Two men detained for planning acts of terror

last SG · 2008-01-25T15:11:15+00:00

why are some of them being released ? i think they should be life sentenced ..

ms_ok SG

Should the terrorists be released ? Or should they be life sentensed or death sentense for the safety of Singaporean?

Is very troubling of the tread of Self-redicalised Terrorist in Singapore !

http://news.asiaone.com/News/The%2BStraits%2BTimes/Story/A1Story20080125-46595.html

<Precious> SG

They should be banished to Pulau Senang where the RSAF conducts live bombing exercises! Very Happy

maurizio13 SG

They deserve a fair trial to prove if they are innocent, instead of just saying that they are terrorist and put them under ISA arrest.

ms_ok SG

Yes, I agree we should put them into a fair trial to prove their innocent.

However, the point is if they are proven to be guilty, should they be life sentensed or death sentensed ?

phil30k SG

I thought the Internal Security Act was a tool to control the domestic population from creating domestic unrest.

I am not condoning the act of the alledged terrorists, but if they are planning to create foreign unrest and not domestic unrest then it appears to me as an misuse of the ISA.

This sort of action by the Government may spur other suseptible minds to associate Singapore with the politics of the matter. That is not the message we should be encouraging. This type of association may direct efforts towards acts of terrorism against Singapore.

I think the Government should let it air itself out in Court to avoid the potential blowback.

phil30k SG

I don't think that is the point.

The point is how do we handle it in a manner that we don't become guilty by association.

happieman SG

So what do you suggest?

What do you meant by "let it air itself out in Court " ?

What should be done to those guility terrorists ?

happieman SG

What do you suggest then ?

LazerLordz SG

It is true..the new laws can be used to charge Singaporeans with a crime if they wish to foment terror acts abroad, in foreign countries targeting foreign governments too.

While terrorism is a nasty thing, there is a fine line to be drawn. Will Singaporeans be charged for instigating a coup or engaging in paramilitary action abroad against dictatorial regimes or terrorist-supporting states?

(Purely theoretical question which might cause a bit of a conundrum) Laughing

ispyyy SG

they should be trial according to the law lor

fishbuff SG

i advocate fair trial in an open court. if ISD can arrest them on the account of "terrorist suspicion" based on some hearsay, then ALL of us in this forumers that have been spewing anti-LKY and PAP messages are guilty of that.

remember the Marxist conspiracy in the 80s in spore poly? they arrest some students and a teacher with great suspicion and the newspapers back then had "MARXIST CONSPIRACY" splashed across the headline. are they really into overthrowing the govt? nobody know!

but then again, we don't have a free press and the culture is to obey and not to question.

ahtansh SG

How cumm Sinkapore going into Pre-Crime? Those guys have not done any wrong things yet right? Since when aquiring new skill is a devil in the making?

BillyBong SG

Agree. Under attenuating circumstances, the ISA can be used to seize dangerous individuals, but a follow-up court hearing will provide clarity on the incident, and hopefully dispel the fears that our govt abuses the ISA for political gains.

happieman SG

you have missed the point.

the point is of these ppl have proven guilty in court, should they be life sentence/death sentence ? Not on ISA

SevenEleven SG

they should be detained however there is a need to show proof of such act otherwise it can be used as a mean to rid of political threat

de_middle SG

go to poyan demolition range more shiok, make them stand infront of ADM Laughing

phil30k SG

New laws? what new laws?

phil30k SG

I understand you are asking what the punishment should be?

Well if they were arrested under the ISA provisions, their punishment would be according to the ISA provisions as well.

LazerLordz SG

TERRORISM (SUPPRESSION OF BOMBINGS) ACT 2007

"Extra-territoriality
7. Every person who, outside Singapore, commits an act or omission that, if committed in Singapore, would constitute a terrorist bombing offence is deemed to commit the act or omission in Singapore and may be proceeded against, charged, tried and punished accordingly."

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_legdisp.pl?actno=2007-ACT-50-N&doctitle=TERRORISM%20%28SUPPRESSION%20OF%20BOMBINGS%29%20ACT%202007%0a&date=latest&method=part&sl=1

It is an interesting law with potential extra-territorial jurisdiction. Perhaps it might be symbolic, and that itself is a positive thing for our security. However, like any law, it needs some checks and balances.

Here comes the theoretical limitations of this law, when taken into context an act of "terror" defined by us, but is deemed not illegal in a foreign land, committed by a Singaporean. If Singapore has good relations with that state, which could be a pariah state, the complexities grow. (Good thing we don't have PMCs running around eh :lol Smile

All in all, it is interesting to see more extra-territorial legislation being passed in Singapore, the other one being an amendment to the Drugs Misuse Act. Wink And I think this is one particular Act that no one would really oppose.

(Pardon me and the wall of text, this just piqued my academic curiosity) Laughing

maurizio13 SG

In other countries, terrorist are put to trial to let the courts decide if they are truly guilty.

I am not opposed to a life sentence in prison, but I am against death penalty. If a person is a danger to the public, then all that's called for is for the government to separate them from the public. But death penalty is an easy way out as opposed to building more prisons to house them permanently; as if Singapore hasn't got an over abundance of prison already.