M'sia to say sorry to ex-CJ, will S'pore Gov do the same ?

last SG · 2008-04-12T23:48:23+00:00

From an ordinary Malaysian blog : http://sloone.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/mahathir-should-apologise-for-judicial-crisis/.Mahathir bin Mohamad A Detailed Biog...

Atobe SG

Politics aside - the fact remains that the sacked justices suffered a miscarriage of justice, and had their reputation smeared, and the reputation of the entire judiciary had been wrecked.

The fact that the apology was initiated by a non-elected Minister of Law - Zaid Ibrahim, who is above politics - speaks alot about the resentment felt by the larger legal community, and the deep concern in the deteriorating state and standards of the Malaysian Judiciary.

It is even more commendable that the Regent of Perak has stepped forward - to speak on behalf of the Council of Rulers [Sultans] - and addressed the deteriorating constitutional issues created by twenty over years of Mahathir's systematic dismantling of the Democratic Institutions, which also included Mahathir's actions that even sidelined consultations with the Council of Rulers, even as Mahathir consolidated his own political autocratic powers by neuteralising the Judiciary as a third force.

What make you think that the Regent of Perak - Raja Nazrin - will think of starting his own Political Career by siding with the Judiciary, when he easily pick up his ''monthly million ringgit royal allowance'' without the pressures from petty politics ?

What makes you think that the present Government is trying to save its own skin by restoring an Independent Judiciary that will surely be able to challenge the Government's position and create problems for the Government ?

hloc SG

One word...... POWER.

Something which money can't always buy...... or at least the chance to pick up more million RM a mth.

Atobe SG

The Council of Rulers have already everything that they can wish for - what do they want to do with more power ?

As a Regent or Sultan - they answer to no one, and do not have to please nor listen to anyone

As Polticians - they have to answer to everyone, please nearly everyone, and listen to All.

Power alone is useless if you are the only capable one and end up having to do everything yourself - which can be detrimental to yourself when things go wrong, and the buck stops at your desk.

With almost everything that the Regent and the Council of Rulers could possibly lay their hands on, what is the point of having more power - when at the end of it all, power corrupts, and make the power holder contemptible in the eyes of the public ?

hloc SG

As a Regent or Sultan - they answer to no one, and do not have to please nor listen to anyone

They are only figure heads..... much like the Queen in England or the King in Thailand..... much respected no doubt, but have no real politic power.

For years..... the power of the Sultans are very much kept check by Umno..... This would be a good time for the Sultan to embrass BN by bring out such things..... Didn't the 'Head' Sultan most recently refuse to accept some BN chosen minster for his state..... forcing the PM to eat humble pie and withdrawn that minster

The fact that the present Malaysian Government is prepared to redeem the reputation of the sacked justices in the 1988 Malaysian Judicial Crisis - is better then any apology.

In itself, the very act to redeem can be seen as contrition for the wrongs that were done to the sacked justices during that painful period

Is it better than an apology .... I'm not too sure. To me, it is like one Japanese Minster telling the 'upper house' that they should gives an apology to China for the Naking Killing during WWII....while the rest of the minsters 'shoot' him down. Do you think the Chinese Govt would see this as... - better than an apology -

Till the day.... when the PM of Malaysia himself is willing to offer an apology publicly..... suggestion of an an apology only..... is as good as no apology.

But I personal find a better question in the following...... - IF BN had won the election with flying colours.... and had crash all the opps held states...... would any of the Sultan or even minster, dare to bring up the matter...... too bad that we wouldn't get to find that out......

Atobe SG

They are only figure heads..... much like the Queen in England or the King in Thailand..... much respected no doubt, but have no real politic power.

If ''the 'Head' Sultan most recently refuse to accept some BN chosen minister for his state...... forcing the PM to eat humble pie and withdrawn that minister;;;'' - do you not think that the 'Head' Sultan have displayed his ''benign power'' ?

Are you not contradicting your own position concerning the Royalty being only a figure head ?

For years, under the Mahathir Government - the Sultans have largely kept their peace despite the many displeasure with Mahathir, with the Kelantan Sultan being the most intransigent at reconciling relations with UMNO and BN.

The Council of Rulers have largely kept their peace so as to avoid a Constitutional Crisis with Mahathir, even as much as they resent Mahathir's methods.

Till the day.... when the PM of Malaysia himself is willing to offer an apology publicly..... suggestion of an an apology only..... is as good as no apology.

