Lees ready to b X-exaimned.''Dr Chee,what r u waiting for?''

last SG · 2008-05-27T13:20:28+00:00

There is hope yet for you to be a journalist, with this being a good effort in posting a report without lacing it with personal views and opinions woven into...

lionnoisy SG

Mr Lee, who cut short his speech because of a sore throat, said he needed to save his voice for a court case involving Dr Chee Soon Juan on Monday.

"I've got to save part of my voice to let him cross-examine me. Of course, in the course of the cross-examination, I have a few things to say," he said.

The High Court has set aside three days for the hearing on damages claimed by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and the minister mentor against the Singapore Democratic Party and its leaders. CNA news 25 may 2008

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/349929/1/.html

What does CSJ waiting for to cross examine MM and PM,on tomorrow?

While CSJ accuses they avoid to be cross-examined by him,

They said they are ready to be cross examined on Monday

26 May 2008 .

So,is it fair CSJ busy on writing but not prepare to cross examine them.

i post their views here as records let u see who is right.

What CSJ said

http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/475-vintage-lee-kuan-yew

Singapore Democrats

While accusing Dr Chee Soon Juan of avoiding him in court, Mr Lee Kuan Yew was working feverishly through his lawyer to restrict Dr Chee's cross-examination of him.

This is vintage Lee, thumping his chest in public while working behind the scenes to ensure that his opponents are crippled even before the fight begins.

He did this to the late Lim Chin Siong. While pretending to defend Lim, Mr Lee Kuan Yew was working behind closed doors to ban his then party comrade from standing for elections.

He said publicly that introducing a law (by the British colonial government) to ban ex-detainees, of whom Mr Lim Chin Siong was one, is "disturbing because it is a departure from the democratic practice."

But a recently declassified British memo contradicts the Minister Mentor: "Lee Kuan Yew was secretly a party with Lim Yew Hock in urging the Colonial Secretary to impose the ‘subversives ban'." (See here for the full report.)

He also did it to Mr Francis Seow. While challenging anyone who criticizes him to join a political party and stand for elections, he threatened Mr Seow not to join the opposition.

His ISD goons threatened Mr Seow during detention: "For your information, Lee Kuan Yew is running for another term. And you will be locked up here...You can give up all your ideas of going into politics." (Quoted from To Catch A Tartar by Francis Seow)

He's doing it now to Dr Chee. While issuing a press statement saying that Dr Chee is trying to "avoid having to cross-examine" him and his Prime Minister son, his lawyer was working overtime in Judge Belinda Ang's chambers yesterday to ensure that the Judge limits the cross-examination when the plaintiffs take the stand.

Mr Davinder Singh was hell-bent on ensuring that Dr Chee's Affidavit Evident in Chief (AEIC) was struck out. This would severely curtail the defendants' cross-examination of Mr Lee. The MM even instructed his lawyer to apply to expunge Dr Chee's AEIC from the courts' records because the document would "embarass" him.

Mr Singh gave a hint of what was to come at the cross-examination. He urged Judge Ang not to allow the defendants a "roving enquiry" when the Lees' took the stand and to disallow the defendants to "cross-examine the plaintiffs on political matters that had no relevance."

He also said that the defendants cannot prove corruption, nepotism, cover-up, etc because "we're past that point."

Contrast this with Mr Lee's brag that "if you defame us [and] if I'm involved, I go to the witness box. And you can question me, not only on the particular defamatory issue, but all issues in my life."

Aping the MM, Mr Singh said in 2004, "[Dr Chee] has been carping about the lack of democracy and transparency. He now has the opportunity of a lifetime - a chance to cross-examine the plaintiffs and extract answers to his pressing questions. What does he do? He flees."

Mr Singh was, of course, referring to the previous suit in which the hearing was convened before Dr Chee could return to Singapore following a five-month fellowship at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, DC.

Mr Lee dares to play such games because he has control over the mass media and he knows he can continue to tell such lies with impunity. Dr Chee can only depend on the Internet. The fight to communicate with the public is as tilted as ever.

But we do not fret for we have one thing that is stronger than even the mightiest of despots. It is called the truth.

3.What Lees said

Channel NewsAsia - Saturday, May 24

''SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew have said they are ready for a court hearing to determine damages claimed by them against the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) and its leaders Chee Soon Juan and Chee Siok Chin.''

In a statement issued on Thursday evening, both leaders said they are ready to be cross—examined in open court on Monday.

