Did LKY sniggered when CSJ told him about his (CSJ) kids?

last SG · 2008-06-21T00:42:25+00:00

i am very objective here...... if he's can't be a good politician ... at least he should try to be a good father... but he choose to fail in both... politic...

robertteh SG

As long as we are human beings we are not perfect. We sin and make mistakes. The only way for human beings to behave is to serve his fellow men and repent for his sins and pray to God for forgiveness.

If someone calls another a liar and not knowing that he is himself a human being and liable to sins and mistakes himself, he cannot go very far with fellow human beings nor with God.

So it is repugnant to hear someone snigger at the lower intellect or social status of another even if he is rich or higher in social status. Such a person who ever "kou yen kan len tee" will meet his downfall.

DeerHunter SG

Up to your tricks again, maurizo?

First you ask if it was a snigger, then let others do the assumption.

Cunning, very cunning.Absolving yourself of responsibility. Let others be fools and answer for themselves.

Secondly,

CSJ: You don't know what it means to be a bankrupt, I have 3 young children to take care of.

LKY: (Snickering Laugh)

There are 2 facts in that statement. 1) bankrupt. 2) children.

You cunningly draw CHILDREN to infer MM LKY snigger, playing up the gallery and stoking hate, instead of the reality that MM LKY snigger at CSJ of being brankrupt( through his own stupidity and slanderous ways).

How many of the fools here do you want to take them down with you? I would strongly advice you to be more circumspect, even though i will not interfere with others' monitoring efforts.

maurizio13 SG

Up to your tricks again, maurizo?

First you ask if it was a snigger, then let others do the assumption.

Cunning, very cunning.Absolving yourself of responsibility. Let others be fools and answer for themselves.

Secondly,

CSJ: You don't know what it means to be a bankrupt, I have 3 young children to take care of.

LKY: (Snickering Laugh)

There are 2 facts in that statement. 1) bankrupt. 2) children.

How many of the fools here do you want to take them down with you? I would strongly advice you to be more circumspect, even though i will not interfere with others' monitoring efforts.

The snigger did not come immediately after bankrupt, if you listen to the tape, there was a long delay between bankrupt and 3 children to take care of.

The snigger came right after CSJ mentioned he has 3 children to take care of. Perhaps LKY finds a dastardly amusement that a bankrupt person still has to take care of his 3 children. Unless you are telling me that LKY is retarded, so much so that his response was delayed to that of a retard.

Listen to the recording and take an objective view.

Kuali Baba SG

Getting sensitive, aren't we?

LKY might not have been laughing at the kids; he was perhaps laughing at CSJ playing the pity card after dragging himself and his family into that situation through his own wilfulness.

maurizio13 SG

Hei.....I know what happened....

Click this video below:

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HhCVGBJIhg[/url]

There u can see a similar 'sniggering' style of his.

It is actually just a style/ mannerism/ personality. It is more like a small laugh actually.

I notice as he got older, he seem to get more relaxed, and he let off this 'small laugh' quite often, even on blunt questions by interviewers. I sometimes see it as a sign of brushing off his nervousness or tension, actually. Also to a certain extent, I think its because he is very old and senior now, sometimes old people are like that, more easy-going and laugh on seemingly trivial things.

I think u know what I mean.

But what I am saying is not meant to 'softbrush' LKY image. LKY is still a type A manager, very blunt and direct. His type is like the Simon judge in American Idol, very similar. So I am not contesting the general idea that LKY is an 'authoritarian', I would agree with this description fully, but Im just saying on this particular one, I think u misunderstood/ read too much into it.

Meat Pao.

So you are telling us that it's his personality to snigger at the plight of a bankrupt man facing the the fatherly responsibility of taking care of his children?

Personality or mannerism, you have to based his actions on the stimulus. The stimulus was CSJ stated that he was a bankrupt facing the responsibility of looking after his 3 children. Do you find the slightest humour in that? Only a social deviant devoid of integrity would find that amusing.

It wasn't even a question that CSJ posed to LKY, he was making a statement. How could LKY feel tensed? LKY with his power and standing in the government feel tensed? You have to be kidding me. Even the judge has to play second fiddle to him. It's more like you trying to find the slightest reason to dispel the belief that he is indeed an extremely wicked old man. Wickedness seemed to have matured in him like an aged mellowed wine.

