USA push for new security mechanism irks Southeast Asia

Eddie Lee SG

Any aid sent to North Korea will probably only benefit it’s military. While the common people go hungry. Until North Korea has less soldiers and more farmers. I do not advocate sending them one solitary grain of rice. A country that cannot feed itself or even produce it’s own electricity. But squanders it’s very limited resources developing nuclear weapons is beyond help. Helping North Korea is like buying food for a drug addict. So that he can spend his money on more drugs.

Poh Ah Pak SG

But squanders it’s very limited resources developing nuclear weapons is beyond help.

No nuclear weapons how to fight with USA?

USA invade like Iraq how?

jojobeach SG

No nuclear weapons how to fight with USA?

USA invade like Iraq how?

Do you know how Saddam came into power ? And the old Bush's involvement in his rise to power ?

DPRK fight nuclear with USA ? You think China will allow that to happen ?

Poh Ah Pak SG

DPRK must have nuclear weapons to deter USA from attacking.

They can attack Iraq, DPRK they also can attack.

DPRK cannot take this risk.

The USA's secret plan to nuke Vietnam, Laos

http://www.atimes.com

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

Korea: Forgotten Nuclear Threats

http://www.nautilus.org

jojobeach SG

I'd rather ANY country attack DPRK and get rid of that Kim JI.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Won't be a bad idea if USA attacks DPRK.

I agree with you.

It's about time USA do battle with DPRK.

justdoit77 SG

I'd rather ANY country attack DPRK and get rid of that Kim JI.

Get rid of Kim is not that difficult, but to get rid of him while not causing other innocent lifes to be killed is extremely difficult.
I will say the best way is to use money to lure him to open up the country for economy reformation, then slowly they will open for political changes.

jojobeach SG

Open the country ?

Do you think a corrupt leader like Kim will let the people enjoy economic success ?

He is like a bottomless pit. Money goes in but all pocket by him.

Poh Ah Pak SG

I will say the best way is to use money to lure him to open up the country for economy reformation, then slowly they will open for political changes.

Kim Jong Il won't allow that.

DPRK is such a closed and warped society that any sort of importation of foreign economic changes will destabilise his rule.

Again, Kim Jong Il must die before there can be reform.

I still admire Kim Jong Il because he made USA wake up their idea.

USA dare to touch Iraq, but they don't dare to touch North Korea.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Which part of South east Asia irked the most? Remember you must be specific...Here in Indonesia the newspaper doesn't say anything.

Well they are major powers with nuclear capabilities of course they enjoy the benefit that the small and developing countries of ASEAN doesn't get. That's why they are called superpower...

And who in that specific country that gets irked? Frankly speaking the people in ASEAN countries don't give a damn about these things.

I know I don't and I know my family don't and I know my friends don't and I know the poor people on the street don't either.

Eddie Lee SG

As long as they stay on the shitty side of the 38th parallel. Why would the US want to attack North Korea?
Let the North Koreans bask in their plentiful communist paradise. Uncle Kim has done more damage to his country than any invading army could ever do.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Would be interesting if North Korea attacked USA in March 2003.

USA invaded Iraq on 20th March 2003.

If North Korea attacked USA troops in South Korea on 30th March 2003, that would be tricky for USA.

We can test Rumsfeld's theory.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said yesterday that the United States has the military might to counter the threat of two "axis of evil" states - North Korea and Iraq - simultaneously.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Nah, Kim Jong II isn't stupid, he has kept his own people and even his own military in a idealogical vacuum. Any attempt to invade South Korea will instantly expose the lie of his regime as the "most advanced and prosperous in the world" to his own people and remove a lot of his own support on the ground. His only option then will then be to be even harsher controls which is just a vicious cycle.

To get an idea of how deluded his people, even his troops are, during their own national day they will broadcast with loudspeakers across the DMZ to South Korean soldiers that they had meat, encouraging them to defect. Apparently they think that South Korea is so poor that they are in an even worse state then them!

