If the riots in China now is
a coordinated effort to free tibet, like what Sun Yet San did
in overthrowing the Qing regime, once order given, every single
tibatan rise up and is prepared to die to free tibet, there is a
reason for outsiders to show support.
oh ... okie ... now I'm getting confused ... or rather, you are
? ....
can I presume from post above, that you think it's alright for a
rebellion like the Sun Yat Sen lead one to overthrow a regime ? ...
and that you'll support such a move ? ....
mind you, the Qing goverment was the legitimate goverment of
China when Sun Yat Sen lead the against them ... or are you going
to say that they are not chinese, but manchus ? .... so the Qing
dynasty were not legitimate rulers of china then ? ... if so ....
when you said that tibet was under the Qing's control then, doesn't
that make it illegal ? ... isn't it like saying, a king has two
slaves, one day, one of the slaves rebelled and overthrew the king,
so now the first slaves owns the second slave as well .....
next then, what the different between Sun Yat Sen's campaign and
dalai lamas ? ... I see many parallels ... both were travelling
overseas drumming up support (including in Singapore, staying at
the famous "wan ting yuan") .... next, the initial troubles had
nothing to do with him (wuchang uprising etc) .... people were too
fed up with the current rulers ... and took to the streets ...
armed ..... with violence ... you say that the tibetans were
violent, and thus had to be put down ... Sun Yat Sen's friends were
pretty violent too when they overthrew the Qings,... so they were
wrong to have done what they did in your books then ? ....
isn't it hyprocrisy on your part then, or just confusion ?
.... when you say people should support something like what Sun Yat
Sen did, that is, the overthrowing of an oppresive regime .... and
in the previous breathe, now say that peace and stability is the
most important, and the most important thing now is to stop the
rioting ? and that violence is wrong ? ...... mind you these are
all your own words ... you imply that Sun Yat Sen was right to lead
the overthrow of the regime, you may even support it .... ...
now you're saying that the demonstrations to agitate for
independence and freedom is wrong ? And don't come comparing Sun
Yat Sen with the Dalai Lama .... they are not the same ....
the former had no qualms about armed violence to achieve his aims
... the dalai lama does not want violence for religious reasons ...
but that is in now was indicative that tibetans does not want
freedom and independence, else we wouldn't be seeing what we are
seeing now ....
or are you now going to use something lame like "show me that
every tibetan is prepared to die for tibet " ? ....
remember that many already have .... http://www.freetibet.org/press/kirtiphotos.html
and also remember that during the time of the Qings, the
revolutionaries were called "luan dang"... terrorists, by the Qing
goverment as well .... (that is, until they succeeded, then
they became revolutionary heros, right ? )
is the benchmark for your support then, whether a rebellion is
successful or not ? ...or is it really, because Sun Yat Sen was a
chinese .... your racial and cultural chauvinism at work again ?
.... china and the chinese seems to be a big part of your
argument ...... why do you call yourself SGdiehard then ? ...
remember, a surfeit of racial and cultural pride is not good in a
multi-cultural society like Singapore ...