If an apology is so important, why do you think that LKY refuse to accept an apology from James Gomez and expect something more substantial from the WP's leadership ?

The fact that PM Badawi is prepared to reinstate the reputation of the 1988 sacked Chief Justices, instead of giving a verbal apology reflects the benevolent character of Badawi, who prefer substance more then the form.

Your creativity with your confused analogy of a Japanese minister's attempt at an apology is laughable.

Did you not read Japan's previous PM Koizumi expressing his ''deep remorse'' over his country's World War Two aggression against Asian neighbors ?

''Japan squarely faces these facts of history in a spirit of humility and with a feeling of deep remorse and heartfelt apology always engraved in mind. Japan has resolutely maintained, consistently since the end of World War Two, never turning into a military power, but an economic power -- its principal of resolving all matters by peaceful means without recourse to use of force.''

{ http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/japan/2005/japan-050422-voa03.htm }

Since Badawi became the Malaysian PM - he has shown himself to be very careful and deliberate before he move to make any decisions, likewise with the apology to the sacked Justices.

Where did you read that ''PM of Malaysia is willing to offer an apology publicly'' ?

BN's victory in Trengganu was overwhelming - winning 24 seat out of 32 , yet the Regent of Trengganu, who is also the Yang di Pertuan Agong - refused to bend to PM Badawi's choice for Pahang's Mentri Besar.

Did you appreciate the reason for PM Badawi's ''giving-in to the Regent'' ?

Did you realise that it is written in Trenganu's State Constitution for the Sultan to pick his Mentri Besar ? http://bacalah.wordpress.com/

This is not the first time that the Royalty has resisted the Malaysian PM's choice to head the BN State Government -

Similarly, the Sultan of Perak had also rejected the Mentri Besar's nominee from the Joint Government formed by PKS, DAP and PAS.

During the late 1980s, the Sultan of Johor had also rejected then PM Mahathir's nominee for Mentri Besar, and had opted for his own choice in Muhiddyn Yassin.

hloc SG

The Council of Rulers have largely kept their peace so as to avoid a Constitutional Crisis with Mahathir, even as much as they resent Mahathir's methods.

Or more likeily..... powerless to stop Dr M.....

Since Badawi became the Malaysian PM - he has shown himself to be very careful and deliberate before he move to make any decisions, likewise with the apology to the sacked Justices.

Where did you read that ''PM of Malaysia is willing to offer an apology publicly'' ?

Did you appreciate the reason for PM Badawi's ''giving-in to the Regent'' ?

Did you realise that it is written in Trenganu's State Constitution for the Sultan to pick his Mentri Besar ? http://bacalah.wordpress.com/

So..... was there an Apology at the end...... No Yes Was there a... "I'm sorry that the CJ have to go through Sh*t..... and I'm now clearing their names.... "

And I do KNOW that the Sultan pick his Mentri Besar...... but rarely have they NOT accept the one chosen by the winning party. And if it wasn't that BN suffer their worst defect in a great numbers of years.... wouldn't the Sultan have - largely kept their peace so as to avoid a Constitutional Crisis - as they did with Dr M. PM Badawi had to give in NOT so much because he is more 'easy going'..... but because he is too busy trying to save his own politic career as even those inside his parties is calling him to step down.

Do I or do I not 'Appreciate' what PM Badawi had done...... Sadly, I don't give a Rat A** one way or the other...... I basicly just wrote in this thread to said there isn't going to be an outright Apology...... and till today.... still doesn't see one.

Did you not read Japan's previous PM Koizumi expressing his ''deep remorse'' over his country's World War Two aggression against Asian neighbors ?

This was consider a 'Half' Apology by most people in China. Since "Deep Remorse" & "Regret" is all the Japanese ever said.... without a straight forward - "We are SORRY''. And that is for what the Japanese Nation have done during WWII in general while very much avoiding the Naking Massacre.... even claiming that the Japanese army did not kill many people in Naking......

So, I not too sure that the surviver and ppl who live throught that time in Naking..... felt it was much better than an Apology when "Deep Remorse" & "Regret" is all they'll ever get..... follow by the Japanese refusing to ever admit what really happens there.

lotus999 SG

Will the Singapore Government also issue such a statement for being drawn into the entire scandolous situation in support of an ungrateful Mahathir Administration ?

