9 men released aft plead guilty gang raped aged 10

lionnoisy SG

1.Dunt blame the Judge. This is a culture.
The Judge just follows the old path----accept sexual abuse
of young girl as Way of life. The white oz just view it as
Respecting Indigenious culture

And always giving light sentences for child sexual abuse.
The light sentences just reinforce this kind of unacceptable behaviour
The Court has been sending wrong signals for long time,for decades.

Pl read how The Judge gave his reasons of giving one month jail for
child sexual abuse..

Light sentence for sexually abuse----one months only....

(Man aged 54,girl was 14,)
When the child was about 4 years of age, in the traditional way of the Aboriginal law of your community, the Ngarinaman Law,
the family of the child promised her as a wife to you.

You admitted having sexual intercourse with her and said that in your culture it was acceptable to start having sexual intercourse with a girl when she was 14 years old.
unlawfully assaulting the child .
.unlawful sexual intercourse..
The total period of both sentences is to commence today. Of the total period, the sentence of 24 months, the sentence will be suspended after you have served one month commencing today.

--September 28, 2005,THE SUPREME COURT OF THE NORTHERN TERRITORY

SCC 20418849,
THE QUEEN and GJ (Sentence)

2.Duty of government is to change unacceptable behaviour
Govt has to balance respecting culture and maintaining
acceptable behaviour.
It is wrong to allow girl below 16 to has sex,not to mention
with 9 men in a short Period of time.

But this type of work would not win too many votes for
ruling party.
For decades,what have oz govt done to improve lives in NT?

Govt must has the guts to implement unpleasant policy
to improve lives,Even at the expenses of votes or even seats.

3.To be fair to DPP and Judge,pl read what they said in Court
before the sentence was arrived

BELOW is an edit transcript of sentencing submissions in the Aurukun gang rape case.
DISTRICT COURT
CRIMINAL JURISDICTION
JUDGE BRADLEY
Indictment No 146 of 2007
THE QUEEN
v.
*NAMES WITHHELD*

....well, they're very naughty for doing what they're doing but it's really - in this case, it was a form of childish experimentation, rather than one child being prevailed upon by another, although - as I said, although she was very young, she knew what was going on and she had agreed to meet the children at this particular place and it was all by arrangement, so - for that purpose.....

Would u believe 'six teenage and 3 men aged 17,18,26 '' just
being naughty and carry out ''childish experimentation''on a girl aged 10
by penetrating her??

Thats why i do not apply for oz PR....

I dunt blame the Judge and DPP.They just follow the track
of their seniors and their profession practice.
If the precedence is one month jail for sexual abuse
on a girl aged 14 by a man of 54,what is a big deal of let go
all 9 men of max aged 26?

This tally with cases laws!!

all these cant be changed over night,unless the new PM
or new Cabinet really has s guts to change it.

will4 SG

What about old NKF case? Only Yong served jail sentence n the rest got bankrupted. Durai never served his sentence n went to other country.

fudgester SG

Mr noisy lion....

What's with posting a little girl's picture in the previous page? Mad

What kind of point are you trying to prove here? Mad

fymk SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
1.[b]Dunt blame the Judge. This is a culture.
The Judge just follows the old path----accept sexual abuse
of young girl as Way of life. The white oz just view it as
Respecting Indigenious culture

And always giving light sentences for child sexual abuse.
The light sentences just reinforce this kind of unacceptable behaviour
The Court has been sending wrong signals for long time,for decades.

Pl read how The Judge gave his reasons of giving one month jail for
child sexual abuse..

Light sentence for sexually abuse----one months only....

Would u believe 'six teenage and 3 men aged 17,18,26 '' just
being naughty and carry out ''childish experimentation''on a girl aged 10
by penetrating her??

Thats why i do not apply for oz PR....

I dunt blame the Judge and DPP.They just follow the track
of their seniors and their profession practice.
If the precedence is one month jail for sexual abuse
on a girl aged 14 by a man of 54,what is a big deal of let go
all 9 men of max aged 26?

This tally with cases laws!!

all these cant be changed over night,unless the new PM
or new Cabinet really has s guts to change it.[/b]

Frankly by the critical thinking you shown here, I doubt that any country will offer you a PR visa .

"Hi I think that your country is sh*t " is not exactly what other countries want to hear.

Gazelle SG

Ellezag...how come you are back using fymk nickname? Laughing

pearlie27 SG

Correct!

And how about that British lady who ran down and killed a Korean family of 3 along Alexandra Road but got acquitted.