Both leaders had sued the SDP and its leaders for an article, headlined "Government’s role in the NKF scandal", published in the party’s publication "Demokrat" in April 2006.

The High Court found the article defamed PM Lee and MM Lee and both leaders successfully obtained a summary judgement against SDP chief Dr Chee Soon Juan, his sister Chee Siok Chin and the party.

In their statement on Thursday, both leaders said it appeared Dr Chee was once again trying to avoid having to cross—examine the Prime Minister and Minister Mentor.

Hearing resumed in Chambers on Thursday to strike out statements of evidence filed by Dr Chee.

Senior Counsel Davider Singh, who is acting for the leaders, said Dr Chee was attempting to drag out proceedings to avoid next week’s hearing to assess the amount of damages. The opposition politician, he said, was employing delay tactics.

Giving a detailed account of these tactics, Minister Mentor Lee’s press secretary noted the assessment of damages hearing was originally scheduled from May 12—14.

Both leaders had set aside time to attend and be cross—examined, but Dr Chee tried his best to avoid the hearing. Instead, he had asked Justice Belinda Ang to excuse herself.

Dr Chee knew that if the Judge did so, the assessment of damages hearing would have to be postponed.

When this attempt failed, he asked for an adjournment to consider the two leaders’ application to strike out the affidavits filed by the Chees. The assessment of damages hearing was then re—scheduled to May 26—28.

Furthermore, two days (May 22 and 23) were set aside to hear the Striking—Out Applications so as to complete all preliminary matters before the main hearing starts. But Dr Chee went on to make all sorts of last—minute applications.

The hearing in Chambers on the Striking—out Applications will continue on Friday afternoon before Justice Belinda Ang. — CNA/ir

Poh Ah Pak SG

What the Lees' will do in court

http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article

lionnoisy SG

CSJ and followers,

Lets make things clear.No politician,from SG to Washington,from

Sydney to Beijing ,will help opposition party nicely.

Dunt expect any political ''hand outs ''from ruling party.

U have to fight with current rules of games.

Read LKY books see how he play games LEGALLY

to kick Colonist ,Communalists and Communits out!!

Have CSJ filed for any defense in 2006 on time?

The answer is ''No''.CSJ just has to answer for NOT filing defense.

It is damn not fair accusing Court went straight into

Summary Judgement.CSJ just wants darken the names of

SG,and Lees in western medias.

As SDP chose not to file a defence, it was found to have defamed PM Lee and MM Lee in the default judgment given by the High Court last Wednesday.

''Singapore Democratic Party ask instead to see the Prime Minister and Minister Mentor in court for defamation suit

Straits Times
Thursday, June 15, 2006

By Sue-Ann Chia''

Read what did CSJ write in 2006.

http://singaporedemocrat.org/articlenkflawsuit3.html

http://singaporedemocrat.org/articlenkflawsuit4.html

http://singaporedemocrat.org/news.articles.html

CSJ tactics is simple.Do whatever he can to make

Lees looks repression on him.

Keep out of jail ,not purposely goes into jail

How can u lead from jail?U are not a mafia boss in jail

in a third world country.

lionnoisy SG

CNA news Sunday 25 may 2008

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/349929/1/.html

Dr Chee,do u still have any excuse.LKY is waiting for u lah...

Today is 25 May 2008,the day before LKY to be cross examined by CSJ

robertteh SG

Noisy Lion,

Sometimes you tend to over-simplify issues and problems concerning the way government is treating the oppositions.

No body really is or has been asking the government to help the opposition like allowing them to use the TV or estate banner posts to display their pictures as our MPs are doing for full 5 years of office without paying advertisement licence sees as citizens are being made to pay.

No body nor the oppositions are asking the government for million-dollar salaries for the oppositions when they are doing just as important if not more arduous jobs in our circumstances where government is going all out to fix them.

So it is not true as you are saying that citizens or anyone are expecting government to help the oppositions. But propagandists of the ruling party is clever or tricky in putting it like it is not the job of government to help the oppositions. Why this assumption when it is not the truth at all.

Don't help the opposition never mind but do we have to run a government which uses the whole media taken over and controlled by them to fire at the oppositions and worse constantly threaten to fix them or sue them for any slightest remarks made in the course of election where both sides are trading insults which are made out as defamatory in the courts where judges are appointed by or with their consent.

When you hear of opposition defamation cases in our type of courts where judges are appointed by or with the consent of our executive of government where the media are controlled and where the anti-opposition propagandas are blasted in the media day after day can you still say that oppositions are being helped in any way by the government as you seem to imply.