In 1988, when Dr Mahathir had a head-to-head confrontation with the Chief Justice of Malaysia - the then Lord President Tun Mohd Salleh Abbas, the Singapore Government responded to Mahathir's request for assistance by sending Singapore's Senior Judge Sinnathurai to sit on a Panel of Justices in a tribunal to prosecute the Chief Judge of Malaysia.

The panel of justices that participated in Mahathir's scheme to remove his Chief Justice was drawn from Singapore, Sri Lanka, other Malaysian judges junior to the Lord President and the successor Chief Justice of Malaysia appointed by Dr Mahathir.

The political commentators during that period noted that with two judges from Singapore and Sri Lanka known to be Government appointees - {with their history of siding Government positions}, and including the then newly appointed Malaysian Chief Justice sitting on the tribunal - the fate of the Lord President Tun Abbas was practically sealed with only one other neutral foreign senior judge on the panel.

Singapore's Senior Judge Sinnathurai had presided in several high profile and controversial political cases and have always weighed heavily on the side of the Government despite the dubious evidence. Some of the prime cases included one involving the then NUS Student's Union President Tan Wah Piow supposed single handed riot inside the headquarters of the PIEU headed by Phey Yew Kok {now a fugitive}; as well as several cases involving J.B. Jeyaratnam.

Now that the Malaysian Bar Council is also supportive of their Law Minister's proposed Statement of Apology to correct the shameful and wrongful acts done to the then Lord President of the Malaysian Judiciary, Tun Mohd Salleh Abbas - will the Singapore Government extend a similar apology for being drawn into this same shameful act of undermining the pillars of Malaysian democracy that was supposed to be divided in the separate roles of the Executive Government, Parliament and the Judiciary ?

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/24/nation/20733676&sec=nation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Malaysian_constitutional_crisis

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2004a/4m.html Part 1

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2004a/5h.html Part 2

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2004a/6f.html Part 3

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2004b/7i.html Part 4

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2004b/8k.html Part 5 Conclusion

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE0D7173EF934A35754C0A96E948260

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2004b/8b.html

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/bar_news/berita_badan_peguam/raising_the_bar.html

http://swordofdemocles.blogspot.com/2005/07/price-of-truth.html

http://www.singapore-window.org/1028judi.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_officers_of_the_Republic_of_Singapore

fat hope! sg govt is too arrogant to apologise to anybody.

Poh Ah Pak SG

I think it is time to be rid of the PAP.

Xcert SG

sg's newly appointed Attorney-General,Solicitor-General and Law Minister are going to have headaches...

hloc SG

Nice Pics for your Avatar - Xcert -

Xcert SG

Nice Pics for your Avatar - Xcert -

thank you thank you...its difficult to come out of the jungle these days...

Atobe SG

Or more likeily..... powerless to stop Dr M.....

Can the combined weight of the Council of Ruler be ''powerless to stop Mahathir'' ?

You may wish to visit the following referenced sites to familiarise yourself with a ''summarised version'' of the Malaysian Constitution with regards to the Executive Powers of the Yang di Pertuan Agong - especially the following in the first site mentioned: Part IV - The Federation: Chapter 1 - The Supreme Head, Chapter 2 - The Conference of Rulers, Chapter 3 - The Executive { which provides details of the Executive Powers of the Malaysian King }

http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/constitution/malaysia/malaysia04b.php

The second reference site will provide a synopsis of the Powers and Stature of the Malaysian King - and with particular commentary to the Malaysian King's power to defer from the advice of his Prime Minister, as well as to rescind the advise to dissolve Parliament.

www1.mmu.edu.my/~husni/government_struc.ppt

So..... was there an Apology at the end...... No Yes Was there a... "I'm sorry that the CJ have to go through Sh*t..... and I'm now clearing their names.... "

PM Abdullah Badawi's ways are well known by now, his proposal to ''redeem the reputation and esteem of the sacked Justices - is in itself ''an act of contrition'' - which is even more substantial than the mention of the word ''SORRY''.

Can an apology wash away the wrongs done to the sacked Justices ?

Even MM LKY cannot accept a simple ''SORRY'' from James Gomez, and expected more from the leadership of the Worker's Party - for the blemish to the Election Officials made by the erroneous position that James Gomez had taken with regards to his belief in having ''submitted the missing papers''.

You must have been out of date, or did not care to take note of politics during the 1980s.

