Is the pap really doing a bad job?

last SG · 2008-03-03T12:43:27+00:00

What for when you take the 5 C's with you.Condemn. Complain. Critisize. Curse. Conflict.

798 SG

How many is a lot?

I know for sure that more than half (likely to be much more) of the fresh uni engine grads will earn at least $3k monthly, from both NUS and NTU. That sums up to a few thousand pple.

Not to mention that the average monthly wage for SMU students for the previous batch was greater than $3k

u sure? most of EE fresh grad can only command as low as $2.3K. not to the one u mentioned.

try to ask this salary once u graduate n i bet dat no employers r willing to give.

798 SG

depends on whether u choose to see the good or the bad

but then, human is like tt one lah
oni see bad loh

u do 10 good things, ppl think is 理所当然
when u do 1 bad thing, ppl kpkb for 10 years

it's the same thing dat a old worker who claimed he served the company for 20 years but who care anyway?

once he made a mistake like corruption, do u think the company will still keep him?

bryanw SG

hi 798

eagle SG

u sure? most of EE fresh grad can only command as low as $2.3K. not to the one u mentioned.

try to ask this salary once u graduate n i bet dat no employers r willing to give.

I very sure, I'm in the graduating batch. 2nd lower and below, at least $2.8k for engineering companies.

silverng SG

Tens of thousands jobs were reported created last year, and it was declared most of the jobs went to Singaporeans. Recently it was declared 61% of the jobs created went to foreigners.

How is it that our citizens are not talented?

This 1 I agree with you. Too much jobs are given to those foreigners

798 SG

I very sure, I'm in the graduating batch. 2nd lower and below, at least $2.8k for engineering companies.

dun talk like u r very sure. i have the same thinking as u n right now i am still being jobless as no one is willingly to hire me as they feel $2.8K is just too much.

eagle SG

Sure? Any statistic to back you up? I am equally sure more than half of fresh uni grad earning less then 3k.

http://www.smu.edu.sg/news_room/press_releases/2007/20070312.asp

http://www.smu.edu.sg/news_room/smu_in_the_news/2007/sources/ST_20070313_1.pdf

http://www.accountancy.smu.edu.sg/news/pdf/today_20070522_3.pdf

http://www.gmprecruit.com/pdf/newsroom/07July_Theluckylotof2007.pdf

You will see it is near 3k.

For government job, the starting salary can be even higher. Even for MINDEF:
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2007/jun/26jun07_nr.html
Government jobs pay roughly the same for most agencies, so you can plus minus about 200 sgd from the above site.

Of course, if your degree is of 'just pass' type, and/or if your CCA records are virtually non-existent, and/or you are totally bad at interviews, then cannot help it if you get a lower paid job la.

bryanw SG

A few years back it was $1600-1800.

FTs are here to fill jobs that require experience and jobs that we lack talent in. They are not here to fight with fresh grads. A couple of years ago i remember someone kpkb about ang moh rig workers earning 10K+ even if they had no qualifications. Thing is these people risk their life/limbs working on the rigs for many many years, starting from the bottom..do we have people of their experience here or do we have students aispiring to be roustabouts on oil rigs and working their way up ?

i agree it was 1.6k to 1.8k few years back. some grads of this batch did contract jobs, temp jobs or had a day job and supplemented their income by giving tuition in the evenings. some employers are willing to pay more 4 this batch in current times due to their experience rather than pay more 4 fresh grads with no experience.

eagle SG

That's only what you feel from those surrounding you (depending on which industry you are in). Similarly, my view is from those around me.

I think its not fair for you to assume that FT is earning less than local and are more experience. Many FT around me are fresh too earning same as local.

Which means for all the opinions here, they are all from those surrounding them. Just how many?

