there is existing thread, but i still wanna post new thread

redDUST SG

i have mentioned previously that singapore society overall is not mature, or have not kept up with its material acquisition or progress over the years.

in US, diners use trays when they eat in the foodcourts and clear the table in a clean condition so the next diner can enjoy their meal. the cleaners there are to provide cover if someone misses a spot. here, we are all more keen to see who can leave a bigger mess on the table everytime we eat outside; whether in hawker centres or foodcourts. and i have noticed how some are (eved) rude to cleaners who are trying their best.

the overall job structure and design for some entry level jobs is flawed in my opinion. here, we hire `misfits' (not in degoratory terms), say for cleaners. the old retirees we often see are often too slow and not equipped to handle the intensity of the job (clean effectively and efficiently). you pegged it to ridiculous pay, you get wrong people for the job and low esteem amongst these people. i cannot understand the rationale from the government why we cannot pay more for people when we always argue that cost increase in other invariables cannot be controlled. and conversely, we need to pay more for the so-called smarts in the higher food chain. if singapore pride on positioning its workforce to the world on having an intelligent workforce in the past that can command a premium because of the value it brings, why this line of thot cannot apply to all?

australia has left singapore behind in terms of its wage structure for similar line of work. in my line of work in IT, my equivalent in aussieland is drawing at least 40-50% more for the same job. you could argue they pay more tax but they overall, their cost of living is much more manageable, all things being equal.

singapore's worsening gini co-efficient is alreacy evident of all this but the government is not resolute in tackling this. as long as their pockets is not hurt. to me, that's a kick in the jaw for the rest of us.

atobe: On the positive side, the cheap FT help the locals to speak the mother tongue more accurately.

i hope you are saying it in jest. i don't need to learn to speak better `putong hua' even tho' i can do with a few lessons. and of cos, now we already have enclaves of people settling in parts of singapore that i think can present social problems in the future. burmese in the west, filipino's in the north, indians and chinese everywhere. PAP have been able to control the population mix of singaporeans. this i think is harder.

maurizio13 SG

Unions...u will need to see if the union is strong or weak

The SIA pilot union is strong and works while the SIA Engineer union is like lapdogs for management so pretty useless

talking about SIA pilot's union, i can still recall LKY participating in the bargaining process. with some threats of deportation and maybe ISA arrest to the head honcho of the pilot's union.

so was LKY representing workers or corporation in the bargaining process?

i thought government protect worker's rights standing alongside NTUC. seems like there might be a conflict of interest, like everything else.

maurizio13 SG

i have mentioned previously that singapore society overall is not mature, or have not kept up with its material acquisition or progress over the years.

atobe: On the positive side, the cheap FT help the locals to speak the mother tongue more accurately.

seems to me like the low wage workers in Singapore are exploited, overworked and underpaid.

true worker's unions are required in the bargaining process, against big corporations who have more market power. i agree that strikes, picketing and walk outs would inconvenience the public, but i guess it's a necessary evil to create a balance between the powerful corporations and exploited workers.

deathmaster SG

always have this idea.

why not start your own business, employing ONLY FTs and FL (foreign laborer).

can cut cost, raise revenue, by making $$$ off the back of these people.

to make even more money, repeat this business model many times over. sooner or later, the politicians will get the msg that having too much FTs is not good for the economy.

then only will they start to impose stricter guidelines on immigration. so far, the government is only adept at hindering the growth of SMEs. given the highly profitable nature of the above business model, they will confirm do smth about it, to stop you from getting rich.

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