high a tax or
lack of welfare for the people.
Let me tell u one thing. If everybody is right minded as u
claim, then they might as well go for communism. It is just a pipe
dream since men r flawed
Fact 2 - being intelligently
stupid helps to place one in Utopia.
Did I claim that everybody is
right minded ?
Why should "right minded" people
be more susceptible to Communism ?
Fact 3 - your "smart-is-stupid"
logic is moving into a very weird phase.
Please do, and at the same time
read back how the arguments have flowed, and the hip-hop and
flip-flop course that you have taken - and which I had simply
entertained your preferred style, when I could have rein you in a
couple of times.
U know, I can use exactly the same words on u, or jojobeach or
anybody in the forum. Tis is because wat u said above is nothing
but a cheap shot with no justification at all. No matter wat one
written or said, the above can be used on him since it is just some
insults without justification. Seems opposition parties like to use
cheap shots on people who opposes their views. Let me take a count
on the cheap shot u have used throughout the whole reply. Tis is
one
Did you manage to trace the flow
of our "on-going discussion", or have you only found the only
excuse to cover your inability to keep track of your own flip-flop
ways that even confuse yourself.
Have you been able to perceived
beyond the smartness in the stupidity of your preferred
thought process ?
Cheap shot number 2. BTW, u still have not answered the
question. I think tis is probably the n-th times I asked u tis
Fact 3 - believing that one can be
"smart by being stupid" is deceiving not only oneself, but also
perpetuate a lie for those who are more stupid to believe in the
myth that they can be smart.
With the level of your
intelligence displayed surely you should know - “What’s the difference between being smart and being
stupid ?”
As I had mentioned previously, why
should Singaopre's political stability be a pulling factor for a
manufacturing business - especially for your printer business
?
Political stability = reliability and predictability. It is
particularly important for high investments low labour business
such as oil refinery, semiconductor and biomedical companies.
There r still companies coming into singapore to invest. Why do u
think they wanna come here ? I have been asking u many times on tis
which u clearly refuse to reply
Have you given up with your
printer business for Singapore ?
Fact 4 - flip-flopping does not
prove the cleverness in the arguments presented when all
it does is to divert to a different course taken out of
stupidity.
Did you not asked in your
usual intelligently 'stupid' ways about - "Then wat is
your answer on why u will want to invest in singapore ? A CEO is
a risk taker, but he take calculated risk. He is not a gambler.
Otherwise he might as well invest in zimbabwe or congo."
?
Cheap shot number 4. And I do not understand wat is the point u
wanna bring out here. Companies r still coming over to singapore to
invest. Why do u think tat is the case ?
Previously you could not count the
number of times you have asked your question and you said that
you will check - now you show that you cannot even keep track
in your "cheap shot count". Did you lost track of Number 3
?
Did you also lost track of the
objective of your own persistence in your own question that I
have repeated for you ? If you cannot even understand your own
question, do you expect any intelligent reply from anyone
?
Do you know the difference between
an "implosion" and an "explosion" ?
Do volcanoes implode ?
Well u r using the analogy on a society (which do not explode as
well) and I just wanna bring the point tat they crush under xtreme
pressure resulting in an implosion. If u wanna nitpick on analogy,
u r always the one tat give the more colorful analogies tat is
wrong if taken literally. Using your volcanic example, I can
question u why do u think a society can become a volcano ?
BTW u still owe me an apology for framing me for making wild
guesses and lying tat I had said china is collapsing
Sadly you not only do not know the
difference between "implosion" and "explosion" -
it seems that you do not even understand the synonym in the
words : "explosion" and "outburst"
?
Are you attempting to be
pretentiously stupid by asking an obviously
crafty question - "why a society can
become a volcano ?" - which only your smartness must know
?
With your expertise in seeing
"Singapore implode" - why will you state the
obvious that "China has a high level of
corruption" but will flip-flop to "China can
screw up big time" by her 'infringement of
copyrights' only ?
