Free Tibet!!!!

last SG · 2008-03-18T07:08:16+00:00

My esteem for the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao went down a notch when he blatantly accuse the Dalai Lama of "orchestrating protests against Chinese rule in Tib...

Arapahoe SG

Singapore didn't take the decision to pick up English, the master of the land then was the Brit so English was there to stay.

Yoo! Which year were you born?

Panache1976 SG

there is an interesting view that actually under the chinese, tibet has enjoyed greater freedom and economic progress as the wealth/resources china has can easily to pass over to tibet. arguably, on its own, tibet may even struggle or be stiffled economically.

tibet is also locally run by tibetens, no doubt placed by the chinese and has full allegience to the communist party.

that independence hold such dear ideals to the tibetens may actually be misplaced or backfired if it spiral into a `one step forward, three steps back' situation.

Check out this article written by a western researcher before all this started. Tibetan buddhism is very different from the buddhism that you or I are familiar with. Some rituals are pretty barbaric, like 'tian zhan', meaning cutting up and feeding dead bodies to eagles (or is it vultures?). I also remember seeing a documentary where they had some kind of percussion musical instrument made from a child's scalp. I was only 8 years old then and it made me really sick...

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Ooops... i think Poh Ah Pak already posted this site earlier...

mancha SG

How would you like for some group to consider you uncivilized because you are not like them, and then proceed to have you adopt their ways whether you like it or not?

Tibet is a mountainous region of hard rocks, burial land is scarce, as is arable land for farming. Wood for cremation is also scare. Therefore the dead are disposed by feeding to vultures. Buddhist culture consider this virtuous as it benefits another creature. Also in high altitude bodies tends to freeze and become mummified. Where to pile those bodies?

So you think Tibetians are barbaric and should be made to be current by working for the city municipal, sweeping and removing garbage for you.

Panache1976 SG

I'm glad that this incident has made me realise the total hypocrisy of the Dalai Lama and Tibetian Buddhism in general. I will never donate a single cent to their cause in future. Western movies like "The Golden Child" got all their facts wrong. I don't think they were even interested in facts, just to further their propaganda war against communist China

Panache1976 SG

How would you like for some group to consider you uncivilized because you are not like them, and then proceed to have you adopt their ways whether you like it or not?

So you think Tibetians are barbaric and should be made to be current by working for the city municipal, sweeping and removing garbage for you.

Actually, if you bother to read the article, it's the previously privileged landlords/lamas/slavers who are receiving their just comeuppance. Sweeping and removing garbage is too good for them.

Well, maybe "tian zhan" is not so bad, considering that they are dead bodies anyway... It is grisly though...

Just wondering... are you also supportive of hindus burning their widows... because it is "their way"?

Arapahoe SG

perharps this is another propaganda. it works both direction.

"The Olympic Games are not the place for demonstrations." Aren't they? Actually, the Olympics seem an ideal place for demonstrations. Not only are the world's media there with cameras running, but the modern Olympics were set up with a political purpose: to promote international peace by encouraging healthy competition among nations. Hence the emphasis on national teams instead of individual competitors; hence the opening ceremony — since copied by other sporting events — as well as the national flags and national anthems.

These elements make the Olympics special, different from other international competitions, but they also sometimes give the Games a nasty edge. The old U.S. vs. U.S.S.R. basketball rivalry; the parade of East German women with husky voices; the lists of who has won how many medals — all of that is evidence of the decades-old politicization of the Olympics. There were black-power demonstrations at the 1968 Mexico City Games. A Palestinian group attacked and killed Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Games. Australian aborigines protested at the 2000 Sydney Games. And everything associated with the 2008 Olympics, from the massive Beijing building program, to the Olympic torch that is due to be carried across Tibet, to the Chinese Olympic committee's Web site (which describes China's commitment to "promoting mass sporting activities on an extensive scale, improving the people's physique, and spurring the socialist modernization of China") is blatantly designed to promote the domestic and international image of the Chinese state, too.

Panache1976 SG

Yah, whether you like it or not, anything that has so much media coverage IS political. Hillary Clinton telling Bush to boycott olympics is also political

mancha SG

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Just wondering... are you also supportive of hindus burning their widows... because it is "their way"?

No, but I would not preach to them. The British, and a few zealots, demonised the custom, which was voluntary and optional. It was "their way" and I won't argue with them over it. It is their business.

Panache1976 SG

Sorry I can't agree with you there... I think it is the duty of enlightened people to spread civilisation everywhere.

Anyway, the widow-burning custom cannot be described as wholly voluntary. There might be a few widows who loved their husbands so much that their wanted to die and join him (errrmm... I wish I will have a wife who loved me that much... but I wouldn't wish her to die with me...), but the vast majority were forced by social pressure to do so. If they do not, they will become a social pariah and be mistreated by their community for the rest of their lives.

Arapahoe SG

The destruction of traditional Chinese culture under the impact of Western Civilization was considerably later than the similar destruction of Indian culture by Europeans.

Which is worst i don't know. but I tend to think that self destruction have a tendency to destroy more. Cause we do not know what we are destroying.

a topic on culture revolution.

The Chinese Communist party (CCP) is responsible for the total destruction of all traditional Chinese culture in the last 60 years. Doing such evil involved huge manpower and resources to spread the CCP's ideology of class struggles and hatred… It was a large-scale brainwashing. It poisoned a lot of young people to pave the way for the Cultural Revolution," Jin said.

