Second part of extract of interview with PM Lee:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory…
April 16, 2008
Leading and lightening up in the Youtube Age
How will new media factor in the next general election? Can
ministers loosen up and laugh at themselves? Chinese-language daily
Lianhe Zaobao posed these questions in the second part of an
interview with Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong published last
Sunday. Here are some extracts from the interview.
ON THE ELECTION RESULTS IN MALAYSIA
(above) AND TAIWAN: If the PAP wants to continue to gain the people’s support, it
must maintain a clean and capable gobernment. it must continue to
strive for a better future for Singapore. —
What inspiration can the Singapore Government draw from the
elections in Taiwan, Malaysia and even the United States?
Their situation differs from ours. Like many Singaporeans, I follow
the news of the elections in Malaysia and Taiwan on TV and other
media.
My conclusion is that if the PAP (People’s
Action Party) wants to continue to gain the people’s support, it
must maintain a clean and capable government. It must continue to
reflect people’s views and continue to strive for a better future
for Singapore.
If the Government is unable to satisfy these basic demands, then
it is unworthy of the people’s support.
Voters will say: ‘I will not vote for you. I’m kicking you out.’
That is completely reasonable.
Facing the new media and the recruitment drive by the opposition
parties, what changes do you think will take place in the next
general election?
On ministers with different strengths
‘Every minister has the same aim, that is to work for the
people’s well-being, but they have different working styles, ways
of thinking and dealing with problems. We do not hope that every
minister has the same image and the same skill. We hope that
ministers will be like the 18 Luo Han monks, with their own
individual specialities, their own contributions. Eighteen will not
be considered too much if we can form such a Cabinet.’
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The next general election is three, four years away. There will
definitely be new developments in new media.
Some of our media regulations were set before the previous
General Election.
Some people describe it this way: One year in new media is
equivalent to seven years in the mortal world. Therefore, five
years of changes in the new media in one term of government is
equivalent to more than 30 years in the mortal world. It’s a
completely new world.
We have to renew regulations to meet the needs of the new age.
We will review whether we should relax some of the regulations.
However, we will proceed with caution to avoid creating a
negative impact.
It is no longer a new thing for Singaporeans to create blogs
online. People can now make video clips. Previously, it was
podcast. Now, it is vodcast. People film their own video clips, and
upload them on YouTube.
People also use the new media to release news. It is not a
problem if they are factual reports. The problem is that online
video clips vary in nature.
Take Fitna as an example. It is a short film on Islam, and
spreads extreme anti-Islamic views.
The United States also has such a phenomenon. Michael Moore’s
movies are politically motivated. He is very anti-Republican and
anti-Bush. You may be misled by his documentaries if you do not
understand his background and motives.
Another related problem is how do you refute views that are
wrong.
If a newspaper report is wrong, readers can write in to refute
it or the newspapers can carry another report to clarify
matters.
The newspaper readership is rather fixed, but it is difficult to
identify readers or surfers online. How do you find them to clarify
the truth? There is no way to do this. This is a problem.
Another problem has to do with the nature of certain new
media.
For example, YouTube clips and political advertisements are very
similar. Political advertisements cost a lot of money, including
production, buying airtime on TV or print advertisements.
Singapore politics will turn bad if political campaigning costs
a lot of money.
From a narrow perspective, if political parties have to produce
advertisements, the PAP will have an edge
because we have the resources to do so.
However, from a broader, national perspective, it is not a good
thing. This is because many people will be willing to donate money
to parties that need money, but political donations are never
unconditional.
You win the election and after you come into power, the donors
will politely ‘seek payment for debts’. What do you do for such
debts of gratitude?
In developing countries, this often turns into a problem of
corruption. In the United States, it is not called money politics,
but campaign financing.
(John) McCain has adopted a clear stand on reforms on this
problem, but he still has to campaign. He has no choice as the
system is such that he has to raise funds for political
advertisements.
I do not hope for Singapore to go this way.
Election culture
You once said you ‘hoped to see in Singapore a serious and
objective election culture that judges things as they stand’. Has
Singapore achieved that?
I think things are better now, but they still need improvement.
The content of newspaper reports is definitely more substantial.
The level of debate is also higher. Of course, not every article
has fresh views, but the overall standard has risen.
In Parliament, the standard of our MPs is not bad, objectively
speaking. They may not speak as well as their counterparts in
developing countries, Australia, the United States or Britain, but
our standard of debate is rather high.
Our MPs do a lot of preparatory work and they speak with
substance. Of course, at times, their debates may not be exciting
enough, but they do their homework and put forward good views.
When debating the Budget, they may have only two, three minutes
to speak, but they speak convincingly and their opinions are worthy
of consideration.
Some Nominated MPs have also generated much buzz with their
controversial views. The Government may not agree with them, but it
is good that they speak their minds freely in Parliament and they
should do so. By doing so, we have reached our objective of setting
up the NMP system.