The way MM/PM are taking the stand in court and asking CSJ to question them is like putting a multi-barrel machine gun at them and say I let you ask anything you want.

So don't fool the citizens with such assumption that government is expected to help the oppositions. If the government does not go out of the way due to its own paranoid behavior to conduct non-stop lies and propagandas for fixing of oppositions and is prepared to change its own mindset and leave well alone and not try to help like raising GST to help the poor it will be a big step forward to get out of our selfish governing system

Atobe SG

What has been posted is vintage LKY - can one seriously believe the objectivity in CNA's version of events ?

Perhaps we should understand the Man behind his words by reading the historical track record in the development of The MAN.

THE WISDOM OF LEE KUAN YEW

"If we are to survive as a free democracy, then we must be prepared, in principle, to concede to our enemies - even those who do not subscribe to our views - as much(sic)constitutional rights as you concede yourself." - Lee Kuan Yew Legislative Assembly Debates Sept 21, 1955

"But we either believe in democracy or we not. If we do, then, we must say categorically, without qualification, that no restraint from the any democratic processes, other than by the ordinary law of the land, should be allowed... If you believe in democracy, you must believe in it unconditionally. If you believe that men should be free, then, they should have the right of free association, of free speech, of free publication. Then, no law should permit those democratic processes to be set at nought, and no excuse, whether of security, should allow a government to be deterred from doing what it knows to right, and what it must know to be right... "- Lee Kuan Yew, Legislative Assembly Debates April 27, 1955

"Let us get down to fundamentals. Is this an open, or is this a closed society? Is it a society where men can preach ideas - novel, unorthodox, heresies, to established churches and established governments - where there is a constant contest for men's hearts and minds on the basis of what is right, of what is just, of what is in the national interests, or is it a closed society where the mass media - the newspapaers, the journals, publications, TV, radio - either bound by sound or by sight, or both sound and sight, men's minds are fed with a constant drone of sycophantic support for a particular orthodox political philosophy? That is the first question we asked ourselves. I would like to see minds stimulated and debate provoked, and truth refined and crystallized out of the conflict of different evidence and views. I, therefore, welcome every and any opportunity of a chance to agree, or to dissent, in order that out of thesis comes synthesis - thesis, anti-major premise, anti-premise, synthesis, so we progress... I welcome every opportunity to meet members of the opposition, and so do members of my party, over the radio, over the television, university forums, public rallies. We never run away from the open encounter. If your ideas, your views cannot stand the challenge of criticism then they are too fragile and not sturdy enough to last. I am talking of the principle of the open society, the open debate, ideas, not intimidation, persuasion not coercion... Sir, the basic fundamentals we asked ourselves...is whether the duties of the Minister of Information and Broadcasting are to produce closed minds or open minds, because these instruments - the mass media, the TV, the radio - can produce either the open minds receptive to ideas and ideals, a democratic system of life, or closed and limited. But I know that the open debate is a painful process for closed minds...But let me make this point: that 5 million adult minds in Malaysia cannot be closed - definitely not in the lifetime of the people in authority. It is not possible because whatever the faults of the colonial system, and there are many...they generated the open mind, the inquiring mind." - Lee Kuan Yew Dec 18, 1964 Malaysian Parliamentary Debates

" Repression, Sir is a habit that grows. I am told it is like making love-it is always easier the second time! The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt. But once embarked on this course with constant repetition you get more and more brazen in the attack. All you have to do is to dissolve organizations and societies and banish and detain the key political workers in these societies. Then miraculously everything is tranquil on the surface. Then an intimidated press and the government-controlled radio together can regularly sing your praises, and slowly and steadily the people are made to forget the evil things that have already been done, or if these things are referred to again they're conveniently distorted and distorted with impunity, because there will be no opposition to contradict." -Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition PAP member during 1956 speaking to David Marshall

"One-man-one-vote is a most difficult form of government. From time to time the results can be erratic. People are sometimes fickle. They get bored with stable, steady improvements in life and in a reckless moment they vote for a change for change's sake. This is the danger for Singapore, not in this election, because the results cannot be a disaster this time. But it can be in the future." - Lee Kuan Yew, pre-election speech 1984