"During the appalling and unprecedented Cultural Revolution, countless families were destroyed and a large number of people died of unnatural causes. People were brutally persecuted, from intellectuals to common citizens. Many teenagers served in the Red Guards at that time. They became the communist regime's vicious thugs. This is one typical example of how the communist party culture poisoned the Chinese people, and these kinds of examples are countless. Today, the so-called artistic performances produced by the communist regime's party culture are permeated by its ideology of hatred, violence, immorality, and vulgar fun," Jin said.

Arapahoe SG

BLUEPRINT FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNDERGROUND CATHOLIC CHURCH IN CHINA

Planning Document of the Chinese Communist Party.

Translated and released by the Cardinal Mung Foundation in Stamfort, Connecticut, USA, this document of the Chinese Communist Party, dated Nov. 20, 1996, is addressed to a township in Jiangxi Province. It includes description of a national plan under the heading: "The Procedures to Legally Implement the Eradication of Illegal Activities of the Underground Catholic Church" to systematically target laity and clergy who have defied the regime in professing loyalty to the Pope and the Vatican.

why is the communist so fearful of religion believe? after all these years i don't think Singaporean are fully converted !

sgdiehard SG

Singapore didn't take the decision to pick up English, the master of the land then was the Brit so English was there to stay.

Yoo! Which year were you born?

you don't have to be born in those years to know what happened then. RI was founded by Sir Stamford Raffles in 1823, do you think they taught mandarin then? You think the Brits wanted the locals to study the local languages?

sgdiehard SG

BLUEPRINT FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNDERGROUND CATHOLIC CHURCH IN CHINA

Planning Document of the Chinese Communist Party.

why is the communist so fearful of religion believe? after all these years i don't think Singaporean are fully converted !

Communism, as an ideology, do not believe in God, or any religion. They are afraid of any grouping of people different from their ideology, religion is one of such grouping. I fully agree with you on the castastrophe brought to Chinese society in the attempt to destroy religion, culture and tradition during the cultural revolution.

But Tibet is part of China is a fact that is beyond the communists in China. If one day KMT were to rule China, they would also consider Tibet as part of China.

However, looking at China today, the temples in China are full of activities with visitors or devotees, taoists or buddhists, churches are also full of people. Has the communists learn to recognise God or deities? or human being will never win, if they choose to stand against God.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Tibetan Youth Congress = Taliban?

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/6389959.html

Poh Ah Pak SG

BBC v. Hugo Chavez

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3343

The Times

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Media watch dog organisations:

http://www.medialens.org

xiaoxui SG

ya...CCP is dark. like leader like people

googoomuck SG

Remote Tibet is of strategic significance to China. Here are the reasons, according to an article.

There are strategic and economic motives for China's attachment to Tibet. The region serves as a buffer zone between China on one side and India, Nepal, and Bangladesh on the other. The Himalayan mountain range provides an added level of security as well as a military advantage. Tibet also serves as a crucial water source for China and possesses a significant mining industry. And Beijing has invested billions in Tibet over the past 10 years as part of its wide-ranging economic development plan for Western China.

Arapahoe SG

see i am not sure you understand we are not talking about 1823 we are talking the near term in 1979. Chinese primary school there was actually only 1 or 2 subject that were thought in English until 1978 or 79 the subject changed to English. got that. So we did move from Mandarin Text to English text for Math. Social science. Health classes. (I am refering to the 70's)

Arapahoe SG

But Tibet is part of China is a fact that is beyond the communists in China. If one day KMT were to rule China, they would also consider Tibet as part of China.

Did we ever disput that Tibet is not part of China. I don;'t think people are denying that History. did the Communist send troops into Tibet -- Yes. that is a stain that they need to clean up. Even the Dia lama also indicate that it is about greater autonomy to "Preservation of its culture" .

So when talk about free tibet seriously its about the freedom of its people to choose its practics, and believe.

the temples in China are full of activities with visitors or devotees, taoists or buddhists, churches are also full of people. Has the communists learn to recognise God or deities?

well it suka suka canonize its catholics bishop outside the vatican. It select its own lama. It chop down Fu Long Khong when it felt that it become a political threats. It continue to extend its stretch of influence and control.

Why such paranoid?

when the country has thousand of years of history behind them?

When its Economy is already booming that is a facts.

when its people are travelling and living globally that is a fact.

when No country would want to directly challenge them military.

when it has one of the world top reserved.

You are telling me that china is going to break apart? China is going to be there till the end of time.

mancha SG

The Tibetians have lost their culture. That's why the violence there. The violence is by the second and third generation Tibetians, who have lost their Buddhist character. The Dalai Lama has authority only over Buddhist (believers), and not Tibetians under PRC rule. Btw, there is a Communist Party appointed Dalai Lama in Beijing, who is, without doubt, entirely blameless.

The protest in Tibet is, as usual meant to be "peaceful", but as usual, only start off peacefully. The same for "peaceful" demonstrations in Myanmar. There are always "unseen hands behind the scene".

Whether it is Tibet, Myanmar, Chetnya, Timor Leste , or even Ache, the root cause is always the same, the human propensity for imperialism, and the discomfort of those subjected.

The enlighten has an innate duty to enlighten the unlightened.

If only the world was Buddhist, ...

But then Tibet was Buddhist.

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