Speak the truths but don't be insulting & partisan

last SG · 2008-07-19T11:12:10+00:00

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PRP SG

Speak honestly but don't be insulting & partisan.This is what i appeal to all members here.

PRP SG

Is there anyone who doesn't mind to be insulted?

frakfrakfrak SG

This is an impossible request because of the nature of this internet forum. Don't be naive and if you consider naiveity to be some kind of virtue than don't expect anything worthwhile from any discussion premised on that naiveity except a bunch of froth. Come to think of it, it's all been froth anyway so whatever.

PRP SG

Frak,

Which part of my call is impossible?

Spartans SG

Tell that to Gazelle and his abundance of clones.

lotus999 SG

it has nothing to do with the nature of the forum. it can be achieve if we were to exercise a bit of self refrain.

don't you think to be able to convince others with our reasoning rather than with insults is already a worthwhile challenge?

though we may see a lot of froth now this is inevitable as we have just started on such public discussions. as we progress our arguments will become more substantial and convincing.

PRP SG

Thank you, Lotus999.

I believe one can't be impartial when one's selfish interest, esp. money,is involved,So when u see those fiercely 'flaming' msg in the internet, they are probably due to selfish interest..

foxtrout8 SG

Speak honestly but don't be insulting & partisan.This is what i appeal to all members here.

PRP, i stand by ur call.

PRP SG

Foxtrout8,

It would be great if more ppl like you.

reservistsianz SG

I wish there is no insults traded between parties as well.

Whether u believe in opposition or believe in Gov, it is their opinion and we should respect them.

robertteh SG

PRP

While I agree with your call for civility and self-restraints. I would prefer a similar advice to people to be courageous enough to stand up as defenders of truths and justice ceaselessly speaking their minds honestly against any form of wrong doings or evil in our society for ulitimately it is the presence of such honest citizens who are prepared to defend our rights and justice that we can hope to have good government and good lives.

Very often we see such fearless citizens with independent views being the targets of attack or oppressions by all sorts of propagandas, fear tactics and name calling.

So I think your advice calling on some here to practise self-restraints should be applied to whole society from the top down and not just directed to some who are careless in choice of words or manner in criticizing wrongful government policies or conduct in governing the country.

Which is the bigger problem? Top people or the bottom rung?

Will the top stop their vile propagandas to depoliticise the people so as to get their way all the time?

Must the hoipolloi be tied with ropes to stop them from speaking up or criticizing wrongful acts of the government?.

stupidissmart SG

Speaking up against the gov is in a way, right. It encourages discussion and a greater understanding is reached. However does name calling and insults have to be in the picture ? Tis brought about heightened emotions, resulting in flame threads and people r pushed into more extreme stand. Tis is counter productive. Unless u prefer to have a mindless mob whose thinking can be controlled easily ?

Almost everybody here r defenders of the truth, it is just tat "truth" is subjective.

robertteh SG

Almost everybody here r defenders of the truth, it is just tat "truth" is subjective.

Against media-controlled propaganda machinery of such a scale, all news and information are filtered and controlled until the general population has become apathetic to political discussions and believe in hypocrisies of self-serving leaders.

How do citizens exercise their free expressions under such circumstance if they are to be advised to shut up or speak only within the tee box.

Stevenson101 SG

that is the problem with the forum isn't it?

If you exercise your freedom of expression and say you support some of the measures that the government takes you are told here to shut up, given all sort of names and immediately assigned to the same camp as Deerhunter and the likes. Or simply told you've been brainwashed by the government to be unable to think for yourself.

I dislike how Deerhunter always like to drown the other side of the argument with endless quotes and name calling but still i agree and like some of the alternate arguments he can come up with.

Just the same as i often like to read Atobe's arguments but react with disgust with how he's resorting to the sarcastic mud flinging fests with stupidissmart.

Thhe forumites here need to realise freedom of expressions also means we can agree with the government as well as well as disagree with the government measures. Most of us are adults, we should then know there is more than one way of looking at a stituation.

sgdiehard SG

Finally, this is one of the few sensible thread.

while people are enjoying the freedom of expressions to speak against the PAP, the government and even Singapore, please allow people to speak for the PAP, the government, for Singapore.

There is no clone here. Each has his own idea and opinion. Respect that.

sgdiehard SG

How do citizens exercise their free expressions under such circumstance if they are to be advised to shut up or speak only within the tee box.

In this age, it is hard to believe that anybody can be influenced by any one and only one propaganda machinery. as you sit and type here, you can surf the net and search for all kinds of news and ideas. If those influence you, why should you think others are not influenced ?

Please do not go with the idea that those who support the government are brainwashed, controlled, and they are unable to think. This is an insult to Singaporean.

Many singaporeans may appear to be apathetic to politics, but is it because there is something to fear? they are unable to think? or is it because often than not, there is no alternative! In the end, there can be no perfect solution, while some policies benefit the majority, some segment of the population may feel neglected, some may have to do some sacrifice...it is when the majority are benefitted, that the majority would be prepared to vote for them.

Citizens have to know how freedom of expression and democracy can benefit them.

The OB markers are the white stick usually far away from the tee box, if you can't get the ball off the tee box, it is because you have too many air shot. Nobody give you advice on tee box, only at the driving range.

Stevenson101 SG

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Quoted from Voltaire

I'm willing to do it for you, all i'm asking is that you do the same for me.

RedizAlertz SG

It's akin of asking for "World Peace". May be possible, but darn hard.

Stevenson101 SG

Meh, i'm no idealist. I don't expect everyone to conform to my way of thinking immediately but the way i see it, as long as i convince more than one person in my lifetime then it's not wasted.

PRP SG

It's akin of asking for "World Peace". May be possible, but darn hard.

When a topic is debated,there is no 'peace' yet.But we should debate in civil manner.If u insult someone,he would likely to return in kind.Then quarreling instead of debating takes place.