Singapore has High Human Development (Rank 25) Index

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The point is, the length of history is not the only thing to consider, nor is it a very good excuse given a certain someone predicted "swiss" standards of living some time back.

Is this due to "lack of history" or simply being outclassed?

More importantly, is our current dismal 25th ranking an indication of an "everything that has been done has been done", optimal situtation or could much more be done to improve the ranking?

More telling is our dismal rating for quality of life, now I seriously doubt that is the result of lack of history.

AFAIK, for our country that has been trying to claim No.1s in many things like airline and the like, being only the 25th in development after years of claiming "stunning" growth is nothing to be taken lightly.

Human development is not something which you cant change overnight. it has got alot to do with education and cultural change. Singapore is only 45 years old, hence how can you expect Singapore to be among the top 10 when the first generation of Singaporeans, who are uneducated farmers, fishermen, coolie, hokkien peng, mat-rockers, growing up shitting in holes dug in the ground, are still alive?

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Also given your logic, we are better off being developed by the British like Hong Kong instead of arguing for independence...

Hmm...

I am only suggesting that history has got a big part to play in HDI, not suggesting weather Singapore will be better of under the British. I have asked you to show me a country that is ranked above us and with similar or shorter history.

If you cant, then how can you say that history doesnt play a major role in HDI?

fymk SG

The HDI provides a composite measure of three dimensions of human development: living a long and healthy life (measured by life expectancy), being educated (measured by adult literacy and enrolment at the primary, secondary and tertiary level) and having a decent standard of living (measured by purchasing power parity, PPP, income). The index is not in any sense a comprehensive measure of human development. It does not, for example, include important indicators such as gender or income inequality and more difficult to measure indicators like respect for human rights and political freedoms. What it does provide is a broadened prism for viewing human progress and the complex relationship between income and well-being

Raw data now

HDI value - 25. Singapore (0.922)

Life expectancy at birth (years)- 14. Singapore (79.4)

Adult literacy rate (% ages 15 and older) - 47. Singapore (92.5) - oh wow the Palestinian Occupied territories is actually 92.4 below us .....OH YEAH we are so educated when Thailand and Philipines is ranked above us.

Combined primary, secondary and tertiary gross enrolment ratio (%) -37. Singapore (87.3) - between Brazil (upper) and Poland (lower)

GDP per capita- (PPP US$) - 19. Singapore (29,663)

Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004- 102. Singapore (5.2) - wow Cuba is just below us and the Palestinian Occupied Territories are just 2 above us . I am so impressed

Probability of not surviving past age 40 (%) -2004 -169. Singapore (1.8) not too shabby

Adult illiteracy rate -(%ages 15 and older) -2004- still in between Palestinian Occupied Territories . Even philipines and thailand have a lower level than Singapore

Children underweight for age (% ages 0-5) -2004 - 125. Singapore (3) - between Turkey and Romania (which just came out of communist rule not too long ago.)

The icing on the cake :The HPI-1 value of 5.2 for Singapore, ranks 7^th among 108 developing countries for which the index has been calculated. - Could someone explain to me why we are being compared to Developing Countries when there are so much claims about how Singapore is a first world country . The HPI-1 value of 6.6 for Occupied Palestinian Territories, ranks 9^th among 108 developing countries for which the index has been calculated and it is in middle development category. - urm how come we are ranked below an occupied territory just by 2 ranks? The HPI-1 value of 4.7 for Cuba, ranks 6^th among 108 developing countries for which the index has been calculated.. I am seriously so impressed................

fymk SG

The TS is not doing Singapore any favor by posting the link to the data. I was thinking how cool it would be to be compared to developed nations. After I saw it ,, it was kind of demoralising . Even Romania is below Singapore in terms of underweight children and ffs it is not a rich country - they came out of communism . Palestinian Occupied territories just miss us by a 1% margin in literacy and they are the ones with fighting and bombings going on . What is Cuba doing near Singapore's ranking? It is a poor country ( even my mexican friends tell me that it is really sad there)

jojobeach SG

Yes I agree. These people you so mentioned are still alive and running the country.