UMNO had never lost in the state of Johor, yet it was during Mahathir's winning year that the Sultan of Johor rejected Mahathir's first nominated person, which resulted in a second choice of Muhiddyn being appointed as the Mentri Besar.

Sadly, for one that do not ''give a Rat A'' one way or the other'' you have taken alot of trouble to write in this thread without even understanding the background in the political affairs of Malaysia - except for your superficial gloss over of on-going issues.

The Malaysian ways are unlike the Singapore way - as they have always accused Singapore of being too rigid - are you not a reflection of the years of PAP rule ?

This probably explains your inability to appreciate Badawi's offer to redeem the sacked Justices.

China's Government does not seem to share your views about the ''Half'' Apology - and had even considered Emperor Akihito historic visit to China in October 1992 as a success, as it was seen as a reciprocal visit to the earlier visit in May 1992 by China's President Jiang Zemin to Japan.

Japan was the first country in the G-8 Western Alliance to break the financial and economic embargo on China following the Tiananmen Incident, and was the only country prepared to help China's efforts at modernising its industrial base - {although one can always ask if it has been for altruistic reasons by Japan}.

Unlike the Jews, the Chinese have moved on from the Nanking experience - while the Jews continue to keep the flames burning on the conscience of every community on this Globe, as long as their existence remain threatened by hostility that is fueled by their own seige mentality.

Ask any Chinese about the ''Nanking Incident'' today - most will have vague memories until their emotions are purposefully stoked up for political reasons, with all current progress ignored even as Japan had contributed vast financial development aid, soft loans, and signed bilateral agreements to modernise China - all enabling it to leapfrog from poverty to its current national wealth accumulated.

This is not unlike the present day in Singapore, if you were to ask any Singaporean today about the experience of the days when Singapore was part of Malaysia - you will hardly find anyone today with any clear memories - except for the dwindling generation that lived through that period.

Have this Singapore generation harped on the past as a continuous reminder to ourselves to remain independent ?

As a whole, everyone moved on, and find a new equilibrium in building for the future, and some are working closely with the Malaysians.

You may or may not know that more of the younger Japanese are travelling around Asia, and are discovering their ''real historical military conduct during WW-2''; and we are seeing some university elites challenging their written History influenced by the views according to the Japanese Right Wing Politicians.

We may see more acts of contrition from the Japanese for the mistakes made by their forefathers.

http://irchina.org/en/xueren/china/pdf/czm1.pdf.

hloc SG

Originally posted by Xcert:

thank you thank you...its difficult to come out of the jungle these days...

Yup..... weather hasn't been too kind either.....

To Atobe.... you wrote too long.... don't want to copy & paste the whole thing here.....

1st off.... I really don't give a Rat-A** on Malaysia Politic.... So I can't even bother like you to go dig up so much stuff.....

My point is clear..... there hasn't been a out-right Apology from PM Badawi, I'm lookin for a "We're SORRY".... not anything more or anything less. You want to consider what he did as better than an Apology..... Fine. To me, it is not. Ant till all the Ex-CJ agree with you.... then this is very much a point of view issue.

If the Japanese Apology was so successful..... why the Hell do we have to go throught the same Sh*t everytime a Jap PM goes to visit the Yasukuni Shrine You want to consider that the Japanese had given an full Apology.... Fine. To me.... NO. Cause they have yet to admit to issue like the comfort woman saga, or admit to the killing at Naking..... lookin at how many times they have change their School's History Book.... I doubt it would get any better soon. But again..... feel free to your own view.

Btw..... Welcome Back to 'Speakers Corner'...... you have been away for too long

Atobe SG

Yup..... weather hasn't been too kind either.....

To Atobe.... you wrote too long.... don't want to copy & paste the whole thing here.....

1st off.... I really don't give a Rat-A** on Malaysia Politic.... So I can't even bother like you to go dig up so much stuff.....

If you are serious about giving comments in the current discussion about Malaysian Politics - you should based your views with some understanding to the events that led to the current situation.

In order to understand the situation, you should also have some background knowledge to the Malaysian political culture - as after all, whether we like it or not, we have them linked to our island and we have to be interested in the events across the border.

It is more then a point of view issue - if you are insisting on an explicit ''We're SORRY'' statement.

In the Malaysian Political scene, ''the acts of apology is as much as the spoken word'' - as the ''actions always speak louder than words''.