Are you being impertinently
ungrateful, when you should be more grateful with my
effort to help you straigthen your thinking ?
In your reverse logic approach in
thinking - as evident in your "stupid-is-smart" logic, it will
not be surprising that you will insist in your own preferred way of
nonsensical thought process - which I have to make an attempt to
straighten your flip-flop line of thoughts based on your own
writings as colored.
Based on your present "reasoning"
- how do you propose to link "China's high level of
corruption" with "They can screw up big time" - and
"Singapore does not have such signs" as Singapore
"favor companies more than the people" . Can "tat be
stability" ?
"Stability" against what or to
what end ?
Cheap shot number 5.
I had said tis earlier. China officials r still corrupted to a
certain degree and the promises and policies can change overnight.
U can invest in china and the very next month, all their promises r
broken and u end up with a losing investment. In singapore, there
is no such signs since the gov is not corrupted, the gov does not
change and the gov favors companies greatly. All tis means there is
more reliability and predictabilty. Tis is political stability
which few countries in the region can give. Everybody such as
foxtrot, singapore tyrannosaur and jhanjhan can understand but
u seems to have a wekaer comprehension skill compared to them and i
have to repeat and explain multiples times for u
It seems that either you are
unable to trace your own line of flip-flop thinking, as displayed
in your inability to even hold a clear line of
argument.
Like the noisylion, both of you
are dependent only on the "processsed food" for your grey-matter to
function to believe that Singapore is the only reliable place
in the World for everyone, even to the extent to see China as no
more then the Capital City for Copyright infringement.
If the concern is
about China being unstable with corruption and its poor
reputation in handling copyrights issues, how do you explain
that Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in China reaching
another record high of US$74.8 Billion in 2007
While a Global Research confirmed Singapore’s FDI at
US$36.9 Billion coming in third after China and Hong
Kong for 2007 despite
your pride in Singapore's stability.
Does anyone understand your
reverse logic, or are you simply attempting to find the missing
company to bolster your lonely stand ?
India may have been experiencing
Democracy since its independence, and it was unfortunate that its
democratic practises was only in its politics, and did not extend
into economics
Democracy is always about politics and not economy. I don't
understand why economics can be "democractic" while an
un-democratic country like china can have "democracy" in their
economics (with reference to their stellar growth). Fact is,
india is democratic for donkey years. Fact is, china is opening up
only in the past 10 over more years. Fact is china is richer than
india.
If you believe
that fresh water cannot be mixed salt water - with your manner
of compartmentalising the term "Democracy" in being applicable
to "Politics and not Economy", how do you intend to merge the
obvious difference between "stupidity is smart" ?
Did you not read the phrase
- "democratic practices" in my statement ?
Is the administration of
government policies not a matter of politics ?
Are you suggesting that the
activities of the government administration cannot be
democratic in nature - and should always
remain oppressive in being bureaucratically autocratic
?
Hong Kong is a City - and a
Self-Adminitered Region, as much as Singapore is a City and a
Country.
Hong Kong has its own democratic
form of government even as much as it is part of China, but can it
be China - as much as you claim that China is not Hong Kong
?
Surely, with the "smart
intelligence within the stupidity" you should be more able then
anyone to realise your own reverse logic ?
Tat is true, but doesn't tat make it more obvious u should state
china growth of millionaires in your earlier reply ? I say china is
not hong kong because it is not equivalent. Hong kong is a subset
of china but china is not all hong kong. Tis person can be from
china but he is not from hong kong. U r like forcing singapore to
be just orchard rd. Is china = hong kong ? Nope. China is more than
hong kong
CHeap shot number 6
You never fail to flip-flop with
your line of arguing your position.
On this point, did you not begin
with your claim on 10 Jul 08 9.48PM Pg 3 - "U think a
democratic singapore can make everyone millionaire
?"
How did this digress from a
democratic system producing millionaires to one about China and
Hong Kong ?