I didn't say that FT is earning less than local -.-

eagle SG

dun talk like u r very sure. i have the same thinking as u n right now i am still being jobless as no one is willingly to hire me as they feel $2.8K is just too much.

let just say I have got a job with at least that amount, and I still feel that it is rather less after i see similar jobs offered by other companies and paying more. But no choice, I've a bond to serve.

kramnave SG

This 1 I agree with you. Too much jobs are given to those foreigners

How do you give away jobs ?

798 SG

http://www.smu.edu.sg/news_room/press_releases/2007/20070312.asp

http://www.smu.edu.sg/news_room/smu_in_the_news/2007/sources/ST_20070313_1.pdf

http://www.accountancy.smu.edu.sg/news/pdf/today_20070522_3.pdf

http://www.gmprecruit.com/pdf/newsroom/07July_Theluckylotof2007.pdf

You will see it is near 3k.

Of course, if your degree is of 'just pass' type, and/or if your CCA records are virtually non-existent, and/or you are totally bad at interviews, then cannot help it if you get a lower paid job la.

if u talk about civil servant sector, they will pay high obviously. but the salaries r differ according to what u majoring in.

all i can say is electronic field command a lot of pay comparing to others. but their knowledge in pcb n semi-conductor field must be very broad.

programmers command high salaries too but their work pressure is extreme.

n if u r majoring in power, ur salary will be less than 3K comparing to the one u mentioned.

i am afraid dat most graduates r boosting bout their pay for afraid of losing out to others. next time when u talk wif ur peer, u can questioning them about their pay slip when they start working.

eagle SG

if u talk about civil servant sector, they will pay high obviously. but the salaries r differ according to what u majoring in.

all i can say is electronic field command a lot of pay comparing to others. but their knowledge in pcb n semi-conductor field must be very broad.

programmers command high salaries too but their work pressure is extreme.

n if u r majoring in power, ur salary will be less than 3K comparing to the one u mentioned.

i am afraid dat most graduates r boosting bout their pay for afraid of losing out to others. next time when u talk wif ur peer, u can questioning them about their pay slip when they start working.

Already before working, I know at least 5 plus who have found a job commanding at least $500 a month more than me

798 SG

Already before working, I know at least 5 plus who have found a job commanding at least $500 a month more than me

did they show u their payslip?

so i see u r a bond scholar? elite i see? 前途无量~

eagle SG

did they show u their payslip?

so i see u r a bond scholar? elite i see? 前途无量~

It is on contract, that one will have to sign.

Bond so what, I already thinking of moving to another better paying company. There are many more out there.

A question for you, did you or did you not attend any career fair?

Caitaokue SG

Haven't you got the hint? The government want you to leave and work overseas. While the philippine and indonesia exports maid, singapore exports professionals. And they prefer you to work in China. We are trained right from kindergarden for China with our simplified chinese and added advantage of English. Why dialects were discouraged in Singapore, because they want you to focus on Mandrain and be good at it, so you are sellable to all parts of China instead of Guangzhou or Fujian.

I am already exported 10 years ago.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Why dialects were discouraged in Singapore, because they want you to focus on Mandrain and be good at it, so you are sellable to all parts of China instead of Guangzhou or Fujian.

They really destroyed our cultural identity with their destructive social engineering policies.

Since no more identity, people find it easier to leave the country.

Threat us as economic pawns and the country becomes lifeless and soulless.

I really despise the PAP regime for this.

This is the real motivation why I am against them, no democracy, lack of rights, propaganda media is only secondary.

Fuck you PAP, you reap what you sow.

baby hunter SG

I am already exported 10 years ago.

so....will you be re-import back again???

fishbuff SG

u all need to differentiate the old PAP and the new gang.

the old PAP members did alot for the nation building, whom i respected well.

the new gang just ride on the success of their predecessors and enjoy all the fruits of the past labour.

if the old PAP guards are still alive today, they will definitely kick the arrogant new lots out.

where's Raja, Ong Teng Cheong, Barker, Marshall etc when we need them the most???

Arena SG

they are serving the lord now...

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