The "vagaries" of the one-man-one-vote system "makes it an extremely hazardous system to run anywhere in the under-developed and the under-educated world...We are not exceptional: we are neither more intelligent nor better educated than many of our neighbours. We have been more fortunately endowed and enjoy a better standard of living, but I do not think the basic factors are materially different. Where the majority of your population is semi-literate, it responds more to the carrot than to the stick, and politicains at election time cannot use the stick, so this leads to a situation where he who bids the highest wins. At a time when you want harder work with less return and more capital investment, one-man-one-vote produces just the opposite. I do not think that it is a co-incidence that it has flopped in Pakistan, did not succeed in Burma, nearly came to grief in Ceylon..It has been abandoned, decried and condemned in Indonesia, and it is not held in high-esteem anywhere in Asia. It is not a tradition with the Malays nor with the Chinese to count heads: their custom has always been to listen to the dictum of the elder... Government to be effective must at least give the impression of enduring, and a government which is open to the vagaries of the ballot box when the people who put their crosses in the ballot boxes are not illiterate but semi-literate, which is worse, is a government which is already weakened before it starts to govern. If I were in authority in Singapore indefinitely, without having to ask those who are governed whether they like what is being done, then I have not the slightest doubt that I could govern much more effectively in their own interests. That is a fact which the educated understand, but we are all caught in this system which the the British export all over the place hoping that somewhere it will take root." - Lee Kuan Yew 1962

http://policestate.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_policestate_archive.html

1950s

Atobe SG

If nobody is afraid of me, I’m meaningless." - Lee Kuan Yew, 6.10.1997

lionnoisy SG

i refer to the above postings.

hi robertteh,u are right.Oppositions in SG have not asked

the help fr PAP.BUT,judging fr CSJ behaviour,

it looks like he did not help himself.

He just led the DSP,found and built for decades by another

gentleman,into hell.

CSJ just think that ,to make story for western medias to write,

he should went into jail every year.Then the staff in Dept of State

in US has somethings to write in their annual human report!!

Otherwise,it is MI to write anythings politically interesting in SG!!

2.Rule no.1 for opposition party.Dunt commit mistakes.

Rule no. 2--read no.1.CSJ just did the opposie.

3.Who's going to have Dentist 's MC today.

In 2006.''Mr Ravi was "physically and mentally exhausted".''

A dentist issued a MC for him 1 day to excuse him from court hearing.

Have u heard a dentist certify a patience

''physically and mentally exhausted''?

http://udhr19.blogspot.com/2006/09/paps-prostitutes.html

4.Question: will any party produce MC today?

LKY is the one u will excuse him

''physically and mentally exhausted'' if he produce one today,

26 May 2008.

He is few months short of aged 85 and his wife just discharged

from ICU .

Lets see any one few decades younger than him

and without old and sick wife in hospital will produce

a MC!!

lionnoisy SG

I wander what happened to CSJ from the morning on 22 May Thursday to Sunday evening.

STimes already reported on Thur 22.05.2008 that Lees prepared to be cross exam

by CSJ today,25.05.2008.

But from Thur to Sunday evening,at least in SDP web site ,

he did not mentioned this .What a strange!!

He has been working so hard to cross exam Lees in court.

Now Lees said ok and he did not response positively.

Was he busy getting instructions from some one?

Learning how to cross exam Lees?

Read for yourself what did he write in these few days?

was he sick?

http://www.yoursdp.org/

2.The comments in SDP site speak for me.

http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/467-m-ravi-argues-that-lees-bad-reputations-are-relevant-to-assessment-of-damages

Anonymous - Fri, 23 May 2008 7:56 am

The crux of the issue is will CSJ dare to cross examine the 2 Lees? Or will CSJ chicken out like the last time. The truth will prevail. Strangely SDP website did not mention this worthy news as yet.

g_e - Dr Chee is a SLY and downright EVIL man. Fri, 23 May 2008 12:09 pm

PM Lee, MM Lee say they're ready to be cross-examined in their case against SDP

At last it looks like the Lees have finally been cornered, cannot escape being cross-examined, and are trying to put a brave face on a bad outcome. This is a classic demonstration of political bluster, vain and empty gas-bagging that takes their already tattered reputations to a new low.

Made me laugh to read their statement.

Apparently it's cowardly Dr Chee who's now trying to avoid having to cross-examine the Prime Minister and Minister Mentor.

The cunning opposition politician is employing 'delay tactics'.

Naughty Dr Chee went on to make all sorts of last-minute applications.

Nasty Dr Chee tried his best to avoid the hearing!

Astonishing how black can be portrayed as white, with a straight face, isn't it?''

2.Read who is the chicken today!!