Then we have Regan Lee who caused the death of a car sale executive. He was not sentenced nor was his driving licence suspended until a year later after much uproar in the internet.

lionnoisy SG

..Just remind u the poorest girl is "mildly intellectually impaired"

2.

Both really are sad cases.Can we say these are individual cases while oz are system failure.No body to check Judges' sentences.
Why?The appeal period of one month is over.

..Queensland Premier, Anna Bligh said nearly half of the 64 sentences subject to review had been handed down by the judge at the centre of the gang-rape controversy, Sarah Bradley....

Lets pray the Judge did the right judgments in these cases.

3.Tough jobs of ruling govt
Very few oz or western ruling party wants to hit any bee hives(big problems)
during their terms.They are afraid that voters would think it is the ruling
party that create the problems.They just sweep the problems
beneath the carpet.It look good during their terms.

In fact,it takes years or decades for the effects of problems surface.
Voters,even they are highly educated,are mostly emotional.
They would think any problems appearing are the faults
of ruling party.The only way they express their angers is to vote the ruling party out.

Very few voter would remember they are the one let the previous
ruling parties to run the countries .

4One day jail for raping a girl
Can u remember i quote in this thread that the penalty for a man of aged 55
of raping a girl aged 15 is ONLY ONE MONTH JAIL?This was handed down by a High Court Judge.

Heres a more questionable sentence.Yes one day jail for raping a girl!!

Pascoe was originally sentenced to 13 months jail for statutory rape, but on appeal, Justice John Gallop reduced the sentence to just 24 hours, saying that the case should never have become before a court because Pascoe was exercising his conjugal rights.

Shortly after the decision, Paul Toohey, a journalist for The Australian newspaper, revealed that the young woman, in her initial complaint to police described a vicious beating before the rape. However the young woman and her family subsequently declined to co-operate with the prosecution and this evidence was not presented to the court. And, Toohey also revealed that Pascoe had spent three years in prison for the manslaughter of a previous wife.

Wa.manslaughter of a previous wife.Released.Then Raping
his promised wife just got one day jail.

5.Dunt use the excuse of respecting culture and ignoring
unacceptable behaviour
oz judges accept that Indigenous' girls can have sex below aged 16
or even 14,i cant remember.according to their culture.

But unacceptable culture must be changed and can be changed.
This is the jobs of government .Full stop.

The mother of the 10-year-old rape victim, centre, with the girl's aunt and uncle in Aurukun. Picture: Lyndon Mechielsentheaustralian ,13.12.2007

pearlie27 SG

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Moreover, didn't Queensland Premier Anna Bligh ordered a review of all sentences given over the last two years in the communities in the Cape York region where the case occurred?

She said "I am not prepared to just write this off as an unusual one-off case,"

"I want to satisfy myself that the people of Cape York, and the people who live in remote indigenous communities, are receiving the same level of justice as we can expect in any other community in Queensland."

For Singapore's sad cases were there ever any review?

will4 SG

I wonder how come Durai can go to work in other countries?

fymk SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
4One day jail for raping a girl
Can u remember i quote in this thread that the penalty for a man of aged 55
of raping a girl aged 15 is ONLY ONE MONTH JAIL?This was handed down by a High Court Judge.

Heres a more questionable sentence.Yes one day jail for raping a girl!!

quote:
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Pascoe was originally sentenced to 13 months jail for statutory rape, but on appeal, Justice John Gallop reduced the sentence to just 24 hours, saying that the case should never have become before a court because Pascoe was exercising his conjugal rights.

Shortly after the decision, Paul Toohey, a journalist for The Australian newspaper, revealed that the young woman, in her initial complaint to police described a vicious beating before the rape. However the young woman and her family subsequently declined to co-operate with the prosecution and this evidence was not presented to the court. And, Toohey also revealed that Pascoe had spent three years in prison for the manslaughter of a previous wife.
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The girl and her family refused to cooperate with the prosecutor. So how exactly do you expect the prosecutor to prove that this guy raped her and the judge to sentence?

So it goes under the aboriginal tribal marriage law then .

I don't blame the victim for refusing to testify because of their cultural background and apparent great shame in being raped.

Alot of silent victims everywhere - only the stronger ones dare to speak up against it and get their rapists jailed.

So don't pull this case in as some sick justification of your tirade against Australia.

If they jail that guy without adequate proof , I bet that you will be using the racist card against Australia.

So either way can't win.