Hence he's not dumb, as much as he rattles his sabers he knows that any war will ultimately be his undoing. After all he's comfy now as he is but his regime is really held together with bubblegum and wrapping tape, and it is in his own best interest to keep it that way. North Korean soceity is somewhat like a runaway train, where the entire country is simply made to support the existence of one regime, spending all its resources on the military and the like, but this certainly cannot last forever.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Pratically can the US fight a two front war? They did such a thing in WW2.

Note that the forces bidded to attack Iraq were a very small portion of their entire military might, and Iraq didn't put up much of a fight at all. It is the current insurgency that is costing them pin pricks of damage. The actual war and invasion actually resulted in very few losses for the Yanks. It is politics, and not the military that is unable to conclude this mess.

But a conventional war caused by a clear enemy with a conventional structure is a lot clearer in terms of politics, and unfortnately for North Korea it is the war that the US Military is best at fighting.

In terms of resources, you must consider that you are not only pitting NK against the Yanks, but SK as well. And unlike the South Vietnamese army, South Korea's military is no slouch and it really remains to be seen if North Korean, facing its own internal issues with famine and the like really want to mess around with the notion of war.

It is in their regime's best interest to cooperate (even if they do so with a lot of reluctance and saber-rattling), and not really to fight.

And pratically as well, it is not in NK's interest to play the nuclear card, because they lack the amount of nukes (if they even have any operational to begin with) to reach MAD with the US, and I seriously think nuking a US city will make the American public scared and call for a pullout, if anything 9/11 proved, is it that the Yanks take things personally, and instead rally behind a cause if they see it's worth it. It's not that they lack the heart for a fight in Iraq, but they see no point in it. But they'll certainly see a NK nuke as a very big point to rally behind.

Poh Ah Pak SG

In terms of resources, you must consider that you are not only pitting NK against the Yanks, but SK as well.

USA made some moves in March 2003 to warn North Korea not to make rash moves.

On March 19 2003, it launched joint war games with South Korea to send a message to the North.

South Korea, March 19 (UPI) -- The United States and South Korea kicked off another set of major joint military exercises Wednesday aimed at deterring threats from North Korea.

The 8-day, computer-based command training drill, code-named Reception, Staging, Onward Movement and Integration, coincided with ongoing monthlong joint field exercises of Foal Eagle that run through April 2.

http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2003nn/0303nn/030319nn.htm#035

The next day, March 20 2003, USA launched its invasion of Iraq, having sent a warning via the war games in ROK, telling DPRK not to take advantage of the USA military action in Iraq.

DPRK responds:

Pyongyang, March 21 (KCNA) -- The large-scale joint military exercises being staged by the U.S. and the South Korean warhawks have created such a tense situation on the Korean Peninsula that a nuclear war may break out there any moment.

What merits a serious attention is that the DPRK targeted saber-rattling is being staged in real earnest, timed to coincide with the U.S. attack on Iraq...

There is a growing danger of the Foal Eagle and Rsoi joint military exercises as the U.S. hurled unusually huge combat forces equipped with sophisticated weapons into the exercises.

They involve hundreds of thousands of troops and various types of modern combat hardware enough to wage a war.

The U.S. has already transferred 24 B-52 and B-1 fighter-bombers to the west pacific region, deployed 6 F-117 stealth fighters, which were in an airforce base in New Mexico state, in South Korea on March 13 and, at the same time, mobilized a wing of F-15 fighters, a backbone of its air force.

What is most serious is that it brought super-size carrier Carl Vinson dubbed "a Golden Eagle" with 80 latest deck-planes on board to a South Korean port on March 14.

The U.S. dispatch of the carrier, the third largest in the U.S. navy, to the Foal Eagle and Rsoi to play a major role there lays bare its operational intention to carry out the largest-ever joint military exercises and threaten and stifle the DPRK by force...

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200303/news03/22.htm#3

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

If there's any nuclear war between NK and USA, it's going to be a very one-sided exchange.

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