As for the opposition MPs, they actually seldom debate in direct
opposition to the Government.
Chiam See Tong does not speak as much now. Sylvia Lim speaks
rather carefully and seems restrained. Of course, this is good.
Although Low Thia Khiang is very smart, he seldom debates on the
core substance of policies. He seems more keen on catching the
Government on its shortcomings, so as to embarrass the
Government.
This is very different from his impassioned speeches at election
rallies. His attitude is that his responsibility is just to
criticise government policies and not to propose alternatives.
The value of doing so is limited. Such a strategy neither
enhances policies nor raises the standard of political debates.
Does coffee shop talk meet the criteria of the serious and
objective election culture that you envisioned? Some academics and
commentators see their responsibility as just to provoke the
Government into new ways of thinking, regardless of whether their
views are right or wrong. How do you regard such an attitude?
I do not know if this is your interpretation of them or their real
intention.
My opinion is that many of those who criticise the Government or
cannot accept government policies genuinely feel their opinions are
not wrong.
Although we go all out to explain policies to the people, they
may not understand completely and accept totally, especially the
finer points of the policies.
It is not difficult for people to accept the broad principles of
policies, but for the finer points, it is not easy.
Actually, if we test people’s knowledge of the policy details, I
think journalists and PAP MPs may not make
the passing grade.
Therefore, I think the people who criticise Electronic Road
Pricing or means testing are not just doing it to provoke the
Government so that the Government will have new ways of
thinking.
The people truly do not see why the Government is proposing such
measures. The Government has actually explained, but they remain
sceptical about the policy.
Nevertheless, some things have to be carried out. If you conduct
a poll on whether national service should be implemented, I believe
the majority of Singaporeans will support it.
However, if you ask them whether we should have goods and
services tax, I think many Singaporeans will say we shouldn’t. We
have to accept the fact that we cannot get 100 per cent support for
everything.
Can ministers laugh at themselves?
Online, there are still many people who would present what a
minister has said in another way. Would it not bring leaders closer
to the people if they could laugh at themselves?
We should know how to laugh at ourselves. That is very necessary.
If we show a stern face every day, not just the people, but also
our family members will find us repulsive.
However, if the people feel you are like a clown and lose
respect for you, will your words still carry strength? Will people
still take your opinions seriously?
In the United States, journalists covering the White House
organise a ‘Gridiron Dinner’ yearly where the President and
Vice-President are invited to attend and personally go on stage to
create comic relief.
I think it is fine if one does not go overboard in ridiculing
oneself.
However, I observe that the real motive of this dinner is not to
create the opportunity for the President to draw closer to the
people, but to dampen the respect that journalists accord the
President. We should strike an appropriate balance between
self-ridicule and respect.
Instead of falling for the pranks of others, could our leaders
work on their image, so that they would cause people to feel that
they have more character and are more colourful?
We can do more in this aspect, but we do not want to create a
personality cult.
I feel journalists should focus their reports on a leader’s
opinions and views towards policies and events.
Occasional reporting about the clothes he wears, his personal
style and his hobbies is not a problem.
However, it may not be a good thing if the private life of a
political figure becomes the main news item.
At the same time, not every minister is willing to go public
about his personal life and hobbies. Even if they are willing,
their families may not agree because they also hope to have
privacy.
People see government salaries going up and are of the opinion
that the Government should also satisfy their various demands. How
would you handle these expectations?
If you ask MM Lee, he would say Singapore needs a bad government
for a period of time for people to be aware of the world situation,
the true reality.
After that, everyone would realise what actually is a good
government.
I do not want to take such a route. I hope to think of other
ways for Singaporeans to understand our situation, compare it with
other countries, and I hope the people understand what we should do
to keep to a more steady path of development.
How far is the Government willing to go in abandoning old
views?
We are willing to start from scratch when considering every
problem.
Other than the very basic principles, there is no policy that
cannot be discussed and reconsidered.
Of course, it is unlikely that we will change basic national
policies like whether Singapore needs independence, whether we need
a multiracial country, whether we should maintain our meritocracy
system.
However, apart from these policies, we are willing to reconsider
other policies.
Nevertheless, we must understand that for policy changes, today
you may think that they are correct, and the day after tomorrow,
after some thought, you may say why were you so stupid at the time
for not seeing the consequences.
Policies must be flexible, and yet have long-term stability.
These are two conflicting considerations, but we should strike a
balance between them.
Look at China. They have long-term and relatively stable
policies, especially in foreign affairs.
Their consideration is based on China’s national interest. Their
perspectives towards the United States or South-east Asia are
consistent and stable. They can bide their time over 10, 20
years.
It is difficult for the United States to maintain such stability
because its leadership changes every four years.
Even if the President comes from the same party, the Cabinet
members will change, with new ministers, a new Secretary of State
and new perspectives.