I am not offended if he sniggered at CSJ, but sniggering at the plight of young innocent children being taken care of by their bankrupt daddy. That's beyond my principles as a member of society.

maurizio13 SG

Sensitive? No, not really. It's just moral standards which we abide by in ourselves to discern what is evil and good, and to voice out our views when we find that injustice or wickedness has transpired. Sniggering at CSJ is alright, but sniggering at the plight of CSJ's children is declasse and evil.

So you find that CSJ through his wilfulness, dragging himself and his family into that situation funny?

Personally I don't find it funny or amusing.

Perhaps you have the same "humour" like LKY.

It's no laughing matter if someone through his own wilfulness, while speeding in his car, lands himself, his wife and his young children in permanent physical disability.

Would you find a similar case like this funny too?

To each his own, you might have an extremely warped sense of humour like LKY.

The gravity and severity of CSJ's childrens plight does not warrant humour in any perspective, save the devil.

You are entitled to your own brand of humour, Satan has his own brand of humour too.

maurizio13 SG

Kuali Baba,

Personally, if you are an enemy combatant, if I see your young kids playing in the playground, I would not seek to annihilate your children and your family members.

It's ethics, principles and morals, something which LKY lacks after his years as god or devil.

Kuali Baba SG

So you find that CSJ through his wilfulness, dragging himself and his family into that situation funny?

Personally I don't find it funny or amusing.

Perhaps you have the same "humour" like LKY.

It's no laughing matter if someone through his own wilfulness, while speeding in his car, lands himself, his wife and his young children in permanent physical disability.

Would you find a similar case like this funny too?

To each his own, you might have an extremely warped sense of humour like LKY.

You are entitled to your own brand of humour, Satan has his own brand of humour too.

You've been using some poor analogies to exaggerate our Schadenfreude. It's not as if he's the victim of an act of God or a medical emergency.

Like a fly that keeps trying to break through a glass window to the other side, he hasn't learnt to stop trying what doesn't work, i.e. breaking the law and making loose accusations. He doesn't need to do all that. Fine if he wants to be an activist, but those ways aren't going to work here.

He does all that in full conscience (and by golly it makes him as bold and arrogant as LKY), and now he's playing the pity card when he should have been better-prepared. It's this folly that amuses the objective bystander.

maurizio13 SG

Isn't he in a predicament due to his bankruptcy? When someone is in financial distress with a responsibility to take care of his children. I don't any humour in that, irrespective if CSJ is or was a clown set out to amuse the lesser Singaporean.

Get the sequence of facts correct, man in financial distress with responsibility of fatherhood to look after his young kids.

Tell me if you find humour in that?

So if a clown through his folly lands himself in financial distress and a responsibility to take care of his kids. Tell me and everybody here that you would find humour in that?

Please be objective and not blindly side the old man. Give each his merits as it is due.

Shotgun SG

I'd snigger too.

Because, when I hear that, if I were LKY, I'd think... "If you really really cared about providing for your children, why do you persist?"

If his goals were really as noble as to bring a greater democracy to Singapore, why bring up the children and make himself look victimised? Trying to get people to pity him?

If CSJ really cared about his bankrupt status and providing for his children, he'd back down, and go find somewhere to live his life happily ever after. A feeble attempt to use his children to gain sympathy.

AndrewPKYap SG

...the dishonorable despot is less han human,,, and as he grows older, the more inhuman he becomes...

...we shall all snigger when he is hooked up to machines in the intensive care unit in the hospital... and when the members of his own family get cancer or suffers a lingering death...

maurizio13 SG

I'd snigger too.

Because, when I hear that, if I were LKY, I'd think... "If you really really cared about providing for your children, why do you persist?"

If his goals were really as noble as to bring a greater democracy to Singapore, why bring up the children and make himself look victimised? Trying to get people to pity him?

Perhaps you have the same wickedness as him in your mentality.

When CSJ was relating the case about him being a bankrupt and the responsibility of fatherhood. You interpret it as an act to gain sympathy from LKY? Do you think that LKY would give sympathy to his political opponents?

I wouldn't say that CSJ was all about democracy, perhaps he has a personal vendetta against the Lees after being victimised by them. That I wouldn't know, because I don't read mind like you.

