Consolidation of all topics related to Ministers' Pay

greengoblin SG

Dear all,

I understand that each of you have your own take about the pay issue and wish to share with the rest in SC. I am for sharing but there are too many threads on the same topic and it makes house keeping a little difficult for the moderators. I propose consolidating all topics here.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

Your Friendly Neighborhood Greengoblin
Mr. Green

gigabyte14 SG

Your Friendly Neighborhood Greengoblin....

Laughing

Yunhaier SG

Here's how we feel, Mr Minister (SGF version)

On Wednesday, TNP conducted a poll of 200 and stated that few object to pay hike.

Looking at the online response of this saga, I truly doubt that few object to the pay hike, thus this poll.

Do you object to the minister's pay hike?

A) Yes
B) No

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A) Yes - 33 (91.6%)
B) No - 3 (8.3%)

Total polled [36]: Pitot, dragg, alexkusu, laurence82, hisoka, wisefool83, brokenluv, vaxjunior, robertteh, turbo_drift, CKeer, popmynutsy, sand king, YI, 798, storywolf, SpeedStar, Trump_Card, allentyb, kilua, ORIGAMIST, (human), googoomuck, JerzZzzZ, Kenashi, sgquitter, user_0, gigabyte14, ^MaRcUs^, soul_rage, Daniao, club18, I-like-flings(m), SnowFlag, richong 3216 (via PM), spinsugar

P.S: Only those who have stated (A) or (B) in their post will be included in the poll. (Stating yes or no do not count). Idea

Poll continued from here

Cheers

^MaRcUs^ SG

well moderater,
I think it is kinda messy to combine the similar topics here....
anyway, i poll for
A.
I'm more concern about the widening of the rich-poor gap.

soul_rage SG

I agree with marcus, bumming all topics into 1 area will result in less people reading, coz its more scary to go thru a 20+ page thread than individual threads

A for me too
same concern as marcus

Yunhaier SG

170 more pollers needed! Very Happy

Cheers

greengoblin SG

Point noted. But do think on the side of moderators when we have to do house keeping etc. It is quite difficult for us if there are so many topics spread out over the forums.

Anyway I have placed the topic on sticky. It will be easier for all of you.

Regards,
GG

soul_rage SG

ya understand the housekeeping. ok lah, we heed you Smile

NuLife SG

I agree.
This issue of pap hike rised many other issues.
Its difficult for readers and posters alike to search through one thread's postings.

Mr Moderator. You cannot do things for ur own convenience but result in everyone else inconvenience.

Twisted Evil

Daniao SG

Ah...not his fault....he isn't the only one who objects the pay raise and wishes that everyone gatherers under on banner to protest against the who issue.

as for the answer to the new paper poll, it's: [A]

^MaRcUs^ SG

well,
the previous discussions have been just fine,
by simply closing them up and consolidating them,
different but similar topics into one,
as can be seen from responses this afternoon,
its as good as closing up discussions....
so i hereby request the moderator to unlock the previous topics...

wisefool83 SG

Agreed, like because all the threads are in one now, I also don't know to reply to which thread. Although the thread topics surround one issues, they are mainly discussing different aspects of it. And to combine a polling thread to discussion thread will only create even more confusion. Perhaps the moderators can open up one or two at least for us to continue our discussion?Thanks in advance.

Joshua1975 SG

Confused???

Disgusted

can do nothing, same condition.

blazon SG

The Moderator should UNLOCK the Closed threads Evil or Very Mad

robertteh SG

It will cost S$3.10 million to employ our PM for his own pay plus S$3.0 million more for a senior minister's pay and another S$3.0 million for a mentor's pay.

This means it will cost at least S$9.1 million to employ our PM not to mention the 8 months' bonuses, lifelong fees and double pays (full pay plus retirement pay) for his mentor.

club18 SG

er...
A.
but is there any use to this?

airgrinder SG

??? why are all threads consolidated?

Although it's related to ministers' pay, but the threads focus on different aspects

Vigelic SG

what are all the new pays again? can someone list all the positions and their new pay..

like

President $xxx million per annum
LKY xxx million per annum
SM GCT xxx
PM LHL xxx

etc.

Vigelic SG

LHL donate money that topic kena locked.. so post this here in reference to LHL donate money..

The Electric New Paper :
Think of nation as... S'PORE INC
How should Mr Shareholder view CEO's gesture from heart?
THANK you very much for what is a selfless act, PM Lee - donating the increase in your salary for five years.
13 April 2007
THANK you very much for what is a selfless act, PM Lee - donating the increase in your salary for five years.

You told Parliament yesterday: 'To make it quite clear why I am doing this and also to give me the moral standing to defend this policy with Singaporeans, I will hold my own salary at the present level for five years.'

Mr Lee Hsien Loong added: 'The Government will pay me my full salary because that is the way the system will have to work. But for five years, whatever the increase in the salary above its present level, I will donate to suitable good causes.'

In a way, your gesture is also a Catch 22.

It tells ordinary Singaporeans that serving the nation is a higher calling than working in a big company for big bucks.

Your job calls for heart.

And you have shown that yours is in the right place.

But at the same time, you need to protect the principle that public servants should not have to make big personal sacrifices, especially when their skills would earn them much more in the marketplace.

It is also good that you made it a personal decision.

'I don't expect other ministers to follow me. (The pay rise) is a Cabinet decision, but I am the one who's carrying the ultimate responsibility and not them individually...

'What individual ministers want to do is up to them. What individual MPs want to do is also up to you.

'I know that the ministers and the MPs already support various worthy causes, but it should not be a public ostentatious display of how generous and self-sacrificing I am but a private matter for them to decide at their own discretion.'

The hope is that the House - and your Cabinet - understands your call.

If all your ministers followed your example and donated their increases, the ngeow (fault-finding in Hokkien) citizen will say: 'See, you don't really need the extra money.'

Then we'll be back at Square One.

So what more can a well-meaning person do?

Then-PM Goh Chok Tong in 1995 turned down a pay rise (for five years).

Do people still remember the gesture?

Will they remember PM Lee's donation years from now?

Well, it's all up to you, Mr Citizen.

First, understand the issue.

Then, form your judgment.

PM Lee used his head, then his heart led the way.

So think this through, Mr Citizen.

Then let your heart decide how to view a beau geste - a beautiful gesture.

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Vigelic SG

this consolidation is irritating.

anyway with reference to thread titled "Sylvia Lim's parl speech on ministers' pay" - what was the response from teo or whoever after she made her speech?

is there anywhere with a full transcript of the whole meaningless but a lot of words debate?