Looking at MM LKY's ''apology'' to PM Badawi, his intent was clearly reflected in writing the letter of apology - as the intent was clearly reflected in the words - it was not even a half-apology.

It was not even an apology. His intent was to justify the offending statements made. His intent was not at an apology.

Your brilliance in mixing events is remarkable - even as you introduced the Sino-Japanese events into this topic.

While China has accepted the stated remorse from the Emperor Akihito, and in various words from the various Prime Ministers - China has always objected to the visit by Japanese Ministers to the Japanese War Shrine, which had the remains of the Japanese leaders convicted of War Crimes for starting the war and committing all the atrocities across Asia.

To China and South Korea, the continued practice by Japanese Ministers to visit the War Shrines annually to commemorate the war dead with these War Criminals included - are tantamount to worshipping the past.

Had the Japanese moved the remains - of those convicted as War Criminals - from this Yasukuni War Shrine, the Chinese would not have protested the commemoration service of the ordianary Japanese soldiers who died fighting during the War.

This is a clash of culture - more then politics alone - and with two nations proud of their history and culture, can any middle road be found to this issue ?

China and Japan has found a way around to manouvre a middle road with the ''expression of remorse'' by none other then the Japanese Emperor.

China's Political Leadership had shown magnimity and maturity to accept these acts of contrition that were delivered by no less a person then the Japanese Emperor, who had shown his own greatness in humility from an ethnic group reknown for their strident national pride.

Can you begin to understand these political nuances ?

Yes, time will develop to show how these sacked Malaysian Chief Justices will be redeemed, and their reputation restored - PM Badawi's personal belief in being a good moderate Muslim will surely allow a wide latitude of generosity in correcting the wrongs done to his fellow humans.

BadzMaro SG

I was very young when George Seah met with my mum after the crisis. I will always remember him saying ' History will exonerate me'

Anyways , redeeming is as good as an apology. For Mahatir , he is still at a time where the people involved are still very much alive. The public aware of the truths. I wish he will be formally charged which i think if the judiciary wanted to , they can. And they can zealously go after Mahatir and also to restore the integrity of the judiciary back.

Whatever it is , its a chance for Badawai to right the wrong. To gain back the confidence. To do some clean up. With the present strong opposition , raja Nzrin Shah's outspoken view on these issues , i see many more issues to be brought to light and the people responsible held accountable for thier actions.

hloc SG

Well.... seems PM Badawai took a course in "How to give an Apology, the Japanese way..." .

* Financial compensation to scaked judges

* Expression of regret by PM Abdullah

So hard to just say 'Sorry'.......

Btw..... a former Court of Appeal jurist - Datuk V. C. George - don't think it is good enough.....

Page 3 of - The Straits Times - 17th Apr 2008

Atobe SG

KUALA LUMPUR: It was a dinner for lawyers and friends, graced by former judges, and the guest of honour was the Prime Minister.

But as expected, it turned out to be much more.

The Malaysian Bar Council dinner saw the closure of a very painful chapter in the history of the country’s judiciary and hopefully the start of a new one to renew the public’s trust in the courts.

Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi announced several measures to reform the judiciary but to many in attendance, what was more important was the tribute he paid to the six Supreme Court judges who were sacked in 1988, which he described as a legacy that still haunted the nation.

Turning to former Lord President Tun Salleh Abas, Tan Sri Tan Sri Azmi Kamaruddin, Datuk George Seah, the families of the late Tan Sri Wan Suleiman Pawan Teh and Tan Sri Eusoffe Abdoolcader, the Prime Minister said the Government wanted to recognise “their commitment towards upholding justice and to acknowledge the pain and loss they have endured.”

Stopping short of an apology as suggested by his de facto Law Minister Datuk Zaid Ibrahim a few weeks ago, Abdullah said:

“For me and for many other Malaysians, these towering judicial personalities represent a very different era for the nation’s judiciary. Many feel that the judiciary then was a venerable institution that could be trusted to deliver justice. “Some even hailed Malaysia’s judiciary as a model for other countries – independent and credible.

“This level of trust and respect for the judiciary, we must all admit, is simply not as strong as it was before.”

Abdullah also announced goodwill ex gratia payments to the six sacked judges and their surviving families as recognition of their contribution, but quickly added:

“I do not presume to equate your contributions, pain and loss with mere currency, but I hope that you can accept this as a heartfelt and sincere gesture to mend what has been.”