Don't stick your nose into what you barely can understand.

lionnoisy SG

Originally posted by fymk:

[b]The girl and her family refused to cooperate with the prosecutor. So how exactly do you expect the prosecutor to prove that this guy raped her and the judge to sentence?

So it goes under the aboriginal tribal marriage law then .

I don't blame the victim for refusing to testify because of their cultural background and apparent great shame in being raped.

Alot of silent victims everywhere - only the stronger ones dare to speak up against it and get their rapists jailed.

So don't pull this case in as some sick justification of your tirade against Australia.

If they jail that guy without adequate proof , I bet that you will be using the racist card against Australia.

So either way can't win.

Don't stick your nose into what you barely can understand. [/b]

1.They were afraid.The criminals are rich and famous.

caleb_chiang SG

Did you even read? it was in australia... Rolling Eyes wasn't it?

fymk SG

Uh huh. That's your pathetic reasoning?

Don't poke your nose into what you don't know then.

LazerLordz SG

The criminals were fellow Aborigines in that particular tribe.

Rich and famous? I hardly think so.

lionnoisy SG

''QUEENSLAND'S judiciary is in crisis, struggling under an immense workload and a "mismanaged" Department of Public Prosecutions, according to the prosecutor at the centre of controversy in a Cape York rape case. ''
He JUST RESIGNED.

the most funny thing is the Judge follow what DPP requested.
Then why oz need judges?

If the poor fellow tells the truth,then his boss and the Judge need
go to u again.Why both departments make mistakes?

Like Chinese:Ice take more than 3 days become 3 feet.

Now we can hear the senior legal officer of Department of Public Prosecutions
says.He JUST RESIGNED.

...Handed the Aurukun gang rape file on October 17, three days before a court circuit of Cape York, he asked a superior "what about the penalty?".

"The response was given without hesitation: 'non-custodial'," Mr Carter said.

"If you are given instructions by a senior and if you don't obey them, then you are a rogue.

"I did what I was told, based on a superior's instructions."...

--www.news.com.au/couriermail, By Peter Michael,
January 06, 2008

JUDICIAL crisis . . . former far north Queensland prosecutor Steve Carter says he is the sacrifical lamb in the Aurkun rape case fallout.

QUEENSLAND'S judiciary is in crisis, struggling under an immense workload and a "mismanaged" Department of Public Prosecutions, according to the prosecutor at the centre of controversy in a Cape York rape case.

"It's not just my head that should be on the chopping block in Brisbane," Steve Carter told The Courier-Mail yesterday.

"They should be to blame for running such a dysfunctional working environment."

The former senior legal officer outlined a workload of about 200 files, working up to 30 hours unpaid overtime each month; up to six times the normal case load of a DPP legal officer.

Handed the Aurukun gang rape file on October 17, three days before a court circuit of Cape York, he asked a superior "what about the penalty?".

"The response was given without hesitation: 'non-custodial'," Mr Carter said.

"If you are given instructions by a senior and if you don't obey them, then you are a rogue.

"I did what I was told, based on a superior's instructions."

The so-called Aurukun Nine case was one of 27 matters dealt with by him in Aurukun, involving 32 defendants, out of a total of 67 matters during that Cape circuit.

When handed the file it had no Victim Impact Statement; no birth certificate search to clear up confusion over the victim's age; no observations sheet; no court file notes; no correspondence between police, defence or the DPP; and only a brief facts schedule under the copies of the indictment.

"I clearly recall my emotional reaction. I was white-hot with anger having been given 'this crap'. I was almost at my wits' end from tiredness, anger, frustration and a sense of despair that I had been left with this 'monster' to sort out."

He said the State Government - even before the disciplinary investigation had been launched and his show-cause notice issued - had committed to a course of action over his future employment prospects.

Mr Carter had been asked to respond to the show-cause notice by January 14. But his resignation on Friday means he won't have to answer to that notice.

"They needed someone to take the blame to cool the heat of the political outrage and lessen the temperature of the community backlash," he said.

"I'm the sacrificial lamb for the so-called separation of powers."

His resignation comes despite DPP director Leanne Clare praising his hard work and knowledge of indigenous affairs on the Cape as "excellent".

Three days before the story broke, in email correspondence obtained by The Courier-Mail, she heralded the work of the nine-year veteran of the Cape York and Torres Strait court circuit, saying: "I love your passion" and "no one knows this area better than you".

He said he had been unfairly painted as a "rogue, red-neck" prosecutor.

