Yes, I think Wen Jia Bao's statement saying the riot is planned
by Dalai Lama is wrong. very clear, isn't it? We should look at
everything on case by case basis. You may not like a person for
doing certain thing, but if he does a right thing one day, you
should agree with it. Likewise, though I agree with China's policy
to not intefere in other country's internal affair, at the same
time I don't agree on some of their policy. I won't go and start
some riot or damage the facilities because of the disagreement.
It doesn't matter blaming a dead person is easy or not. I still
think that the current tibet issue is caused by Mao Ze Dong, he
spoilt the relationship between China government, the Dalai Lama
and tibetans. Unfortunately, the new government has to deal with
the problem inherited by Mao. But fortunately, the new government
are more open than Mao in many areas.
It is facts that since Yuan dynasty onwards, the central government
has been giving a lot of support to the buddhism in tibet. It is
also facts that buddhism in India extinct about 1 thousand years
after the buddha enter parinirvana. With many reasons, 2 of them
are lack of support of king, and invasion from anti-buddhism
foreign army. Though buddhism in India was re-established again in
last century, but it already loss few hundreds years. Go and search
on internet if you want to find out more.
Whether Tibet has oil storage or not, it doesn't matter. What I
want to say is Tibet was already part of China since long ago.
simple.
sigh ... i thought i've been through this frustrating point that
one cannot use ancient history as a benchmark already ...
but let's try again, since you come across as a man of reason
and less confusion, I hope ...
assorted other independant countries in this modern day and age
were under the subjugation of the Chinese empire throughout the
various dynaties, vietnam in the han dynasty for example ... (no
surprise there, the vietnamese are more culturally similar to us
han chinese than the tibetans, their Tet is the equivalent of our
chinese new year.)
and I remember taking an ancient civilization class in the Uni
and looking at how the Chinese empire moved throughout the ages ...
once upon a time, it covered much of what was known as the silk
road, all the way past the tien shan mountains (fans of wuxia and
hongkong movies would recall the "tian shan tong lau" and all those
characters, which is where the name came from) ... including
territories that now belongs to other independant countries.
Since China has a legitimate claim on Tibet in your books
because of ancient association, or subjugation, whatever ... aren't
you saying that China thus has a legitimate claim to all these
territories too ? .... vietnam ? ... the pamir mountains ? ...
tienshan ? ... pieces of the various tongue twisting twisting
"-stans" in west asia ? ... and while China was quite
vehement in it's claim on Tibet, how come it was quite willing to
enter negotiations with more powerful neighbours over other
territorial disputes, like the sino-russian accord which saw China
giving up all claims to land north of the black dragon river ? ...
historically past of the Chinese empire ? .... a case of respecting
the strong but bullying the weak ? .... perhaps small wonder that
even the followers of the Dalai Lama got pissed off with his
pacifist stand then eh ? ..
but let's move away from China, else I'd be accused of being
unfairly biased again. Let's go west to Europe, and visit some of
those small charming little European countries. Europe is an
interesting study, through-out the ages, assorted pieces of
territories were consolidated, absorbed, and changed hands among
various empires ... take Poland for example .... and finland ...
Belgium ... or greece ... they were all screwed over at various
points of their history by other countries, ... do you think it's
reasonable for Turkey to lay claim to greece today ? ... or for the
french or dutch to lay claim on belgium ? .... or for the germans
or russians to screw the poles over again ? ..... don't you think
it's therefore unreasonable for China to lay claim to Tibet based
on such excuses then ? ...
the lists goes on ... The Thai empire once extended down to the
current northern malayan states also (infact, if you read the Thai
English newspapers, they still refer to kelantan and terrengganu by
their Thai names, something which struck me when I first came
across it) ... much of Cambodia too, was part of today's Thailand
.... you see them playing the imperialist game ? ...
my point ... is simple too ... it is simply unreasonable for
China to lay claim to Tibet, pure and simple .... as I have shown,
ancient history is a poor excuse for current day imperialism,
through out much of China's own history, she too has been
subjugated and bullied by and conquered by other countries,
(incidently, both the Yuan and Qing dynasties, which you pointed
out as examples, were dynasties founded by foreign invaders, the
mongols and the Manchus .... perhaps, then, Tibet's association
with China then, could be said to be actually slaves belonging to
the same foreign master then ? ... no ? ...
we are supposed to be living in an enlightened age ... where
such imperialist behaviour should already be past ... and don't go
deflecting and pointing fingers at uncle sam in today's Iraq ...
Traditional chinese upbringing would teach you to learn from the
good, not the bad ... "Hao de bu xue, xue huai de" is not
acceptable, nor should it be an excuse for one to do something
similar ... if someone else goes around robbing, raping, and
plundering, can you use it as an excuse to do like wise ? ...
shouldn't it be something shameful ? ... (14th time i am repeating
this .... everyone has chosen to ignore all this, again and again
... but you watch, a few posts later, another "tee nau" will post
the same old "see ! .. uncle sam is doing it too !" or something
similar ... ) .... or has such traditional chinese values
been replaced by something more sinister, like blind, rabid racial
and cultural chauvinism ? ....