He also addressed the need to renew the public’s trust in the nation’s judiciary and “to ensure that justice is consistently delivered.”

Abdullah urged the judiciary, lawyers and the nation to move on, as it was not “wise or helpful to revisit past decisions as it would only serve to prolong the sense of crisis – something our nation can do without."

At the end of his speech entitled Delivering Justice, Renewing Trust, Abdullah was given a standing ovation. Among those who got off his seat first was Salleh, who shook the Prime Minister’s hand warmly as he got down from the stage.

In the words of Abdullah, the time had come to write a proud and new chapter.

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Even the Malaysian Legal Fraternity had found Badawi's forthright actions to be more then acceptable in the manner that Badawi had chosen to redeem the reputation of ''1988 sacked Judges'' - even when it was not the Badawi's Government responsible for sacking these judges.

Even the Opposition leader, also a leading and senior Malaysian Legal Counsel - had stated that it should have been Mahathir who should tender his own personal apology for the dispicable acts committed in sacking those judges in 1988, and in the process ruining the reputation and independence of the Malaysian Judiciary.

It is surprisig that the Singapore Straits Times would have published the news of Badawi's offer on the Singapore Wednesday edition of the Straits Times, when nothing was published in the Malaysian news until Thursday.

Is the present Singapore Government already beginning to minimise any possibility of tendering their own apology for the actions taken during LKY's administration in sending a ''pro-Government judge'' to help Mahathir during his moment of crisis with UMNO being dissolved as an illegally formed political party ?

Atobe SG

KUALA LUMPUR: Former Lord President Tun Salleh Abas said God had answered his prayers and given him a moral victory which translates to a legal victory.

“I’ve suffered so much in the last 20 years, so much so I ran away from the public. I found solace in farming. I talked to monkeys, birds and wild boars. I asked them not to disturb my plants,” he said.

Salleh said he was confident that the reforms would go some way towards rebuilding and restoring confidence in the judiciary.

“The judiciary, since I left, is not the same,” he said.

Asked whether he was dissatisfied that no apology had been tendered, Salleh said: “I am satisfied for the time being. The Government has recognised and acknowledged the wrong done to me and the other judges.”

He however regretted that late Supreme Court judge Tan Sri Eusoffe Abdoolcader was no longer around to hear the “good news”.

The widow of Tan Sri Wan Suleiman Pawan Teh wants the Government to review the 1988 judicial crisis and clear the late Supreme Court judge’s name.

“My husband cannot be valued with money,” said Puan Sri Siti Nurhayati Mohd Daud.

Eusoffe's granddaughter Brenda Lim said: “I’m glad he’s being recognised but it shouldn’t have taken so long. It has been 20 years, people have long forgotten who he was. Nevertheless, I’m very glad and proud of him.”

Tan Sri Azmi Kamaruddin said he would “die a very happy man”.

“I’m happy not for me but for the people of Malaysia. I thought nobody cared. I feel my sacrifice had been worthwhile.”

He added that former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad should apologise for the 1988 judicial crisis.

“Why should the present government apologise for what it has not done? Tun Mahathir should apologise if he is a gentleman. Not to me, but to the country.

“We are working for the rakyat. I did what I did in 1988 for the people of the country.”

Datuk George Seah’s son, Basil, said: “We want a simple apology. The goodwill payment ... how do you gauge and measure how much to compensate? An apology would have been good.

Atobe SG

hloc SG

Taken from The Straits Times, 19th Apr, pg 33

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"The ex gratia payment is... not to be construed as any form of apology, but this is our way of addressing some of their personal considerations and some of the personal experiences hardship that they have gone through."

DPM Najib Razak

Ok...... if the ex gratia payment is not a form of apology.... then what iszit A bribe ..... some money to 'Buy' your slient..... till Abdullah could resist the called to stepdown What

Taken from The Straits Times, 19th Apr, pg 33

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"I waited 20 years and my prayers have been answered. I know that I could not win legally before the previous goverment but my prayers were answered today, as I was given the moral victory."

Former Lord President, Tun Salleh Abas

Well..... at least one guy is happy of the outcome......

Taken from The Straits Times, 19th Apr, pg 33

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"This move is rather belated because the plan has long been proposed."

Parti Keadilan Rakyat Chief, Wan Azizah Ismail

While another thinks it came too late......

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