Are you being stupid in your
attempt to be smart - in moving to include China as a democratic
system in its ability to produce millionaires ?
How did you understand my
statement - "Hong Kong has its
own democratic form of government even as much as it is part of
China, but can it be China - as much as you claim that China is not
Hong Kong" - to mean that "China = Hong Kong", or
"Singapore is Orchard Road" ?
Shot
number 6 ? You should go back and start counting your questions
before counting the shots with a cheap
calculator.
Do you think that Hong Kong
has such liberal policies to attract Foreign Talents in the numbers
that Singapore is desiring to have ?
According to a February 2007 Report – at the close
of 2006, there were 1,910 applications received, with reported
personal assets amounting to an average of $3.24 million per
applicant.
With your tremendous ability in
being smart within an envelope of stupidity, can you figure out the
percentage of migrants in the size of millionaires from amongst the
native Hongkongers ?
Cheap shot number 7.
U have pointed up tat hongkong do states they like to attract
millionaire foreigners into their country, which is similar to
singapore or wat other countries r doing. Then wat is your point ?
Both countries attract foreigners who r millionaires, and singapore
ends up having a larger proportion od population being
millionaires. So wat conclusions can u infer ?
It seems that as you continue to
pursue with your line of arguement, you are being confused by your
own attempt at idiocy and cannot even keep a close track of your
own line of reverse way of thinking made worst by your
constant flip-flops
In extracting my reply and making
no reference to your own questions - did you loose your sight of
your initial stated position : "The same can be said to
hongkong. How many of their millionaires r not migrant refugees
escaping from corruption charges in their own countries of origin ?
U think hong kong is better" ?
So you have been fed with
regurgitated facts, processed by others, and handed from hand to
mouth that you obviously will be prepared to swallow, digest and
expect others to believe the same ?
That is the intelligence in your
logic of being "stupid-is-smart".
Cheap shot number 8. Here u r complaining about me talking about
information from my relatives but then how about u ? R u working in
a gov organisation ? If not then all your information r the same as
mine as well. If u felt I am wrong, then why don't u do your own
survey and ask people wat the gov think of staff suggestions.
Is this another of your flip-flop
approach - from entertaining "public complaints" to
entertaining "staff suggestions" ?
This must be the
creativity achieved by changing the "whole syllabus" to
achieve a result that produced some talent with the ability
of "smartness in the stupidity" ?
Cheap shot number 9. I list down reasons why the gov listen to
people and complaints to staff suggestions r valid. U have a
problem with tat ? It is hard to believe u use cheap shots as
answers and actualy avoid the whole dilemma of answering gov do
listen to people
Are you deluding yourself again,
or simply losing track of your own position ?
Can my information be the same as
yours, when you depend on your relatives working in the government
?
How did you so
cleverly flip-flop from my initial post on 12 Jul 08
6.04AM on Pg 4 addressing LKY's refusal to listen to advise
from Singaporeans, into your own version of LHL and the Government
listening to their staff {the Civil Servants} ?
Is the ability of the Government
listening to the Civil Servants the same as listening to
Singaporeans ?
Have I made the mistake, or was it
your intelligence with your "smart-is-stupid" reading ability in
what has been written to arrive at your conclusion ?
Is it not obvious that "listening
" is different from "decision" ?
Are we disputing the difference in
"listening" from "decision" or did you not claim that
"complaints r heeded, staff r
invited for suggestions, implementation had followed and
international criticism have been applied here and
there" - have you decided to back
track "into smartness or into being stupid" ?
Cheap shot number 10. Wow seems all your replies r just hurling
verbal abuses. It sure make u look good isn't it ? If u ever become
a politican, I wonder r u gonna be "right minded" or give out
"lies" and "wild guesses" out and hoping no one sues u. In fact, u
just convince me tat even u r not right minded, u dish out wrong
facts and u do verbal abuses and tat actually justifies why people
deserved to be sued for libel or slander.
Frankly speaking I do not understand wat r u trying to say here.