So, in that sense it is true.. cannot improve very much. Thank you.

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Yes I agree. These people you so mentioned are still alive and running the country.

So, in that sense it is true.. cannot improve very much. Thank you.

Any leader in this world is more capable than BUSH. Do you agree?

jojobeach SG

Any leader in this world is more capable than BUSH. Do you agree?

Yes , that I agree. Good thing President can only run 2 terms max.

Unlike our SG politic.. can run until lao kok kok.

Almost dying still don't want to let go.

DeerHunter SG

If you are so concerned, then i think you better work harder to make Singapore a better place and not depend on others to feed and babysit you.

fymk SG

If you are so concerned, then i think you better work harder to make Singapore a better place and not depend on others to feed and babysit you.

Urm , I am working overseas. AUD has better currency value coupled with a reasonable quality of life. I do actually pay taxes to the Australian Government so that they can feed and babysit me later in the future.

My CPF is in Singapore generating money as a part of the pool of investment money for the Singaporean government .

I would think that I am a productive citizen. But if you say so :) .

Beautiful951 SG

If you are so concerned, then i think you better work harder to make Singapore a better place and not depend on others to feed and babysit you.

I would differ in views with you. Is it not true now that most singaporeans are working hard? I would say that they are working hard. But the government are taking our money through increased GST, and less subsidy and also increasing the fees of public transport, which is supposed to cater to the less rich citizens? We are very concerned that the price of many daily things will increase again. We are not waiting for people to feed and babysit us. We just ask that the government will not increase the prices so much to breaking point. Do you disagree that we are trying to make our country a better place already? The only thing people worry about nowadays, is increase in prices. And the raise of the government's salary increased soon after the GST increase to 7%. Do you really blame them for being suspicious and more disatisfied with the government?

We in singapore are not waiting for anyone to babysit us. Unlike other countries, where the government gives money to people who are not working, it is not like that in singapore. So, I don't believe that babysitting can be used to describe.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Human development is not something which you cant change overnight. it has got alot to do with education and cultural change. Singapore is only 45 years old, hence how can you expect Singapore to be among the top 10 when the first generation of Singaporeans, who are uneducated farmers, fishermen, coolie, hokkien peng, mat-rockers, growing up shitting in holes dug in the ground, are still alive?

Would you like to highlight this to everyone in Singapore?

I am sure you'll get a nice response.

Also are you saying that our current bunch of leaders which belong to this generation have outlived their usefulness?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Any leader in this world is more capable than BUSH. Do you agree?

Even Menghitsu?

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Would you like to highlight this to everyone in Singapore?

I am sure you'll get a nice response.

Also are you saying that our current bunch of leaders which belong to this generation have outlived their usefulness?

Please dont try to reinvent the wheel for selfish reasons, because not all forumers here are as stupid as you think. If you want to prove a point here, name me a country that is ranked above Singapore in HDI and yet have a shorter history than Singapore.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

You do know what the "logical fallacy of strawmanning" is do you?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

The best part of all this, is that the HDI does not touch on the quality of education, neither does it touch on the quality of the opportunities available. By and far, the HDI is fucking useless statistic, and at best only a benchmark used for Third World Countries which have 'practically nothing to fall on'. So while we are in the business of comparing useless statistics, how about we start measuring how many stupid posts that our resident morons have made? We could then concoct a statistic on "how stupid they can possibly be".

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Who's reinventing the wheel? You are the one who is trying to insist that the wheel ought to be square.

My point is the same, and that is the history does matter as much as how things are done now. In the same vein, nations with hundreds of years of history can change or vanish in a matter of decades.

It does not matter if Singapore is young or old, what matters is the question of WHY we are still 25? And you blame it on our first generation people.

You can strawman all you want as Fingolfin pointed out, but that does not change the fact that your appeal to history is still logically flawed. And arguing on that point or forcing people to answer your nonsense question will not help your case.

You are right in saying that people here are not silly, they see your strawman for what it is.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

One more nail into the coffin of £ Ĭ €ڰ:.

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