Why has CSJ not backed down then so that he could provide for his children? Aren't you contradicting yourself by first hinting that he is not so noble and he has selfish objectives, then stick a foot in your mouth by saying that if he was selfish he should back down and go somewhere, to which he hasn't. So is he noble or selfish?

If it was me behaving in a selfish way, I perhaps would have taken the easy way out, moved to another country to satisfy my family and my self interest, rather than stay in Singapore to be victimised by LKY. Maybe he has a sense of righteousness in him afterall.

Kuali Baba SG

Get the sequence of facts correct, man in financial distress with responsibility of fatherhood to look after his young kids.

Tell me if you find humour in that?

So if a clown through his folly lands himself in financial distress and a responsibility to take care of his kids. Tell me and everybody here that you would find humour in that?

Please be objective and not blindly side the old man. Give each his merits as it is due.

You're the one who needs to get the sequence right: Man spouts something he can't adequately defend, man becomes bankrupt, man does it again, man says, "Please think of my family, because I didn't".

You shouldn't side with the mule blindly either (and you missed the obvious sign that I don't support the OAP).

maurizio13 SG

I am not siding the anybody here. You are not being objective by looking at the facts, you are just blindly siding with LKY because you idolise him.

Man walks on the street, trips on a banana peel, lands on his head, bleeds to death. You find it amusing? It might seem funny initially, but the final predicament does not justify any humour, just as CSJ need to look after his children despite his financial distress. A snicker isn't even humour in it's most misunderstood definition, a snicker is to mock at someone in an extremely disrespectful way. Something totally unbecoming of a great leader.

Gimme a break, since when did he say "Please think of my family, because I didn't"?

Do you read minds too? If you don't, then don't introduce nonsense into the discussion.

AndrewPKYap SG

...and remember that Dr Chee Soon Juan has done nothing so far except exercise his constitutional right to free speech and democratic rights to walk around the country without harassments for after all, it is in the National Pledge, "To build a Democratic Nation...."

Is it any wonder that the "Lee Kuan Yew,when are you going to die?" thread is still going strong?

People despise dishonorable apes....

Kuali Baba SG

I am not siding the anybody here.

Man walks on the street, trips on a banana peel, lands on his head, bleeds to death. You find it amusing? The final predicament does not justify any humour, just as CSJ need to look after his children despite his financial distress.

Gimme a break, since when did he say "Please think of my family, because I didn't"?

Do you read minds too? If you don't, then don't introduce nonsense into the discussion.

LOL you're definitely as touchy and as unable to come up with appropriate analogies as I summised. I won't answer your questions there when you obviously don't get that the humour probably isn't about his kids.

Nothing's changed in SC - the denizens see, hear and believe only what they want to.

Shotgun SG

Eh think about it this way.

A man walks up to a boxer, punches him. The boxer hits back, but the man says, "Please think of my children!"

If the man had his children as his top priority, he would have been careful about his actions in order to be ABLE to provide for them.

I think you've got your logic messed up.

jojobeach SG

I'd snigger too.

Because, when I hear that, if I were LKY, I'd think... "If you really really cared about providing for your children, why do you persist?"

If his goals were really as noble as to bring a greater democracy to Singapore, why bring up the children and make himself look victimised? Trying to get people to pity him?

And so LKY's MO of intimidation works , didn't it ?

Like a man who tells a woman.

Woman if you don't submit to me, I'd punch you up.

Woman defies man.

Man punched her up and snigger at her sorry state.

Man tells woman " See woman, if you'd have just submit to me, you wouldn't get all punched up."

Typical abusive man thinking. You're just like one of them.

jojobeach SG

Eh think about it this way.

A man walks up to a boxer, punches him. The boxer hits back, but the man says, "Please think of my children!"

If the man had his children as his top priority, he would have been careful about his actions in order to be ABLE to provide for them.

I think you've got your logic messed up.

So a man becomes a coward when he has children ?

That's some great example you're gonna give your kids.

Yes, make sure you do that.

Shotgun SG

I'm laughing because the way I see it, some twit called me out into the ring. Throws weak punches at me, and I give him a good thumping.

In the middle of the match, he asks' me to consider his poor family, but doesn't surrender. Most of you who think that LKY is being heartless probably has never gotten into a fight before.

You either ask for mercy after you surrender, or you carry on fighting without regards of how bad you get beaten up.

Asking for mercy in a middle of a fight... what the hell is that?!

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