He said he did not blame his superiors for his plight because they operated under the same heavy workload and "vacuum" of information.

Ten people had quit and been replaced in 12 months in the Cairns DPP office alone, he said.

lionnoisy SG

9 men released after plead guilty gang raped aged 10 in 2007.

But more than 240 years in jail time handed out to nine men for gang rape in 2000 in Sydney!!

It need a PhD IQ to understand oz judiciary sys.

Justice or not depend on the absolute sentences handed down by Judage and the comparsions with similiar crimes.

Heu huys.Dunt say I am anti--Aussie,the then Oz PM also expressed angry on

9 men released aft plead guilty gang raped aged 10 .

2.How do feel when u read the old news:

The Sydney gang rapes were a series of gang rape attacks by a group of up to fourteen Lebanese Australian men led by Bilal Skaf, against White^[1] Australian girls, some as young as 14, in Sydney, Australia in 2000. The crimes - decried as ethnically motivated hate crimes by some commentators ^[2]^[3]^[4] - saw blanket media coverage, the passing of new laws, and more than 240 years in jail time handed out to nine men. In court transcripts, Judge Michael Finnane mused that the rapes were events "you hear about or read about only in the context of wartime atrocities".^[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

3.Released or jailed for 240 years!!

This is the justice in AUSTRALIA.

Zarks SG

let me guess, malaysia truly asia~

are u simply a simpleton or blind?

ITs in Australia...

Why blame Malaysia?

you're a moronic fucktard , u know that? Suits ur name.

huzane89 SG

though i find m'sia to be pathetic. It is to my knwledge that m'sian do give out HARSH punishments to rapist especially if there is a case like this... Even those who consented to pre-marital sex will be forced to marry and be trial and fined...

BangHong SG

They $50 dollars also don wan spend?

lionnoisy SG

i am a fair person.Pl look out for the Judge explanation later for this gang raoe case.She now get another case to answer:

In the latest uproar, Judge Bradley again faced criticism after she allowed Sydney-educated teacher James Last – who pleaded guilty to coercing a 11-year-old boy to perform oral sex on him – time to gather evidence that sex with young boys was part of "secret men's business" on Saibai Island in the Torres Strait.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23338569-3102,00.html

Peter Michael

March 07, 2008 11:00pm

BESIEGED north Queensland judge Sarah Bradley has broken her silence to reveal she "feels like a scapegoat" amid calls for her to be sacked over her handling of high-profile indigenous child-sex cases.

She sparked national outrage (lion note: read link below)when she decided not to jail nine young male rapists, saying the highly sexualised Aboriginal girl victim, who was 10, "probably agreed to sex".

In an unprecedented move, Attorney-General Kerry Shine took the case to the Court of Appeal late last year to review the judgment and ordered a top-level review by Peter Davis, SC, into child-sex sentencing on Cape York. Some indigenous leaders publicly called for Judge Bradley to be stood down.

"It feels like some sort of personal vendetta," Judge Bradley said.

The veteran of nine years on the tough Cape York District Court circuit politely declined to elaborate on her comments pending a decision by a Court of Appeal this month.

Mr Shine has vowed to release the confidential two-year review once its findings are handed down.

Yesterday, in the Cairns District Court, she ordered the former teacher be sentenced after two prominent anthropologists found no evidence to support his claims.

But Judge Bradley will not hand down the sentence on March 28. Fellow District Court judge Peter White will do so because Judge Bradley is due to be on leave.

Defence Barrister Kevin McCreanor told the court that Dr Richard Davis, of the University of Western Australia, and Dr Jeremy Becket, formerly of Sydney University, said such initiations did occur in tribes in the southern part of PNG. But he said they had no evidence it occurred on Saibai.

Outside court, Mr McCreanor endorsed Judge Bradley's decision to allow time to gather evidence. "She really had to give us that adjournment because, otherwise, it would have given us grounds for appeal," he said. "She acted properly, as any judge would."

He denied his client, now aged 61 and living in Darwin, was simply employing a "delaying tactic" by claiming sex with young boys was part of a traditional male initiation rite in the Torres Straits.

"Of course I can't imagine any current elders coming along saying it used to happen or still does," Mr McCreanor said.

Torres Strait leaders who contacted The Courier-Mail following the adjournment said the only "secret men's business" – or male initiation rites – involved hunting, fishing and deep-sea diving.

national outrage link

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22902849-952,00.html

Tony Keim, Margaret Wenham, Peter Michael

December 10, 2007

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