Is it wrong to say gov do listen, they heed complaints, they invite
staff to suggest improvements, they heed international criticism
and they implement a lot of such measures. But obviously not
all suggestions should be heeded. It is like the fable
of bringing a donkey to the market. It is pointless and
impossible to heed everybody advise
More wild guesses when you are
exposed for your duplicity ?
Were the words abusive, or are you
simply 'smarting' from the fact that even
you are embarrassed that it was idiocy to believe
that "stupid-is-smart' ?
Are you deluding yourself again
with your statement that - "they {the government} heed
international criticism and they implement a lot of such
measures" ?
You must have been too involved
with this thread to miss LKY's rebuttal towards the Interational
Bar Association Report.
Are you back-tracking on your
position about the government listening to every advise from their
staff ?
Was it the USA that decided to
attack Iraq, or was it George Bush and Dick Cheney - both ignoring
World opinions to pursue their agenda ?
If South Koreans did not protest
in the manner that they did, would the US Beef issue have been
decidedly aborted ?
George bush + dick cheney r from US gov. The gov is democratic.
Do they listen ? Nope. Democracy has the same problem as well. It
is not like being democratic will ensure u make all the right
decisions
SOuth korea protest on US beef ? I find tat amusing. Personally,
I feel tat importing beef and able to ink the free trade agreement
is good for the overall economy of south korea. They could simply
label the beef they buy either from US or from other countries and
let the consumers decide. But just because of one decision they do
nto like, they protest, make economic losses and tat one small
thing seems to be able to bring down a popular president who is
just elected. They can keep changing gov all they want and I do not
believe a person, no matter how perfect of how brillant, can make
all policies where everybody will like on a matured
economy.
Are you describing the
"democratic" situation in Singapore ?
Is LKY not a fan of George
Bush - Dick Cheney ? Did LKY learn the same "listening skills"
from George and Dick in not listening to good reasons from the more
"right minded persons" in a "democratic system of government"
?
Have you changed your position
about LKY's ability to listen to his people and his staff as well
?
With your perverse logic can
you "enlighten yourself" as to what has "democracy" got to do
with making the "right decisions" ?
Why should you find the South
Korean's protest amusing ? Do you intend to digress again into a
new flip-flop direction and not address the opportunities that
Democracy bring for those "governed" to communicate with the
"government"?
It is obvious that your 6 months
stay overseas - for education, or for leisure - has not done much
to your reading-and-comprehension abilities despite the acclaimed
basic schooling in Singapore education system.
Try reading again the text that
you have so diligently quoted from my last response, but prefer to
read it with your perverse logic.
Cheap shot 11. In here there is nothing worth mentioning since u
have not state anything. I can ask u to re-read back my post
again as well.
BTW, again u avoid answering tis question. U laugh at me for
staying so short a time at a democratic country, then wat about u ?
Wat is your experience in a democratic country ? I will love to
hear it.
Have you not noticed how easily
your perverse logic has been systematically spliced and diced
? It is due to diligent
re-reading of your replies that allowed your carelessness with
details and facts to be taken advantage of.
Sadly, either you are too "smart
to be stupid" to prove yourself correct, or you are simply too
"stupid-to-be-smart" to accomplish your own perverse
maxim.
This is not to be taken in an
abusive manner but as an advise, which doubtfully you will not have
any ability to understand clear words as seen in your present reply
to my last post.
As was stated previously, is there
any relevance to your question about a person's length of stay in a
democracy ?
Even if an answer is given, can
you confirm the veracity of the statement, or do you need evidence
of proof - and to what length do you intend to push to
ascertain that what is given is not a lie ? What purpose does
it serve in a public forum such as this ?
Is this not another idea that seem
smart in a spark of brilliance, but seemingly stupid in
the details to make the idea to be of any
reasonable value ?
Whether a statement is a cheap
shot or not, depends on the impact or effect that the
statement has been able to create; and it seems to have its desired
effects in keeping your attention to this thread alive.
